newyorknewyork wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:He may still add Harper to the staff

Derek Fisher is also possible candidate to join the staff after he retires this season.

Yup I'm ok with any of those 3. Whoever Phil thinks is right. Cleamons and Rambis as assistants. I don't want treads because players won't respect them. Better to hire a young unknown than a retread IMO

holfresh wrote:Apparently Phil tried to sack the medical staff and Doaln said no....So said SAS..

Ha, now you know its not true- our medical staff are crap!

“The triangle is really good for the final four minutes,” Harper said. “They lost a lot of close games where you’d say: ‘What was that play called?’

How many times did we come out of timeouts looking lost? It was a terrible year for Woody and he knew he deserved to be fired. It was cute how he said "its all on me" but the bottom line is THIS was the year we needed a good coach. After MDA got canned Melo goes unconscience, wins POTM ad Knicks finish 18-6. Last year Kidd started at an incredible pace, and the JR came on as 6MOY, other vets like Kurt and Sheed chipped in during key times and Melo was 3rd in MVP voting.

This was the year of disarray, of new guys needing to get into the mix, of adversity and while Mike is a good guy and I wish him well what did our coaching staff to do stabilize this ship? Play Melo 40 minutes... aside from that what?

On the friction between Phil and Dolan over firings... thats a positive. Anytime you ax someone there should be big pressure and checks and balances. These are people's lives and the high turnover rate in recend years speaks volumes of the poor culture. Dolan should fight for his guys. I have no problem with this. Phil should get his way... but Im ok w/ Dolan's lack of love for guys being chopped.

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:A few points...

“The triangle is really good for the final four minutes,” Harper said. “They lost a lot of close games where you’d say: ‘What was that play called?’

This is why despite winning 54 games last year and the hot start after MDA got fired that Woodson is a bad coach. When your on the sidelines you see things you dont catch while you play. Most NBA action is in the flow of the game. Its why EVERY GM relies evaluating talent with the eye over advanced stats and metrics. All that being said there are times you need a tactical brain... someone who can see whats happeing and put the players in a position to succeed. In the NFL coaches manage this every down. In the NBA you get a play out of timeouts and thats about it.

How many times did we come out of timeouts looking lost? It was a terrible year for Woody and he knew he deserved to be fired. It was cute how he said "its all on me" but the bottom line is THIS was the year we needed a good coach. After MDA got canned Melo goes unconscience, wins POTM ad Knicks finish 18-6. Last year Kidd started at an incredible pace, and the JR came on as 6MOY, other vets like Kurt and Sheed chipped in during key times and Melo was 3rd in MVP voting.

This was the year of disarray, of new guys needing to get into the mix, of adversity and while Mike is a good guy and I wish him well what did our coaching staff to do stabilize this ship? Play Melo 40 minutes... aside from that what?

On the friction between Phil and Dolan over firings... thats a positive. Anytime you ax someone there should be big pressure and checks and balances. These are people's lives and the high turnover rate in recend years speaks volumes of the poor culture. Dolan should fight for his guys. I have no problem with this. Phil should get his way... but Im ok w/ Dolan's lack of love for guys being chopped.

Its why EVERY GM relies evaluating talent with the eye over advanced stats and metrics.

Completely disagree with this and its why so many teams who used to think this way stunk.

How do you know which teams use advanced stats and which teams don't use advanced stat and how each has benefited as a result??.You are trying to promote something you believe in...

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:A few points...

“The triangle is really good for the final four minutes,” Harper said. “They lost a lot of close games where you’d say: ‘What was that play called?’

This is why despite winning 54 games last year and the hot start after MDA got fired that Woodson is a bad coach. When your on the sidelines you see things you dont catch while you play. Most NBA action is in the flow of the game. Its why EVERY GM relies evaluating talent with the eye over advanced stats and metrics. All that being said there are times you need a tactical brain... someone who can see whats happeing and put the players in a position to succeed. In the NFL coaches manage this every down. In the NBA you get a play out of timeouts and thats about it.

How many times did we come out of timeouts looking lost? It was a terrible year for Woody and he knew he deserved to be fired. It was cute how he said "its all on me" but the bottom line is THIS was the year we needed a good coach. After MDA got canned Melo goes unconscience, wins POTM ad Knicks finish 18-6. Last year Kidd started at an incredible pace, and the JR came on as 6MOY, other vets like Kurt and Sheed chipped in during key times and Melo was 3rd in MVP voting.

This was the year of disarray, of new guys needing to get into the mix, of adversity and while Mike is a good guy and I wish him well what did our coaching staff to do stabilize this ship? Play Melo 40 minutes... aside from that what?

On the friction between Phil and Dolan over firings... thats a positive. Anytime you ax someone there should be big pressure and checks and balances. These are people's lives and the high turnover rate in recend years speaks volumes of the poor culture. Dolan should fight for his guys. I have no problem with this. Phil should get his way... but Im ok w/ Dolan's lack of love for guys being chopped.

Its why EVERY GM relies evaluating talent with the eye over advanced stats and metrics.

Completely disagree with this and its why so many teams who used to think this way stunk.

How do you know which teams use advanced stats and which teams don't use advanced stat and how each has benefited as a result??.You are trying to promote something you believe in...

Actually, you are attempting to do the opposite.

http://www.nbastuffer.com/component/option,com_glossary/Itemid,90/catid,44/func,view/term,NBA+Teams+That+Have+Analytics+Department/

But you have no idea how these teams use this data and how it effects their personnel decisions...

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:A few points...

“The triangle is really good for the final four minutes,” Harper said. “They lost a lot of close games where you’d say: ‘What was that play called?’

This is why despite winning 54 games last year and the hot start after MDA got fired that Woodson is a bad coach. When your on the sidelines you see things you dont catch while you play. Most NBA action is in the flow of the game. Its why EVERY GM relies evaluating talent with the eye over advanced stats and metrics. All that being said there are times you need a tactical brain... someone who can see whats happeing and put the players in a position to succeed. In the NFL coaches manage this every down. In the NBA you get a play out of timeouts and thats about it.

How many times did we come out of timeouts looking lost? It was a terrible year for Woody and he knew he deserved to be fired. It was cute how he said "its all on me" but the bottom line is THIS was the year we needed a good coach. After MDA got canned Melo goes unconscience, wins POTM ad Knicks finish 18-6. Last year Kidd started at an incredible pace, and the JR came on as 6MOY, other vets like Kurt and Sheed chipped in during key times and Melo was 3rd in MVP voting.

This was the year of disarray, of new guys needing to get into the mix, of adversity and while Mike is a good guy and I wish him well what did our coaching staff to do stabilize this ship? Play Melo 40 minutes... aside from that what?

On the friction between Phil and Dolan over firings... thats a positive. Anytime you ax someone there should be big pressure and checks and balances. These are people's lives and the high turnover rate in recend years speaks volumes of the poor culture. Dolan should fight for his guys. I have no problem with this. Phil should get his way... but Im ok w/ Dolan's lack of love for guys being chopped.

Its why EVERY GM relies evaluating talent with the eye over advanced stats and metrics.

Completely disagree with this and its why so many teams who used to think this way stunk.

How do you know which teams use advanced stats and which teams don't use advanced stat and how each has benefited as a result??.You are trying to promote something you believe in...

Actually, you are attempting to do the opposite.

http://www.nbastuffer.com/component/option,com_glossary/Itemid,90/catid,44/func,view/term,NBA+Teams+That+Have+Analytics+Department/

But you have no idea how these teams use this data and how it effects their personnel decisions...

None of us know exactly what is going on behind closed doors. We can just read what is fed/available to us and come to conclusions.

Do you not see a trend to more efficient style and players?

Actually no, the talent is what it is...Can you give an example??

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fishmike wrote:A few points...

“The triangle is really good for the final four minutes,” Harper said. “They lost a lot of close games where you’d say: ‘What was that play called?’

This is why despite winning 54 games last year and the hot start after MDA got fired that Woodson is a bad coach. When your on the sidelines you see things you dont catch while you play. Most NBA action is in the flow of the game. Its why EVERY GM relies evaluating talent with the eye over advanced stats and metrics. All that being said there are times you need a tactical brain... someone who can see whats happeing and put the players in a position to succeed. In the NFL coaches manage this every down. In the NBA you get a play out of timeouts and thats about it.

How many times did we come out of timeouts looking lost? It was a terrible year for Woody and he knew he deserved to be fired. It was cute how he said "its all on me" but the bottom line is THIS was the year we needed a good coach. After MDA got canned Melo goes unconscience, wins POTM ad Knicks finish 18-6. Last year Kidd started at an incredible pace, and the JR came on as 6MOY, other vets like Kurt and Sheed chipped in during key times and Melo was 3rd in MVP voting.

This was the year of disarray, of new guys needing to get into the mix, of adversity and while Mike is a good guy and I wish him well what did our coaching staff to do stabilize this ship? Play Melo 40 minutes... aside from that what?

On the friction between Phil and Dolan over firings... thats a positive. Anytime you ax someone there should be big pressure and checks and balances. These are people's lives and the high turnover rate in recend years speaks volumes of the poor culture. Dolan should fight for his guys. I have no problem with this. Phil should get his way... but Im ok w/ Dolan's lack of love for guys being chopped.

Its why EVERY GM relies evaluating talent with the eye over advanced stats and metrics.

Completely disagree with this and its why so many teams who used to think this way stunk.

How do you know which teams use advanced stats and which teams don't use advanced stat and how each has benefited as a result??.You are trying to promote something you believe in...

not at all... I assume every team looks at every stat. How stupid not to? What I am saying is the final decision. We have seen articles with direct quotes from Buford, Ainge, Morey and several others saying that while metrics and AS are nice, and often used to sell guy's value to owners, that ultimately your personell decisions are made with the eye and heart. What do you see? And will guys work together?

Yeah I have seen that too, but some are making advanced stats to be the end all and be all...

kinda makes sense - and I would have to say - Jackson should be able to axe the medical staff- I thought they were pretty horrible - and if he wants to bring in his own people, he should be allowed.