The only reason to trade Melo is for more flexibility to get better. Trading Melo for 2-3 young starting pieces makes us more flexible. I.e. Lin, Asik, Parsons. What that does is gives usplayable starters to be competetive, but it also brakes up the large salary into more tradable assets that would allow us to make tweaks and improvements.

Dagger wrote:

mreinman wrote:Seriously?

No way in bloody hell that Houston makes that move. Morey is not retarded, he is quite smart.

I do predict many pages in this thread though

The only advantage harden has over melo is that he's younger. I think it's a pretty neutral trade for both sides.

Much younger, much cheaper, much more efficient, and better player (IMHO).

His playoff numbers in Houston is a bit concerning as Melo's playoff numbers are with the knicks.

gunsnewing wrote:

VDesai wrote:You cannot trade Melo like for like. When you trade Melo for another Superstar, you will just be in the same position you were before- where you have no flexibility to improve around that superstar- in this case Harden.

The only reason to trade Melo is for more flexibility to get better. Trading Melo for 2-3 young starting pieces makes us more flexible. I.e. Lin, Asik, Parsons. What that does is gives usplayable starters to be competetive, but it also brakes up the large salary into more tradable assets that would allow us to make tweaks and improvements.

He makes $14m
Melo makes $23m

Gives you less assets back- would you rather Lin+Asik+Parsons or Harden+Asik or Harden+Lin
And also one would think the Rockets would prefer to keep Harden and trade the others for the chance at their own Big 3 of Melo, Harden and Dwight.

VDesai wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

VDesai wrote:You cannot trade Melo like for like. When you trade Melo for another Superstar, you will just be in the same position you were before- where you have no flexibility to improve around that superstar- in this case Harden.

The only reason to trade Melo is for more flexibility to get better. Trading Melo for 2-3 young starting pieces makes us more flexible. I.e. Lin, Asik, Parsons. What that does is gives usplayable starters to be competetive, but it also brakes up the large salary into more tradable assets that would allow us to make tweaks and improvements.

He makes $14m
Melo makes $23m

Gives you less assets back- would you rather Lin+Asik+Parsons or Harden+Asik or Harden+Lin
And also one would think the Rockets would prefer to keep Harden and trade the others for the chance at their own Big 3 of Melo, Harden and Dwight.

Absolutely rather have parsons Lin picks etc

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:have you watched Harden in the playoffs? Boy you guys think Melo chucks... yikes

We gotta stop the Eye tests and start checking stats.

Harden's playoff TS = 58.5!

Melos = 51.3

McHale is really doing a bad job with him. He needs to use him more effectively off the ball. And, as smart as Morey is, he gave away 2 great PG who are so desperately needed right now.

Most of that's from playing with Durant and Westbrook- if Melo played with Durant and Westbrook, he'd have a higher TS %. that's the thing with stats, it ignores context.

gunsnewing wrote:

VDesai wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

VDesai wrote:You cannot trade Melo like for like. When you trade Melo for another Superstar, you will just be in the same position you were before- where you have no flexibility to improve around that superstar- in this case Harden.

The only reason to trade Melo is for more flexibility to get better. Trading Melo for 2-3 young starting pieces makes us more flexible. I.e. Lin, Asik, Parsons. What that does is gives usplayable starters to be competetive, but it also brakes up the large salary into more tradable assets that would allow us to make tweaks and improvements.

He makes $14m
Melo makes $23m

Gives you less assets back- would you rather Lin+Asik+Parsons or Harden+Asik or Harden+Lin
And also one would think the Rockets would prefer to keep Harden and trade the others for the chance at their own Big 3 of Melo, Harden and Dwight.

Absolutely rather have parsons Lin picks etc

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:have you watched Harden in the playoffs? Boy you guys think Melo chucks... yikes

We gotta stop the Eye tests and start checking stats.

Harden's playoff TS = 58.5!

Melos = 51.3

McHale is really doing a bad job with him. He needs to use him more effectively off the ball. And, as smart as Morey is, he gave away 2 great PG who are so desperately needed right now.

Yeah, I cited FG% for simplicity but it's obviously a flawed stat. I do have some concerns about Harden but he's only paid $16 mil per and he's an excellent player overall.

Not sure what you were commenting on (bolded).

Harden is making 13.7.

Bold = my earlier reply to Fish
$16 mil = my recollection (which could be wrong) of the average per year for his contract

this year its 13.7 but you are right. he signed a sweet 5 year 80 million. The 5 year limit really saves us from hurting ourselves worse, thank heaven for that part of the CBA.

gunsnewing wrote:Then lock up Lin at a reasonable number

Is Lin really a good match for the triangle, though? I don't think he is.

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:have you watched Harden in the playoffs? Boy you guys think Melo chucks... yikes

We gotta stop the Eye tests and start checking stats.

Harden's playoff TS = 58.5!

Melos = 51.3

McHale is really doing a bad job with him. He needs to use him more effectively off the ball. And, as smart as Morey is, he gave away 2 great PG who are so desperately needed right now.

Im sorry... I was talking about the advanced stat that has the Rockets down 0-2 where Harden shot 6-19 and 8-28. Dude shot 3-14 from 3 point. Maybe you really just want to watch more JR Smith? Do you not watch basketball?

6-19 and 8-28 are ok in advanced stat world...That stat don't really count, ancient, used by native Americans...He hit free throws, how could u miss that..

Seriously? Is that really your argument (or lack thereof)? What is that?

Should Melo be judge on his 33-99 against the clippers (a worse team) in 2006?

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:have you watched Harden in the playoffs? Boy you guys think Melo chucks... yikes

We gotta stop the Eye tests and start checking stats.

Harden's playoff TS = 58.5!

Melos = 51.3

McHale is really doing a bad job with him. He needs to use him more effectively off the ball. And, as smart as Morey is, he gave away 2 great PG who are so desperately needed right now.

Im sorry... I was talking about the advanced stat that has the Rockets down 0-2 where Harden shot 6-19 and 8-28. Dude shot 3-14 from 3 point. Maybe you really just want to watch more JR Smith? Do you not watch basketball?

6-19 and 8-28 are ok in advanced stat world...That stat don't really count, ancient, used by native Americans...He hit free throws, how could u miss that..

Seriously? Is that really your argument (or lack thereof)? What is that?

Should Melo be judge on his 32-105 against the clippers (a worse team) in 2006?