mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

nixluva wrote:It sounded to me like Larry was trying to say more Blacks needed to OWN teams and thus have more power and control over conditions and treatment. I doubt that he was calling for simply a league with just black players. No one is that stupid. He just did a bad job of expressing what he was trying to say I think.

Race is always a touchy subject. It may sound crazy but back when segregation forced Blacks to own their own businesses in every area, they were doing very well. Just look at how things turned out in Tulsa and what they called "Black Wall Street".
The Dollar turned over within that Black community more than 6 times before leaving the community. They had professionals of all kinds, owned hotels, movie theaters, Air Planes!!! It was of course destroyed by racist Whites but it was a very successful community that was built on self reliance. Every since then Blacks have scratched out a very tough life at the bottom of just about every metric of American Society. If you don't know go look up "Black Wall Street".

I feel like I knew what he was trying to say and if that were the case, I'd agree with him. Black people need to do a better job of building wealth and in keeping as much of it as possible within our communities. There is so much talent that exists and has existed, yet others have been the ones who have profiteered from it.

I remember reading a statistic that articulated for every dollar spent by an African American, only $0.10 remains in the hands of another African American. Meanwhile, for every dollar a Jew spends, $0.70 remains in the hands of another Jew. That has to be the model we follow as a fellow minority and the only way to accomplish that is to build a better business infrastructure that is also more mainstream. Money talks and is exactly why narratives develop of us that are often adversarial and antagonistic. For example, when Blacks access social programs, they are perceived as "takers", "lazy", etc. AUIPAC lobbies our government to send billions of dollars to Isreal, the most of any country, and all they are are "God's people" and "loyal friends" who share a mutual interest with our great nation. The point is that making money in the right industries is key to all of this.

Back to Larry, he needs to realize that he's in a public forum and express himself accordingly. I'm sure he's going to have to issue an apology and he better articulate himself in it.

so america is to pro jewish and jews don't share their money with non jews?

Not at all; you missed the point. What I am saying is that money in the right places gets to shape narrative. You don't find it interesting that certain Republicans are incredibly xenophobic and outright racist, yet they constantly pledge unwavering support to Isreal, a concern for many Jewish Americans? You don't think it's interesting that many of those same Republicans get their funding from men like Sheldon Adelson? Just a few weeks ago, almost every prospective Republican presidential candidate flew out to meet with Adelson and express their support for everything he's interested in. Hell of a coincidence don't you think? And it isn't on just one side because Democrats have their George Soros' as well.

The fact is that I admire the way that Jews, as a minority, are able to shape their own destiny. In an economic sense, it is something that I'd like to see other minorities adopt.

actofgod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

nixluva wrote:It sounded to me like Larry was trying to say more Blacks needed to OWN teams and thus have more power and control over conditions and treatment. I doubt that he was calling for simply a league with just black players. No one is that stupid. He just did a bad job of expressing what he was trying to say I think.

Race is always a touchy subject. It may sound crazy but back when segregation forced Blacks to own their own businesses in every area, they were doing very well. Just look at how things turned out in Tulsa and what they called "Black Wall Street".
The Dollar turned over within that Black community more than 6 times before leaving the community. They had professionals of all kinds, owned hotels, movie theaters, Air Planes!!! It was of course destroyed by racist Whites but it was a very successful community that was built on self reliance. Every since then Blacks have scratched out a very tough life at the bottom of just about every metric of American Society. If you don't know go look up "Black Wall Street".

I feel like I knew what he was trying to say and if that were the case, I'd agree with him. Black people need to do a better job of building wealth and in keeping as much of it as possible within our communities. There is so much talent that exists and has existed, yet others have been the ones who have profiteered from it.

I remember reading a statistic that articulated for every dollar spent by an African American, only $0.10 remains in the hands of another African American. Meanwhile, for every dollar a Jew spends, $0.70 remains in the hands of another Jew. That has to be the model we follow as a fellow minority and the only way to accomplish that is to build a better business infrastructure that is also more mainstream. Money talks and is exactly why narratives develop of us that are often adversarial and antagonistic. For example, when Blacks access social programs, they are perceived as "takers", "lazy", etc. AUIPAC lobbies our government to send billions of dollars to Isreal, the most of any country, and all they are are "God's people" and "loyal friends" who share a mutual interest with our great nation. The point is that making money in the right industries is key to all of this.

Back to Larry, he needs to realize that he's in a public forum and express himself accordingly. I'm sure he's going to have to issue an apology and he needs to better articulate himself in it.

Go get those Jews! lol, your post is borderline anti-semetic.

As for LJ's comments, I don't know if self-segregation or separatism is really going to help race relations

Why is it anti-semetic? Because I had the audacity to mention the word "Jews"? My ire isn't directed at them; it is directed at our system.

NardDogNation wrote:

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

nixluva wrote:It sounded to me like Larry was trying to say more Blacks needed to OWN teams and thus have more power and control over conditions and treatment. I doubt that he was calling for simply a league with just black players. No one is that stupid. He just did a bad job of expressing what he was trying to say I think.

Race is always a touchy subject. It may sound crazy but back when segregation forced Blacks to own their own businesses in every area, they were doing very well. Just look at how things turned out in Tulsa and what they called "Black Wall Street".
The Dollar turned over within that Black community more than 6 times before leaving the community. They had professionals of all kinds, owned hotels, movie theaters, Air Planes!!! It was of course destroyed by racist Whites but it was a very successful community that was built on self reliance. Every since then Blacks have scratched out a very tough life at the bottom of just about every metric of American Society. If you don't know go look up "Black Wall Street".

I feel like I knew what he was trying to say and if that were the case, I'd agree with him. Black people need to do a better job of building wealth and in keeping as much of it as possible within our communities. There is so much talent that exists and has existed, yet others have been the ones who have profiteered from it.

I remember reading a statistic that articulated for every dollar spent by an African American, only $0.10 remains in the hands of another African American. Meanwhile, for every dollar a Jew spends, $0.70 remains in the hands of another Jew. That has to be the model we follow as a fellow minority and the only way to accomplish that is to build a better business infrastructure that is also more mainstream. Money talks and is exactly why narratives develop of us that are often adversarial and antagonistic. For example, when Blacks access social programs, they are perceived as "takers", "lazy", etc. AUIPAC lobbies our government to send billions of dollars to Isreal, the most of any country, and all they are are "God's people" and "loyal friends" who share a mutual interest with our great nation. The point is that making money in the right industries is key to all of this.

Back to Larry, he needs to realize that he's in a public forum and express himself accordingly. I'm sure he's going to have to issue an apology and he better articulate himself in it.

so america is to pro jewish and jews don't share their money with non jews?

Not at all; you missed the point. What I am saying is that money in the right places gets to shape narrative. You don't find it interesting that certain Republicans are incredibly xenophobic and outright racist, yet they constantly pledge unwavering support to Isreal, a concern for many Jewish Americans? You don't think it's interesting that many of those same Republicans get their funding from men like Sheldon Adelson? Just a few weeks ago, almost every prospective Republican presidential candidate flew out to meet with Adelson and express their support for everything he's interested in. Hell of a coincidence don't you think? And it isn't on just one side because Democrats have their George Soros' as well.

The fact is that I admire the way that Jews, as a minority, are able to shape their own destiny. In an economic sense, it is something that I'd like to see other minorities adopt.

Richard Nixon was a known anti semite yet he bailed israel out in the 6 day war. Why? Because Israel was and is a strategic democratic ally in the middle east with (arguably) the best air force in the world. Nixon was strong on foreign policy and he made a calculated move.

Republicans in general earmark boat loads of money in defense spending and Israel's well being is part of that policy.

Of course there are super lobbyist who can affect policy but there are many lobbies and that is part of our democracy.

The US has israel doing lots of dirty work since they cannot officially sanction them.

As far as money staying in the jewish circle, jews don't trust outsiders very much due to their history of persecution so they choose to keep it in house and do business with other jews.

Knicks22 wrote:the apologists on this thread for LJ's comments disappointing.
They are racist and promote seperatism. If a white ex player used similar language, with white not black, they'd be universal condemnation.

nixluva wrote:WTF are u guys talking about? It's already established that whites own more business and have built in advantages in every facet of society. Don't make me get into all the details of how badly whites have wronged minorities in this country from the very beginning up until this very day.

Who is saying that whites have not wronged minorities?

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

nixluva wrote:It sounded to me like Larry was trying to say more Blacks needed to OWN teams and thus have more power and control over conditions and treatment. I doubt that he was calling for simply a league with just black players. No one is that stupid. He just did a bad job of expressing what he was trying to say I think.

Race is always a touchy subject. It may sound crazy but back when segregation forced Blacks to own their own businesses in every area, they were doing very well. Just look at how things turned out in Tulsa and what they called "Black Wall Street".
The Dollar turned over within that Black community more than 6 times before leaving the community. They had professionals of all kinds, owned hotels, movie theaters, Air Planes!!! It was of course destroyed by racist Whites but it was a very successful community that was built on self reliance. Every since then Blacks have scratched out a very tough life at the bottom of just about every metric of American Society. If you don't know go look up "Black Wall Street".

I feel like I knew what he was trying to say and if that were the case, I'd agree with him. Black people need to do a better job of building wealth and in keeping as much of it as possible within our communities. There is so much talent that exists and has existed, yet others have been the ones who have profiteered from it.

I remember reading a statistic that articulated for every dollar spent by an African American, only $0.10 remains in the hands of another African American. Meanwhile, for every dollar a Jew spends, $0.70 remains in the hands of another Jew. That has to be the model we follow as a fellow minority and the only way to accomplish that is to build a better business infrastructure that is also more mainstream. Money talks and is exactly why narratives develop of us that are often adversarial and antagonistic. For example, when Blacks access social programs, they are perceived as "takers", "lazy", etc. AUIPAC lobbies our government to send billions of dollars to Isreal, the most of any country, and all they are are "God's people" and "loyal friends" who share a mutual interest with our great nation. The point is that making money in the right industries is key to all of this.

Back to Larry, he needs to realize that he's in a public forum and express himself accordingly. I'm sure he's going to have to issue an apology and he better articulate himself in it.

so america is to pro jewish and jews don't share their money with non jews?

Not at all; you missed the point. What I am saying is that money in the right places gets to shape narrative. You don't find it interesting that certain Republicans are incredibly xenophobic and outright racist, yet they constantly pledge unwavering support to Isreal, a concern for many Jewish Americans? You don't think it's interesting that many of those same Republicans get their funding from men like Sheldon Adelson? Just a few weeks ago, almost every prospective Republican presidential candidate flew out to meet with Adelson and express their support for everything he's interested in. Hell of a coincidence don't you think? And it isn't on just one side because Democrats have their George Soros' as well.

The fact is that I admire the way that Jews, as a minority, are able to shape their own destiny. In an economic sense, it is something that I'd like to see other minorities adopt.

Richard Nixon was a known anti semite yet he bailed israel out in the 6 day war. Why? Because Israel was and is a strategic democratic ally in the middle east with (arguably) the best air force in the world. Nixon was strong on foreign policy and he made a calculated move.

Republicans in general earmark boat loads of money in defense spending and Israel's well being is part of that policy.

Of course there are super lobbyist who can affect policy but there are many lobbies and that is part of our democracy.

The US has israel doing lots of dirty work since they cannot officially sanction them.

As far as money staying in the jewish circle, jews don't trust outsiders very much due to their history of persecution so they choose to keep it in house and do business with other jews.

I think the "strategic importance" argument is overstated. In a world where aircraft carriers and aerial refueling exists, there is no need to be allies with a country, just to utilize their airbases or air force, especially when you consider that it is composed of weapons produced and subsidized by the American government (see the F-15, F-16 and even F-35's I think). Our military has been flying sortee's around the world in this fashion since the 50's with the U-2's and Sr-71 Blackbirds, which has how Francis Gary Power's got shot down in '61. Hell, even during Desert Storm we had F-117's flying from bases in Germany all the way to Iraq and if I'm not mistaken, B-52's from Japan to Afghanistan.

And from a geopolitical perspective, the U.S. have working relations with several Middle Eastern powerhouses in the region including Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt (I still think it is the case), UAE and potentially Iraq if the Kurd's and Sunni solidify their power over there. So I don't think that Isreal is some last bastion of hope for us over there. If anything, our alliance with them seems to be pissing off a lot of people more than it is helping us make any in-roads in the region. I think the more likely reason why we support them is because men like Sheldon Adelson and loopy Christian zealots have an emotionally vested interest in the land/people and are willing to spend billions and their political capital in protecting it; that and as you said, the military industrial complex is a trillion dollar industry.

Money speaks louder than anything in politics, which is why the candidate who raises the most money, wins his/her race more than 90% of the time. And politics shape narrative.

NardDogNation wrote:

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

nixluva wrote:It sounded to me like Larry was trying to say more Blacks needed to OWN teams and thus have more power and control over conditions and treatment. I doubt that he was calling for simply a league with just black players. No one is that stupid. He just did a bad job of expressing what he was trying to say I think.

Race is always a touchy subject. It may sound crazy but back when segregation forced Blacks to own their own businesses in every area, they were doing very well. Just look at how things turned out in Tulsa and what they called "Black Wall Street".
The Dollar turned over within that Black community more than 6 times before leaving the community. They had professionals of all kinds, owned hotels, movie theaters, Air Planes!!! It was of course destroyed by racist Whites but it was a very successful community that was built on self reliance. Every since then Blacks have scratched out a very tough life at the bottom of just about every metric of American Society. If you don't know go look up "Black Wall Street".

I feel like I knew what he was trying to say and if that were the case, I'd agree with him. Black people need to do a better job of building wealth and in keeping as much of it as possible within our communities. There is so much talent that exists and has existed, yet others have been the ones who have profiteered from it.

I remember reading a statistic that articulated for every dollar spent by an African American, only $0.10 remains in the hands of another African American. Meanwhile, for every dollar a Jew spends, $0.70 remains in the hands of another Jew. That has to be the model we follow as a fellow minority and the only way to accomplish that is to build a better business infrastructure that is also more mainstream. Money talks and is exactly why narratives develop of us that are often adversarial and antagonistic. For example, when Blacks access social programs, they are perceived as "takers", "lazy", etc. AUIPAC lobbies our government to send billions of dollars to Isreal, the most of any country, and all they are are "God's people" and "loyal friends" who share a mutual interest with our great nation. The point is that making money in the right industries is key to all of this.

Back to Larry, he needs to realize that he's in a public forum and express himself accordingly. I'm sure he's going to have to issue an apology and he better articulate himself in it.

so america is to pro jewish and jews don't share their money with non jews?

Not at all; you missed the point. What I am saying is that money in the right places gets to shape narrative. You don't find it interesting that certain Republicans are incredibly xenophobic and outright racist, yet they constantly pledge unwavering support to Isreal, a concern for many Jewish Americans? You don't think it's interesting that many of those same Republicans get their funding from men like Sheldon Adelson? Just a few weeks ago, almost every prospective Republican presidential candidate flew out to meet with Adelson and express their support for everything he's interested in. Hell of a coincidence don't you think? And it isn't on just one side because Democrats have their George Soros' as well.

The fact is that I admire the way that Jews, as a minority, are able to shape their own destiny. In an economic sense, it is something that I'd like to see other minorities adopt.

Richard Nixon was a known anti semite yet he bailed israel out in the 6 day war. Why? Because Israel was and is a strategic democratic ally in the middle east with (arguably) the best air force in the world. Nixon was strong on foreign policy and he made a calculated move.

Republicans in general earmark boat loads of money in defense spending and Israel's well being is part of that policy.

Of course there are super lobbyist who can affect policy but there are many lobbies and that is part of our democracy.

The US has israel doing lots of dirty work since they cannot officially sanction them.

As far as money staying in the jewish circle, jews don't trust outsiders very much due to their history of persecution so they choose to keep it in house and do business with other jews.

I think the "strategic importance" argument is overstated. In a world where aircraft carriers and aerial refueling exists, there is no need to be allies with a country, just to utilize their airbases or air force, especially when you consider that it is composed of weapons produced and subsidized by the American government (see the F-15, F-16 and even F-35's I think). Our military has been flying sortee's around the world in this fashion since the 50's with the U-2's and Sr-71 Blackbirds, which has how Francis Gary Power's got shot down in '61. And from a geopolitical perspective, the U.S. have working relations with several Middle Eastern powerhouses in the region including Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt (I still think it is the case), UAE and potentially Iraq if the Kurd's and Sunni solidify their power over there. So I don't think that Isreal is some last bastion of hope for us over there. If anything, our alliance with them seems to be pissing off a lot of people over there more than it is helping us make any in-roads in the region. I think the more likely reason why we support them is because men like Sheldon Adelson and loopy Christian zealots have an emotionally vested interest in the land and are willing to spend billions and their political capital in protecting it; that and as you said, the military industrial complex is a trillion dollar industry.

It was much more important during the cold war but they still obviously find it extremely important.

Who is going to bomb Iran and/or Syria's nuclear sites for the US? Jordan? Egypt?

Israel is basically the US army, navy and air force and spy agencies in the middle east. In many ways its far more (geographically) important than the US military.

Republicans spend on military and they see israel as an arm. This has been the case before Adelson was a lobbyist.

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

mreinman wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

nixluva wrote:It sounded to me like Larry was trying to say more Blacks needed to OWN teams and thus have more power and control over conditions and treatment. I doubt that he was calling for simply a league with just black players. No one is that stupid. He just did a bad job of expressing what he was trying to say I think.

Race is always a touchy subject. It may sound crazy but back when segregation forced Blacks to own their own businesses in every area, they were doing very well. Just look at how things turned out in Tulsa and what they called "Black Wall Street".
The Dollar turned over within that Black community more than 6 times before leaving the community. They had professionals of all kinds, owned hotels, movie theaters, Air Planes!!! It was of course destroyed by racist Whites but it was a very successful community that was built on self reliance. Every since then Blacks have scratched out a very tough life at the bottom of just about every metric of American Society. If you don't know go look up "Black Wall Street".

I feel like I knew what he was trying to say and if that were the case, I'd agree with him. Black people need to do a better job of building wealth and in keeping as much of it as possible within our communities. There is so much talent that exists and has existed, yet others have been the ones who have profiteered from it.

I remember reading a statistic that articulated for every dollar spent by an African American, only $0.10 remains in the hands of another African American. Meanwhile, for every dollar a Jew spends, $0.70 remains in the hands of another Jew. That has to be the model we follow as a fellow minority and the only way to accomplish that is to build a better business infrastructure that is also more mainstream. Money talks and is exactly why narratives develop of us that are often adversarial and antagonistic. For example, when Blacks access social programs, they are perceived as "takers", "lazy", etc. AUIPAC lobbies our government to send billions of dollars to Isreal, the most of any country, and all they are are "God's people" and "loyal friends" who share a mutual interest with our great nation. The point is that making money in the right industries is key to all of this.

Back to Larry, he needs to realize that he's in a public forum and express himself accordingly. I'm sure he's going to have to issue an apology and he better articulate himself in it.

so america is to pro jewish and jews don't share their money with non jews?

Not at all; you missed the point. What I am saying is that money in the right places gets to shape narrative. You don't find it interesting that certain Republicans are incredibly xenophobic and outright racist, yet they constantly pledge unwavering support to Isreal, a concern for many Jewish Americans? You don't think it's interesting that many of those same Republicans get their funding from men like Sheldon Adelson? Just a few weeks ago, almost every prospective Republican presidential candidate flew out to meet with Adelson and express their support for everything he's interested in. Hell of a coincidence don't you think? And it isn't on just one side because Democrats have their George Soros' as well.

The fact is that I admire the way that Jews, as a minority, are able to shape their own destiny. In an economic sense, it is something that I'd like to see other minorities adopt.

Richard Nixon was a known anti semite yet he bailed israel out in the 6 day war. Why? Because Israel was and is a strategic democratic ally in the middle east with (arguably) the best air force in the world. Nixon was strong on foreign policy and he made a calculated move.

Republicans in general earmark boat loads of money in defense spending and Israel's well being is part of that policy.

Of course there are super lobbyist who can affect policy but there are many lobbies and that is part of our democracy.

The US has israel doing lots of dirty work since they cannot officially sanction them.

As far as money staying in the jewish circle, jews don't trust outsiders very much due to their history of persecution so they choose to keep it in house and do business with other jews.

I think the "strategic importance" argument is overstated. In a world where aircraft carriers and aerial refueling exists, there is no need to be allies with a country, just to utilize their airbases or air force, especially when you consider that it is composed of weapons produced and subsidized by the American government (see the F-15, F-16 and even F-35's I think). Our military has been flying sortee's around the world in this fashion since the 50's with the U-2's and Sr-71 Blackbirds, which has how Francis Gary Power's got shot down in '61. And from a geopolitical perspective, the U.S. have working relations with several Middle Eastern powerhouses in the region including Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt (I still think it is the case), UAE and potentially Iraq if the Kurd's and Sunni solidify their power over there. So I don't think that Isreal is some last bastion of hope for us over there. If anything, our alliance with them seems to be pissing off a lot of people over there more than it is helping us make any in-roads in the region. I think the more likely reason why we support them is because men like Sheldon Adelson and loopy Christian zealots have an emotionally vested interest in the land and are willing to spend billions and their political capital in protecting it; that and as you said, the military industrial complex is a trillion dollar industry.

It was much more important during the cold war but they still obviously find it extremely important.

Who is going to bomb Iran and/or Syria's nuclear sites for the US? Jordan? Egypt?

Israel is basically the US army, navy and air force and spy agencies in the middle east. In many ways its far more (geographically) important than the US military.

Republicans spend on military and they see israel as an arm. This has been the case before Adelson was a lobbyist.

The same people who have bombed iraq (twice), Afghanistan, Korea, Vietnam/indo-China, Grenada, much of Western Europe during WWII, Japan, etc. The United States military. We didn't need any real help to do any of that and I highly doubt we need Isreal's help to do that in the Middle East. I already pointed out that logistically, we don't need their airbases/air force. During Desert Storm we purposely did not launch attacks from Isreal to avoid inflamming the Middle East. I'm almost certain that was the case in Iraqi Freedom and Afghanistan. In fact, I read that we were operating out of bases in Germany and Afghanistan before capturing bases within these respective countries.

BRIGGS wrote:Come on Larry--you sound like Donald Sterling's cousin.

Papabear Says

Maybe Larry J may have the funny feeling that his job may be ending soon. Larry should not have said that.

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

My opinion on Sterling is at least we all know where he stand regarding minorities. Our biggest fear should be all those people out there who are racists who are trying to take back our voting rights and keeping us unemployed.(the Kock Brothers) Let's face it the reason why they are banning affirmative action is because companies won't be forced to hire blacks and believe me a lot of them won't. We are not yet in a place where we have an equal chance for a job yet. We are not there. It's sad but true.

Exactly. People look at Affirmative Action as a race-based provision when it really is just a sliver of the law. Affirmative Action accounts for your socioeconomic status, gender, religion, nation origin, etc. And yet, the only element that troubles certain people is the race portion of it. Now, I wonder why that is....

NardDogNation wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

My opinion on Sterling is at least we all know where he stand regarding minorities. Our biggest fear should be all those people out there who are racists who are trying to take back our voting rights and keeping us unemployed.(the Kock Brothers) Let's face it the reason why they are banning affirmative action is because companies won't be forced to hire blacks and believe me a lot of them won't. We are not yet in a place where we have an equal chance for a job yet. We are not there. It's sad but true.

Exactly. People look at Affirmative Action as a race-based provision when it really is just a sliver of the law. Affirmative Action accounts for your socioeconomic status, gender, religion, nation origin, etc. And yet, the only element that troubles certain people is the race portion of it. Now, I wonder why that is....