Being realistic hard to see Phil spending 5 years in the lottery hoping for a guy to build around

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:if they amnesty Boozer and trade Taj Gibson to a team with cap space they can do this without a sign and trade. If that happens and Melo opts out and leaves it will be nothing short of a disaster. There is a reason this is the first losing season Melo has ever had in the NBA.

Funny folks talk about sustainable winning and player value. Yet we have an all star, all NBA player, scoring title guy who can play with the MVPs of the league and people think we are better off without.

I look forward (again) to the days of wondering if guys like Gallo, Will Chandler, David Lee or Nate Robinson are winning players or not while we tally up win totals in the 20s and 30s. It should be great. Looking forward

dose of reality fish.. we are a lottery team with him.... I look forward to a future without him...

guy who can play with the MVPs of the league

you tend to wax on poetically with these phrases and comments..

"can play with the MVP's of the league"
" a guy teams can't deal with"

I mean come on dude, none of these things proved true and if they did they had no real impact on the knicks... Heck You just described a lot of guys in this league... and guess what, those guys get traded and they leave and their teams have gotten better.. we are not losing a Durant, or lebron or hell even a Paul george.. we will lose a one dimensional player.... A guy who will be on the other side of 30 soon and has not made this team better....

rejoice...thy salvation is NIGH!!

we were a lottery team... its a one off. You hate him. We all get that. You have one follower here you brought from your realGM exile, but most normal Knick fans dont really care about your opinion on the subject.

TKF's keys to game: "So tonight we... hello? Anyone out there? hello?"

Time will tell.

I guess Thibs (he's the Bulls coach) is just another Melo jock riding homer who is gushing over his game

Tom Thibodeau praised the abilities of Carmelo Anthony after the Chicago Bulls' morning shootaround.

"He can score so many different ways," Thibodeau said. "He can post up. He can catch-and-shoot. He can isolate. He can be the screener in a pick-and-roll. He can be the ball-handler in a pick-and-roll. He gets to the free-throw line. He’s a great offensive rebounder. If you overcommit your help, he probably doesn’t get enough credit for being a very good passer, particularly to the weakside corner. He can hurt you a lot of different ways. He can score the ball very easily. It doesn’t take him much to get going."

Thibodeau agreed that his reputation as a selfish ballstopper is overstated.

"It’s interesting because with USA Basketball, they talk about him being a playmaker," he said. "He scores and if a guy is open, he passes the ball. I think oftentimes it’s who he plays with.

"It’s interesting, a lot of the things that you hear about him, I heard about Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen and Paul Pierce before they came together and won it. That changes perception. Carmelo has been one of the elite scorers in the league for a long, long time."

We can add Tom Thibodeau to the long list of NBA dummies that dont have the knowledge TFK does.

while he praised his offense he said nothing about his defense.

hmmmmm.....

That's your response? C'mon!

You're just reaching there.

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:if they amnesty Boozer and trade Taj Gibson to a team with cap space they can do this without a sign and trade. If that happens and Melo opts out and leaves it will be nothing short of a disaster. There is a reason this is the first losing season Melo has ever had in the NBA.

Funny folks talk about sustainable winning and player value. Yet we have an all star, all NBA player, scoring title guy who can play with the MVPs of the league and people think we are better off without.

I look forward (again) to the days of wondering if guys like Gallo, Will Chandler, David Lee or Nate Robinson are winning players or not while we tally up win totals in the 20s and 30s. It should be great. Looking forward

dose of reality fish.. we are a lottery team with him.... I look forward to a future without him...

guy who can play with the MVPs of the league

you tend to wax on poetically with these phrases and comments..

"can play with the MVP's of the league"
" a guy teams can't deal with"

I mean come on dude, none of these things proved true and if they did they had no real impact on the knicks... Heck You just described a lot of guys in this league... and guess what, those guys get traded and they leave and their teams have gotten better.. we are not losing a Durant, or lebron or hell even a Paul george.. we will lose a one dimensional player.... A guy who will be on the other side of 30 soon and has not made this team better....

rejoice...thy salvation is NIGH!!

we were a lottery team... its a one off. You hate him. We all get that. You have one follower here you brought from your realGM exile, but most normal Knick fans dont really care about your opinion on the subject.

TKF's keys to game: "So tonight we... hello? Anyone out there? hello?"

Time will tell.

I guess Thibs (he's the Bulls coach) is just another Melo jock riding homer who is gushing over his game

Tom Thibodeau praised the abilities of Carmelo Anthony after the Chicago Bulls' morning shootaround.

"He can score so many different ways," Thibodeau said. "He can post up. He can catch-and-shoot. He can isolate. He can be the screener in a pick-and-roll. He can be the ball-handler in a pick-and-roll. He gets to the free-throw line. He’s a great offensive rebounder. If you overcommit your help, he probably doesn’t get enough credit for being a very good passer, particularly to the weakside corner. He can hurt you a lot of different ways. He can score the ball very easily. It doesn’t take him much to get going."

Thibodeau agreed that his reputation as a selfish ballstopper is overstated.

"It’s interesting because with USA Basketball, they talk about him being a playmaker," he said. "He scores and if a guy is open, he passes the ball. I think oftentimes it’s who he plays with.

"It’s interesting, a lot of the things that you hear about him, I heard about Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen and Paul Pierce before they came together and won it. That changes perception. Carmelo has been one of the elite scorers in the league for a long, long time."

We can add Tom Thibodeau to the long list of NBA dummies that dont have the knowledge TFK does.

while he praised his offense he said nothing about his defense.

hmmmmm.....

That's your response? C'mon!

You're just reaching there.

i am sorry but i am defense-first basketball fan. offense may come and go but defense should be a constant. and melo has shown that his offense comes and goes while his defense is not a constant. i am not sure how healthy a bulls team will be with two score-first mentality guys in rose and melo, not to mention competing usage rates, and their sub-par defense. again, i am talking playoffs and titles not regular season stuff.

fishmike wrote:its not a reach at all. Its as good as he's got. Another coach (one touted for his defense) gushes over Melo and thats what he's got. Funny, Rose won an MVP under Thibs and never actually defended anyone the whole year.

that mvp was undeserved. nice kid, good story, but undeserved.

fishmike wrote:back to real basketball talk:
All I can say is I hope he doesnt leave us high and dry, and its more a Denver situation where we get to work something out. Gut feeling still tells me stays, and Im pretty sure Phil pays him to stay. Unless he's got something else up his sleave (possible) like a handshake superfriends deal with 2-3 max guys comeing here.

Being realistic hard to see Phil spending 5 years in the lottery hoping for a guy to build around

when will you wake up from this dream fish mike? really? Who the hell wants to come here to this mess to play with carmelo.. I mean for christ sakes... you know what Phil has up his sleeve? his arm... and with that arm I hope he uses it to chop this team to pieces, as it should be....

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:if they amnesty Boozer and trade Taj Gibson to a team with cap space they can do this without a sign and trade. If that happens and Melo opts out and leaves it will be nothing short of a disaster. There is a reason this is the first losing season Melo has ever had in the NBA.

Funny folks talk about sustainable winning and player value. Yet we have an all star, all NBA player, scoring title guy who can play with the MVPs of the league and people think we are better off without.

I look forward (again) to the days of wondering if guys like Gallo, Will Chandler, David Lee or Nate Robinson are winning players or not while we tally up win totals in the 20s and 30s. It should be great. Looking forward

dose of reality fish.. we are a lottery team with him.... I look forward to a future without him...

guy who can play with the MVPs of the league

you tend to wax on poetically with these phrases and comments..

"can play with the MVP's of the league"
" a guy teams can't deal with"

I mean come on dude, none of these things proved true and if they did they had no real impact on the knicks... Heck You just described a lot of guys in this league... and guess what, those guys get traded and they leave and their teams have gotten better.. we are not losing a Durant, or lebron or hell even a Paul george.. we will lose a one dimensional player.... A guy who will be on the other side of 30 soon and has not made this team better....

rejoice...thy salvation is NIGH!!

we were a lottery team... its a one off. You hate him. We all get that. You have one follower here you brought from your realGM exile, but most normal Knick fans dont really care about your opinion on the subject.

TKF's keys to game: "So tonight we... hello? Anyone out there? hello?"

Time will tell.

I guess Thibs (he's the Bulls coach) is just another Melo jock riding homer who is gushing over his game

Tom Thibodeau praised the abilities of Carmelo Anthony after the Chicago Bulls' morning shootaround.

"He can score so many different ways," Thibodeau said. "He can post up. He can catch-and-shoot. He can isolate. He can be the screener in a pick-and-roll. He can be the ball-handler in a pick-and-roll. He gets to the free-throw line. He’s a great offensive rebounder. If you overcommit your help, he probably doesn’t get enough credit for being a very good passer, particularly to the weakside corner. He can hurt you a lot of different ways. He can score the ball very easily. It doesn’t take him much to get going."

Thibodeau agreed that his reputation as a selfish ballstopper is overstated.

"It’s interesting because with USA Basketball, they talk about him being a playmaker," he said. "He scores and if a guy is open, he passes the ball. I think oftentimes it’s who he plays with.

"It’s interesting, a lot of the things that you hear about him, I heard about Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen and Paul Pierce before they came together and won it. That changes perception. Carmelo has been one of the elite scorers in the league for a long, long time."

We can add Tom Thibodeau to the long list of NBA dummies that dont have the knowledge TFK does.

it would be nice if thibs could explain to us why carmelo has been such a playoff failure... I find it funny how the guy who coached him most of his career criticized him for the same things myself and some others have.. George Karl....

care to elaborate or that?

Karl? Seems to me Karl knows something about first exits also. Did his Mil teams ever advance? How is Karl's team playing now? Oh wait? He's not coaching? Weird... maybe its because he sucks? Maybe thats part of Melo's problems... he's been coached by losers like Karl too long. Im not sure.

But yea.. in your world Melo was just riding on the great coach Karl's coat tails. His all stars were a BS popularity contest. The 6 times he made all NBA teams? He paid the writers Im guessing. The 18 times he won player of the week? 5 times he won player of the month? All a sham. I bet Phil Jax is the next dummy not to realize this guy is no good.

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:if they amnesty Boozer and trade Taj Gibson to a team with cap space they can do this without a sign and trade. If that happens and Melo opts out and leaves it will be nothing short of a disaster. There is a reason this is the first losing season Melo has ever had in the NBA.

Funny folks talk about sustainable winning and player value. Yet we have an all star, all NBA player, scoring title guy who can play with the MVPs of the league and people think we are better off without.

I look forward (again) to the days of wondering if guys like Gallo, Will Chandler, David Lee or Nate Robinson are winning players or not while we tally up win totals in the 20s and 30s. It should be great. Looking forward

dose of reality fish.. we are a lottery team with him.... I look forward to a future without him...

guy who can play with the MVPs of the league

you tend to wax on poetically with these phrases and comments..

"can play with the MVP's of the league"
" a guy teams can't deal with"

I mean come on dude, none of these things proved true and if they did they had no real impact on the knicks... Heck You just described a lot of guys in this league... and guess what, those guys get traded and they leave and their teams have gotten better.. we are not losing a Durant, or lebron or hell even a Paul george.. we will lose a one dimensional player.... A guy who will be on the other side of 30 soon and has not made this team better....

rejoice...thy salvation is NIGH!!

we were a lottery team... its a one off. You hate him. We all get that. You have one follower here you brought from your realGM exile, but most normal Knick fans dont really care about your opinion on the subject.

TKF's keys to game: "So tonight we... hello? Anyone out there? hello?"

Time will tell.

I guess Thibs (he's the Bulls coach) is just another Melo jock riding homer who is gushing over his game

Tom Thibodeau praised the abilities of Carmelo Anthony after the Chicago Bulls' morning shootaround.

"He can score so many different ways," Thibodeau said. "He can post up. He can catch-and-shoot. He can isolate. He can be the screener in a pick-and-roll. He can be the ball-handler in a pick-and-roll. He gets to the free-throw line. He’s a great offensive rebounder. If you overcommit your help, he probably doesn’t get enough credit for being a very good passer, particularly to the weakside corner. He can hurt you a lot of different ways. He can score the ball very easily. It doesn’t take him much to get going."

Thibodeau agreed that his reputation as a selfish ballstopper is overstated.

"It’s interesting because with USA Basketball, they talk about him being a playmaker," he said. "He scores and if a guy is open, he passes the ball. I think oftentimes it’s who he plays with.

"It’s interesting, a lot of the things that you hear about him, I heard about Kevin Garnett and Ray Allen and Paul Pierce before they came together and won it. That changes perception. Carmelo has been one of the elite scorers in the league for a long, long time."

We can add Tom Thibodeau to the long list of NBA dummies that dont have the knowledge TFK does.

it would be nice if thibs could explain to us why carmelo has been such a playoff failure... I find it funny how the guy who coached him most of his career criticized him for the same things myself and some others have.. George Karl....

care to elaborate or that?

probably the same reason KG lost and lost or didnt even make the playoffs at times (some were his best seasons). I know this is a hard concept for you, but NBA teams are made of more than one guy. 5 guys are on the floor at once, so even if you have the best player on the floor your TEAM can still lose.

Karl? Seems to me Karl knows something about first exits also. Did his Mil teams ever advance? How is Karl's team playing now? Oh wait? He's not coaching? Weird... maybe its because he sucks? Maybe thats part of Melo's problems... he's been coached by losers like Karl too long. Im not sure.

But yea.. in your world Melo was just riding on the great coach Karl's coat tails. His all stars were a BS popularity contest. The 6 times he made all NBA teams? He paid the writers Im guessing. The 18 times he won player of the week? 5 times he won player of the month? All a sham. I bet Phil Jax is the next dummy not to realize this guy is no good.

george karl made it the conference finals with milwaukee and fell one game short of the finals, and made the finals with seattle.

fishmike wrote:back to real basketball talk:
All I can say is I hope he doesnt leave us high and dry, and its more a Denver situation where we get to work something out. Gut feeling still tells me stays, and Im pretty sure Phil pays him to stay. Unless he's got something else up his sleave (possible) like a handshake superfriends deal with 2-3 max guys comeing here.

Being realistic hard to see Phil spending 5 years in the lottery hoping for a guy to build around

Vmart wrote:If Melo leaves its not a big deal. Now if the Knicks were a playoff team and he left after the season it would be a big deal. The fact that he failed to get his team into the playoffs is a big giant asterisk on his free agency. My only hope is that the Knicks sign and trade Melo to the Lakers for their number one pick and draft Dante Exum. I think the Phil's system works better with a shooting guard. Probably develop him into a top caliber player in the league.