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NardDogNation
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4/21/2014  7:37 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/21/2014  7:42 PM
BRIGGS wrote:Ill give us a possible scenario offseason


Tyson Chandler to New Orleans for Tyreke Evans straight up

Resign Cole Aldrich 3 years 6 mm

Trade Kenyon Martin Jeremy Tyler Toure Murry and a restricted #1 to the La Lakers for Pau Gasol to a 3 year 21mm$ deal

Buy a 2nd round pick in the 40's and grab Bachynski and grab Cameron Bairstow as an undrafted PF thats 7-2 250 and 6-9 255+

Hopefully resign Melo


Thats 14 I believe


C-Pau Gasol
PF Amare Stoudemire
F Carmelo Anthony
SG J R Smith
PG Tyreke Evans

Back ups
C-Cole Aldrich
PF Andrea Bargnani
F Lamar Odom
G Tim Hardaway JR
G Iman Shumpert

last 5
Bachnisnki
Bairstow
Felton
Pablo

That's not much to look forward to. I like Evans if he is used as a bench player in the triangle but his inability to make shots consistently hinders the prospects of him ever being a starter. The onlh way I'd consider acquiring Evans is if there are massive incentives included in the deal e.g. Jrue Holiday. We need to figure out a way to get Jrue on this team; he'd be perfect for us.

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4/21/2014  7:40 PM
newyorknewyork wrote:I don't wanna start a new thread so I will put this in here.

What do you guys think of a trade of Jr Smith for MKG of the Bobcats in the offseason? Cats need more capable scorers, MKG is a good defensive player who rebounds really well, doesn't have a good offensive game though. He has a Team Option 2015 and could free us of 5mil if he doesn't pan out.

MKG is still pretty young and may develop a serviceable jumper. I don't see Charlotte giving up on him this early, especially when they have to play Miami and Indiana 4 times a year.

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4/21/2014  7:52 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:I don't wanna start a new thread so I will put this in here.

What do you guys think of a trade of Jr Smith for MKG of the Bobcats in the offseason? Cats need more capable scorers, MKG is a good defensive player who rebounds really well, doesn't have a good offensive game though. He has a Team Option 2015 and could free us of 5mil if he doesn't pan out.

MKG is still pretty young and may develop a serviceable jumper. I don't see Charlotte giving up on him this early, especially when they have to play Miami and Indiana 4 times a year.

That is a terrible trade. The wiser move would be to get Al-farouq Amino in FA. He gives who pretty much everything MKG gives you and a cheaper price. There are probably better players out there than MKG that can give you defense and a little offense.

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4/21/2014  8:02 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:I don't wanna start a new thread so I will put this in here.

What do you guys think of a trade of Jr Smith for MKG of the Bobcats in the offseason? Cats need more capable scorers, MKG is a good defensive player who rebounds really well, doesn't have a good offensive game though. He has a Team Option 2015 and could free us of 5mil if he doesn't pan out.

MKG is still pretty young and may develop a serviceable jumper. I don't see Charlotte giving up on him this early, especially when they have to play Miami and Indiana 4 times a year.

That is a terrible trade. The wiser move would be to get Al-farouq Amino in FA. He gives who pretty much everything MKG gives you and a cheaper price. There are probably better players out there than MKG that can give you defense and a little offense.

You know that Dell Demps is going to overpay Al-Farouq. Look at his recent track record. That dude is going to turn the Hornets into Otis Smith's Orlando Magic, which will have Anthony Davis looking for a new address in a few years.

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4/21/2014  8:22 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:I don't wanna start a new thread so I will put this in here.

What do you guys think of a trade of Jr Smith for MKG of the Bobcats in the offseason? Cats need more capable scorers, MKG is a good defensive player who rebounds really well, doesn't have a good offensive game though. He has a Team Option 2015 and could free us of 5mil if he doesn't pan out.

MKG is still pretty young and may develop a serviceable jumper. I don't see Charlotte giving up on him this early, especially when they have to play Miami and Indiana 4 times a year.

That is a terrible trade. The wiser move would be to get Al-farouq Amino in FA. He gives who pretty much everything MKG gives you and a cheaper price. There are probably better players out there than MKG that can give you defense and a little offense.

You know that Dell Demps is going to overpay Al-Farouq. Look at his recent track record. That dude is going to turn the Hornets into Otis Smith's Orlando Magic, which will have Anthony Davis looking for a new address in a few years.

You think so? They gave him a smart contract last year. Even so, I'd take Marvin Williams as a back up SF over trading for MKG. I'm pretty sure there are some D-league and Euro talent that can provide the things MKG provides for the vet min.

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4/21/2014  11:31 PM
Great - 5 ball dominant players in the starting line-up.

Evan's is such a pass first pg that he will make it all gel.

Melo will serve as our fearless leader and Pau/Stat will be thrilled to touch the ball once every 15 times down the court.

I know one thing Briggs -- you didn't come from the Spurs coaching/mgmt tree.

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4/21/2014  11:47 PM
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nixluva wrote:Murry actually only needs to continue to improve his jumper. He's already capable of defending and running the very simple PG duties that the Triangle entails. Triangle offense doesn't require a pure PG. At 6-5 and long Murry fits nearly perfectly into that role. Don't know how Phil feels about him but he fits the physical requirements.

The PG has to be able to shoot. BJ, Kerr, Paxson, Harper, Fisher they all could shoot. Murry I don't know if he can shoot that well. Also look for the Knicks to add a player like Mayo or something to play PG.

Harper was a bad shooter. That's one if the reasons his scoring average plummeted after he left the Clips. I don't think it would be out of the question for Murray to develop into that type of player.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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4/21/2014  11:56 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Ill give us a possible scenario offseason


Tyson Chandler to New Orleans for Tyreke Evans straight up

Resign Cole Aldrich 3 years 6 mm

Trade Kenyon Martin Jeremy Tyler Toure Murry and a restricted #1 to the La Lakers for Pau Gasol to a 3 year 21mm$ deal

Buy a 2nd round pick in the 40's and grab Bachynski and grab Cameron Bairstow as an undrafted PF thats 7-2 250 and 6-9 255+

Hopefully resign Melo


Thats 14 I believe


C-Pau Gasol
PF Amare Stoudemire
F Carmelo Anthony
SG J R Smith
PG Tyreke Evans

Back ups
C-Cole Aldrich
PF Andrea Bargnani
F Lamar Odom
G Tim Hardaway JR
G Iman Shumpert

last 5
Bachnisnki
Bairstow
Felton
Pablo

That's not much to look forward to. I like Evans if he is used as a bench player in the triangle but his inability to make shots consistently hinders the prospects of him ever being a starter. The onlh way I'd consider acquiring Evans is if there are massive incentives included in the deal e.g. Jrue Holiday. We need to figure out a way to get Jrue on this team; he'd be perfect for us.

Man, I thought our defense was bad this season. None of the players in that hypothetical starting lineup are good defensive players. Plus, we'd have to depend on STAT to play a lot of games. Plus Evans is a drive and sometimes dish guy. How long would it take for him to learn the system? Plus, it doesn't address one of our biggest issues, which is the inability to defend PG penetration.

Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right. - The Tick
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4/22/2014  12:07 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
newyorknewyork wrote:I don't wanna start a new thread so I will put this in here.

What do you guys think of a trade of Jr Smith for MKG of the Bobcats in the offseason? Cats need more capable scorers, MKG is a good defensive player who rebounds really well, doesn't have a good offensive game though. He has a Team Option 2015 and could free us of 5mil if he doesn't pan out.

MKG is still pretty young and may develop a serviceable jumper. I don't see Charlotte giving up on him this early, especially when they have to play Miami and Indiana 4 times a year.

That is a terrible trade. The wiser move would be to get Al-farouq Amino in FA. He gives who pretty much everything MKG gives you and a cheaper price. There are probably better players out there than MKG that can give you defense and a little offense.

You know that Dell Demps is going to overpay Al-Farouq. Look at his recent track record. That dude is going to turn the Hornets into Otis Smith's Orlando Magic, which will have Anthony Davis looking for a new address in a few years.

You think so? They gave him a smart contract last year. Even so, I'd take Marvin Williams as a back up SF over trading for MKG. I'm pretty sure there are some D-league and Euro talent that can provide the things MKG provides for the vet min.

I have zero confidence in Dell Demps. He's only made two solid moves in nearly 5 years: (1) the CP3 trade and (2) signing Ryan Anderson. But when you sit down and think about it, each of these moves come with HUGE asterisks. For one, David Stern saved Demps from himself when he foolish tried to trade CP3 for Kevin Martin, Luis Scola and Lamar Odom. Secondly, Ryan Anderson was a terrible move long-term because he made the Hornets/Pelicans better at a time when they should've been losing every game to get an all-star running mate for Anthony Davis in the draft. When you look at all disgruntled stars in small markets that eventually left their team, ALL of them were on teams that tried to get good too fast, which prevented them from getting another star through the draft. The small market teams that bucked the trend, like the Thunder (who got Westbrook for Durant), became title contenders.

Anyway, the point is that I think that Demps sucks. He foolishly traded two lottery picks for Jrue Holiday, one of which was Michael Carter Williams who might be better than Holiday in a few years. He grossly overpaid Tyreke Evans. He matched Eric Gordon's contract when it was clear he had no interest in staying in New Orleans and was injury prone. That level of ineptitude is close to being on par with an Otis Smith and Billy King. I suspect that he'll be looking for a job next season but not before he screws up and overpays Aminu.

P.S., I think that Marvin Williams is a better player than MKG. If we keep Melo, I definitly think that Williams would be an ideal fit.

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4/22/2014  12:12 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
NardDogNation wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Ill give us a possible scenario offseason


Tyson Chandler to New Orleans for Tyreke Evans straight up

Resign Cole Aldrich 3 years 6 mm

Trade Kenyon Martin Jeremy Tyler Toure Murry and a restricted #1 to the La Lakers for Pau Gasol to a 3 year 21mm$ deal

Buy a 2nd round pick in the 40's and grab Bachynski and grab Cameron Bairstow as an undrafted PF thats 7-2 250 and 6-9 255+

Hopefully resign Melo


Thats 14 I believe


C-Pau Gasol
PF Amare Stoudemire
F Carmelo Anthony
SG J R Smith
PG Tyreke Evans

Back ups
C-Cole Aldrich
PF Andrea Bargnani
F Lamar Odom
G Tim Hardaway JR
G Iman Shumpert

last 5
Bachnisnki
Bairstow
Felton
Pablo

That's not much to look forward to. I like Evans if he is used as a bench player in the triangle but his inability to make shots consistently hinders the prospects of him ever being a starter. The onlh way I'd consider acquiring Evans is if there are massive incentives included in the deal e.g. Jrue Holiday. We need to figure out a way to get Jrue on this team; he'd be perfect for us.

Man, I thought our defense was bad this season. None of the players in that hypothetical starting lineup are good defensive players. Plus, we'd have to depend on STAT to play a lot of games. Plus Evans is a drive and sometimes dish guy. How long would it take for him to learn the system? Plus, it doesn't address one of our biggest issues, which is the inability to defend PG penetration.

We need to be good at one end of the floor, so I don't mind if we develop our identity as being an efficient and effective team. Sure, that has its shortcomings but at least we'd know what to expect from the team and be making some progress. Unfortunately, I don't think that hypothetical team accomplishes much either because no one on the roster would be adept in operating without the ball. The sad thing is that I don't see us being able to improve the roster without assuming bad contracts attached to flawed players (e.g. Josh Smith, Eric Gordon, Tyreke Evans, etc.).

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4/22/2014  12:14 PM
VCoug wrote:
BRIGGS wrote:Ill give us a possible scenario offseason


Tyson Chandler to New Orleans for Tyreke Evans straight up

Resign Cole Aldrich 3 years 6 mm

Trade Kenyon Martin Jeremy Tyler Toure Murry and a restricted #1 to the La Lakers for Pau Gasol to a 3 year 21mm$ deal

Buy a 2nd round pick in the 40's and grab Bachynski and grab Cameron Bairstow as an undrafted PF thats 7-2 250 and 6-9 255+

Hopefully resign Melo


Thats 14 I believe


C-Pau Gasol
PF Amare Stoudemire
F Carmelo Anthony
SG J R Smith
PG Tyreke Evans

Back ups
C-Cole Aldrich
PF Andrea Bargnani
F Lamar Odom
G Tim Hardaway JR
G Iman Shumpert

last 5
Bachnisnki
Bairstow
Felton
Pablo

I'm not even going into why I don't like these trades. We can't get Gasol in a sign-and-trade because we're over the luxury tax apron. We need to cut between $15M and $20M plus whatever salary Gasol receives from in order to do a sign and trade.

I didnt even know we cant S+T--thats too bad. Maybe Pau would consider taking the 3 year 10mm to play in NY? Again this is a model based on Melo staying--we need upgrades at C and PG. I'm a big believer in Tyreke Evans--I think he is proven and was showing signs of going to all star level late in the season.

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