mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:It's amazing how we lose 1 key player and a couple of role players and we go from the 2nd best team in the east to the 9th, yet people are saying phil as a tall task ahead of him..

Not sure we were 2nd. Last season started great then we kind of slipped a bit as our elders tired. We struggled to put Boston away and lost to a very good Indy team.

Phil has a lot of work to do. Hire a real GM, most likely a coach, some assistants, resign Melo and either trade or rehab Bargs. If competitive we keep Tyson, but if its a transition year, perhaps trade him as well.

I'd say he has a list.

This will no doubt be an interesting off season. I'm kinda looking forward to it.

I really hope its boring and we make very small moves.

I agree. Dump as many players for picks as possible. Sign as much cheap, high upside talent as we can to cap friendly, short term deals with team options, and tank to get that top pick in 2015. He'll, I'd even cut any expensive vets like Bargs or Amare if no team will give up picks or young cheap players for them. There are tons of good big man prospects in the 2015 class. Let's get a cornerstone young big. Come on!

Phil's a smart guy he has to see that next year is a wash and 2015 is when we can sign some impact FA's. Having a top pick to go along with that and he's well on his way to building something nice. I'm hoping he can rehab Shump while he's at it too. Ron Harper 2.0 or at least a poor mans version.

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:It's amazing how we lose 1 key player and a couple of role players and we go from the 2nd best team in the east to the 9th, yet people are saying phil as a tall task ahead of him..

Not sure we were 2nd. Last season started great then we kind of slipped a bit as our elders tired. We struggled to put Boston away and lost to a very good Indy team.

Phil has a lot of work to do. Hire a real GM, most likely a coach, some assistants, resign Melo and either trade or rehab Bargs. If competitive we keep Tyson, but if its a transition year, perhaps trade him as well.

I'd say he has a list.

This will no doubt be an interesting off season. I'm kinda looking forward to it.

I really hope its boring and we make very small moves.

I agree. Dump as many players for picks as possible. Sign as much cheap, high upside talent as we can to cap friendly, short term deals with team options, and tank to get that top pick in 2015. He'll, I'd even cut any expensive vets like Bargs or Amare if no team will give up picks or young cheap players for them. There are tons of good big man prospects in the 2015 class. Let's get a cornerstone young big. Come on!

Phil's a smart guy he has to see that next year is a wash and 2015 is when we can sign some impact FA's. Having a top pick to go along with that and he's well on his way to building something nice. I'm hoping he can rehab Shump while he's at it too. Ron Harper 2.0 or at least a poor mans version.

Listen there isn't one single player on the horizon thats worth tanking for. You think Melo is going to stick around for that game plan.

the only 2 things phil has to do this off season, is figure out how to get rondo, or lowery in a knick uniform and hire a real coach.

Once again i'm not concern about the draft in 2015, because veterans win championships, not rookies..

knicks1248 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:It's amazing how we lose 1 key player and a couple of role players and we go from the 2nd best team in the east to the 9th, yet people are saying phil as a tall task ahead of him..

Not sure we were 2nd. Last season started great then we kind of slipped a bit as our elders tired. We struggled to put Boston away and lost to a very good Indy team.

Phil has a lot of work to do. Hire a real GM, most likely a coach, some assistants, resign Melo and either trade or rehab Bargs. If competitive we keep Tyson, but if its a transition year, perhaps trade him as well.

I'd say he has a list.

This will no doubt be an interesting off season. I'm kinda looking forward to it.

I really hope its boring and we make very small moves.

I agree. Dump as many players for picks as possible. Sign as much cheap, high upside talent as we can to cap friendly, short term deals with team options, and tank to get that top pick in 2015. He'll, I'd even cut any expensive vets like Bargs or Amare if no team will give up picks or young cheap players for them. There are tons of good big man prospects in the 2015 class. Let's get a cornerstone young big. Come on!

Phil's a smart guy he has to see that next year is a wash and 2015 is when we can sign some impact FA's. Having a top pick to go along with that and he's well on his way to building something nice. I'm hoping he can rehab Shump while he's at it too. Ron Harper 2.0 or at least a poor mans version.

Listen there isn't one single player on the horizon thats worth tanking for. You think Melo is going to stick around for that game plan.

the only 2 things phil has to do this off season, is figure out how to get rondo, or lowery in a knick uniform and hire a real coach.

Once again i'm not concern about the draft in 2015, because veterans win championships, not rookies..

so you take a 31 year old Melo over an 19 year old Lebron James?

Melo had a fantastic year this year. We can argue about whether he was the leader we needed.

I think the key thing is can we build him the support he needs to be relevant at this stage of his career?

He is on the wrong side of 30 with a team that has no assets to help build a supporting cast.

knicks1248 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:It's amazing how we lose 1 key player and a couple of role players and we go from the 2nd best team in the east to the 9th, yet people are saying phil as a tall task ahead of him..

Not sure we were 2nd. Last season started great then we kind of slipped a bit as our elders tired. We struggled to put Boston away and lost to a very good Indy team.

Phil has a lot of work to do. Hire a real GM, most likely a coach, some assistants, resign Melo and either trade or rehab Bargs. If competitive we keep Tyson, but if its a transition year, perhaps trade him as well.

I'd say he has a list.

This will no doubt be an interesting off season. I'm kinda looking forward to it.

I really hope its boring and we make very small moves.

I agree. Dump as many players for picks as possible. Sign as much cheap, high upside talent as we can to cap friendly, short term deals with team options, and tank to get that top pick in 2015. He'll, I'd even cut any expensive vets like Bargs or Amare if no team will give up picks or young cheap players for them. There are tons of good big man prospects in the 2015 class. Let's get a cornerstone young big. Come on!

Phil's a smart guy he has to see that next year is a wash and 2015 is when we can sign some impact FA's. Having a top pick to go along with that and he's well on his way to building something nice. I'm hoping he can rehab Shump while he's at it too. Ron Harper 2.0 or at least a poor mans version.

Listen there isn't one single player on the horizon thats worth tanking for. You think Melo is going to stick around for that game plan.

the only 2 things phil has to do this off season, is figure out how to get rondo, or lowery in a knick uniform and hire a real coach.

Once again i'm not concern about the draft in 2015, because veterans win championships, not rookies..

To get Rondo it would cost us taking on Wallace giving up Tim Hardaway JR and a future 1. That would cost us free agency in 2015. Lowry is going to get 9-10mm from Toronto--so that isnt happening. Also if we do take on salary remember that Chandler Amare Bargs are all on last year deals---if we sign Melo to 20mm per wed have little cap space left.

I think we need to spend our money wiser. Are you banking on Amare starting PF next year? I dont know what happened this year-- a year that melo mightve had his best year---Wade has sat more games than any one guy on our roster yet Miami is likely going to win it again. That tells you how far we have to go. Yes we lok good at times and then we look very bad. Were also at the end of a run with some players notably Chandler and Amare. I guess step 1 is to see if Melo will stay and take it from there.

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:It's amazing how we lose 1 key player and a couple of role players and we go from the 2nd best team in the east to the 9th, yet people are saying phil as a tall task ahead of him..

Not sure we were 2nd. Last season started great then we kind of slipped a bit as our elders tired. We struggled to put Boston away and lost to a very good Indy team.

Phil has a lot of work to do. Hire a real GM, most likely a coach, some assistants, resign Melo and either trade or rehab Bargs. If competitive we keep Tyson, but if its a transition year, perhaps trade him as well.

I'd say he has a list.

This will no doubt be an interesting off season. I'm kinda looking forward to it.

I really hope its boring and we make very small moves.

I agree. Dump as many players for picks as possible. Sign as much cheap, high upside talent as we can to cap friendly, short term deals with team options, and tank to get that top pick in 2015. He'll, I'd even cut any expensive vets like Bargs or Amare if no team will give up picks or young cheap players for them. There are tons of good big man prospects in the 2015 class. Let's get a cornerstone young big. Come on!

Phil's a smart guy he has to see that next year is a wash and 2015 is when we can sign some impact FA's. Having a top pick to go along with that and he's well on his way to building something nice. I'm hoping he can rehab Shump while he's at it too. Ron Harper 2.0 or at least a poor mans version.

Listen there isn't one single player on the horizon thats worth tanking for. You think Melo is going to stick around for that game plan.

the only 2 things phil has to do this off season, is figure out how to get rondo, or lowery in a knick uniform and hire a real coach.

Once again i'm not concern about the draft in 2015, because veterans win championships, not rookies..

To get Rondo it would cost us taking on Wallace giving up Tim Hardaway JR and a future 1. That would cost us free agency in 2015. Lowry is going to get 9-10mm from Toronto--so that isnt happening. Also if we do take on salary remember that Chandler Amare Bargs are all on last year deals---if we sign Melo to 20mm per wed have little cap space left.

I think we need to spend our money wiser. Are you banking on Amare starting PF next year? I dont know what happened this year-- a year that melo mightve had his best year---Wade has sat more games than any one guy on our roster yet Miami is likely going to win it again. That tells you how far we have to go. Yes we lok good at times and then we look very bad. Were also at the end of a run with some players notably Chandler and Amare. I guess step 1 is to see if Melo will stay and take it from there.

great post.

This year shows how great Lebron and Durant are, playing better than ever without their super-sidekicks for a lot of the season.

We need to build a smart team with many very efficient players and a system that promotes efficiency. Not ISO ball which stifles ball movement and better shot selection.

NYKBocker wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:I doubt it.

He has always overvalued himself. Phil is gonna convince him otherwise and to sign with a big discount?

Not gonna happen, especially with the CAA idiots.

CAA is really just another agency now. The same agency many other players in the NBA have. They just had more pull with the Knicks because they were helping Dolan with other things. Just wait and see. Melo will likely stay in NY at 18M.

if its happening, that is probably the right number.

Melo at 18M would be awesome but I doubt that happens. Melo is looking to max out. Nothing in his history suggests that he will take less for the team.

He is not getting the max. There is not a market for it.

Rondo will never sniff a knick uni in the phil era. Im not saying that long armed freak is not with talent, but his skill set is not condusive to the triangle in my opinion.

Predicting what he does is very hard. The landcape can change quick as Lebron can leave, Love might be in play and those two create a very large shift in how things move.

Lebron played more games without wade this season then with. Might be time to move on. My take is Bosh wants to get paid. The whole Miami thing can change very quickly. HOw so? I have not idea.

My slight prediction is Don't expect to contend for few years but at the same time don't rule out anything. For all we know collusion is taking place and PHil has his ducks lined up already.

Im not making any predictions as I am only digesting what we all are reading. I do know unless we get a big starphuch most fans will be disappointed.

Perhaps the less we do, the better we are longer term.

jrodmc wrote:Blow it up now.
Tank and get picks.
Build cap space.

boy, where have I heard all this before?...before?...before?...

1) Where is Melo going? Someone tell me please. And hell is not an answer.
2) Why are we trading THJr? What more would you have expected from a rookie picked that late in the draft?
3) According to some posts in this thread, quality 7 footers grow on trees. I haven't seen that recently in the NBA, where people like Oden and Bynum are getting contracts.
4) What franchise are we talking about again? The one with the little toady signing the checks? The one with the shiny new rich egotistical GM who is the coach with the stellar resume with no team blowing up/tanking/building through drafting in any part of said resume? The one approaching 70 years old? Is that the team we're talking about?

We are going to starphuch, plain and simple. This is not Philadelphia. 5 years is not 10 years.

Melo could go to Chicago Phoenix Houston LA. All of those teams are light years ahead of the Knicks. Melo isnt the last piece here--that is already proven. I think reality mightve been playing in the west. We have more problems than Melo.

Why would we trade THJ--my take is that we have no assets to trade except THJ. No team is going to trade a really good player for cap space in two years.

We have very serious problems at PG PF and C. We have lame duck players who get injured with no quality back ups. Probably one reason why we stink now.

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:It's amazing how we lose 1 key player and a couple of role players and we go from the 2nd best team in the east to the 9th, yet people are saying phil as a tall task ahead of him..

Not sure we were 2nd. Last season started great then we kind of slipped a bit as our elders tired. We struggled to put Boston away and lost to a very good Indy team.

Phil has a lot of work to do. Hire a real GM, most likely a coach, some assistants, resign Melo and either trade or rehab Bargs. If competitive we keep Tyson, but if its a transition year, perhaps trade him as well.

I'd say he has a list.

This will no doubt be an interesting off season. I'm kinda looking forward to it.

I really hope its boring and we make very small moves.

I agree. Dump as many players for picks as possible. Sign as much cheap, high upside talent as we can to cap friendly, short term deals with team options, and tank to get that top pick in 2015. He'll, I'd even cut any expensive vets like Bargs or Amare if no team will give up picks or young cheap players for them. There are tons of good big man prospects in the 2015 class. Let's get a cornerstone young big. Come on!

Phil's a smart guy he has to see that next year is a wash and 2015 is when we can sign some impact FA's. Having a top pick to go along with that and he's well on his way to building something nice. I'm hoping he can rehab Shump while he's at it too. Ron Harper 2.0 or at least a poor mans version.

Listen there isn't one single player on the horizon thats worth tanking for. You think Melo is going to stick around for that game plan.

the only 2 things phil has to do this off season, is figure out how to get rondo, or lowery in a knick uniform and hire a real coach.

Once again i'm not concern about the draft in 2015, because veterans win championships, not rookies..

To get Rondo it would cost us taking on Wallace giving up Tim Hardaway JR and a future 1. That would cost us free agency in 2015. Lowry is going to get 9-10mm from Toronto--so that isnt happening. Also if we do take on salary remember that Chandler Amare Bargs are all on last year deals---if we sign Melo to 20mm per wed have little cap space left.

I think we need to spend our money wiser. Are you banking on Amare starting PF next year? I dont know what happened this year-- a year that melo mightve had his best year---Wade has sat more games than any one guy on our roster yet Miami is likely going to win it again. That tells you how far we have to go. Yes we lok good at times and then we look very bad. Were also at the end of a run with some players notably Chandler and Amare. I guess step 1 is to see if Melo will stay and take it from there.

great post.

This year shows how great Lebron and Durant are, playing better than ever without their super-sidekicks for a lot of the season.

We need to build a smart team with many very efficient players and a system that promotes efficiency. Not ISO ball which stifles ball movement and better shot selection.

Actually, Lebron is not playing as well defensively this year. Very bad year to his standards and has been all year. Teammates are needed for both sides of the ball because carrying the load is taxing.

he's sandbagging like crazy. he's so good offensively, so creative, so able to make others better, so efficient, that he can get away with that.

come playoffs, when his offense will be negatively impacted, you can bet your bottom dollar he's going to ratchet up his defense.

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:It's amazing how we lose 1 key player and a couple of role players and we go from the 2nd best team in the east to the 9th, yet people are saying phil as a tall task ahead of him..

Not sure we were 2nd. Last season started great then we kind of slipped a bit as our elders tired. We struggled to put Boston away and lost to a very good Indy team.

Phil has a lot of work to do. Hire a real GM, most likely a coach, some assistants, resign Melo and either trade or rehab Bargs. If competitive we keep Tyson, but if its a transition year, perhaps trade him as well.

I'd say he has a list.

This will no doubt be an interesting off season. I'm kinda looking forward to it.

I really hope its boring and we make very small moves.

I agree. Dump as many players for picks as possible. Sign as much cheap, high upside talent as we can to cap friendly, short term deals with team options, and tank to get that top pick in 2015. He'll, I'd even cut any expensive vets like Bargs or Amare if no team will give up picks or young cheap players for them. There are tons of good big man prospects in the 2015 class. Let's get a cornerstone young big. Come on!

Phil's a smart guy he has to see that next year is a wash and 2015 is when we can sign some impact FA's. Having a top pick to go along with that and he's well on his way to building something nice. I'm hoping he can rehab Shump while he's at it too. Ron Harper 2.0 or at least a poor mans version.

Listen there isn't one single player on the horizon thats worth tanking for. You think Melo is going to stick around for that game plan.

the only 2 things phil has to do this off season, is figure out how to get rondo, or lowery in a knick uniform and hire a real coach.

Once again i'm not concern about the draft in 2015, because veterans win championships, not rookies..

To get Rondo it would cost us taking on Wallace giving up Tim Hardaway JR and a future 1. That would cost us free agency in 2015. Lowry is going to get 9-10mm from Toronto--so that isnt happening. Also if we do take on salary remember that Chandler Amare Bargs are all on last year deals---if we sign Melo to 20mm per wed have little cap space left.

I think we need to spend our money wiser. Are you banking on Amare starting PF next year? I dont know what happened this year-- a year that melo mightve had his best year---Wade has sat more games than any one guy on our roster yet Miami is likely going to win it again. That tells you how far we have to go. Yes we lok good at times and then we look very bad. Were also at the end of a run with some players notably Chandler and Amare. I guess step 1 is to see if Melo will stay and take it from there.

great post.

This year shows how great Lebron and Durant are, playing better than ever without their super-sidekicks for a lot of the season.

We need to build a smart team with many very efficient players and a system that promotes efficiency. Not ISO ball which stifles ball movement and better shot selection.

Actually, Lebron is not playing as well defensively this year. Very bad year to his standards and has been all year. Teammates are needed for both sides of the ball because carrying the load is taxing.

he's sandbagging like crazy. he's so good offensively, so creative, so able to make others better, so efficient, that he can get away with that.

come playoffs, when his offense will be negatively impacted, you can bet your bottom dollar he's going to ratchet up his defense.

I agree with that. He is saving his energy which I think is smart. The Heat don't even need home advantage.

If Durant was not playing like freak and having one of the best years I have ever seen, Lebron has an easy MVP. He as well is playing better than I have ever seen him play and he is doing it alone!

The heat look just like they did in yr one of the big 3, they will lose to San an in the finals

knicks1248 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:It's amazing how we lose 1 key player and a couple of role players and we go from the 2nd best team in the east to the 9th, yet people are saying phil as a tall task ahead of him..

Not sure we were 2nd. Last season started great then we kind of slipped a bit as our elders tired. We struggled to put Boston away and lost to a very good Indy team.

Phil has a lot of work to do. Hire a real GM, most likely a coach, some assistants, resign Melo and either trade or rehab Bargs. If competitive we keep Tyson, but if its a transition year, perhaps trade him as well.

I'd say he has a list.

This will no doubt be an interesting off season. I'm kinda looking forward to it.

I really hope its boring and we make very small moves.

I agree. Dump as many players for picks as possible. Sign as much cheap, high upside talent as we can to cap friendly, short term deals with team options, and tank to get that top pick in 2015. He'll, I'd even cut any expensive vets like Bargs or Amare if no team will give up picks or young cheap players for them. There are tons of good big man prospects in the 2015 class. Let's get a cornerstone young big. Come on!

Phil's a smart guy he has to see that next year is a wash and 2015 is when we can sign some impact FA's. Having a top pick to go along with that and he's well on his way to building something nice. I'm hoping he can rehab Shump while he's at it too. Ron Harper 2.0 or at least a poor mans version.

Listen there isn't one single player on the horizon thats worth tanking for. You think Melo is going to stick around for that game plan.

the only 2 things phil has to do this off season, is figure out how to get rondo, or lowery in a knick uniform and hire a real coach.

Once again i'm not concern about the draft in 2015, because veterans win championships, not rookies..

To get Rondo it would cost us taking on Wallace giving up Tim Hardaway JR and a future 1. That would cost us free agency in 2015. Lowry is going to get 9-10mm from Toronto--so that isnt happening. Also if we do take on salary remember that Chandler Amare Bargs are all on last year deals---if we sign Melo to 20mm per wed have little cap space left.

I think we need to spend our money wiser. Are you banking on Amare starting PF next year? I dont know what happened this year-- a year that melo mightve had his best year---Wade has sat more games than any one guy on our roster yet Miami is likely going to win it again. That tells you how far we have to go. Yes we lok good at times and then we look very bad. Were also at the end of a run with some players notably Chandler and Amare. I guess step 1 is to see if Melo will stay and take it from there.

great post.

This year shows how great Lebron and Durant are, playing better than ever without their super-sidekicks for a lot of the season.

We need to build a smart team with many very efficient players and a system that promotes efficiency. Not ISO ball which stifles ball movement and better shot selection.

Actually, Lebron is not playing as well defensively this year. Very bad year to his standards and has been all year. Teammates are needed for both sides of the ball because carrying the load is taxing.

he's sandbagging like crazy. he's so good offensively, so creative, so able to make others better, so efficient, that he can get away with that.

come playoffs, when his offense will be negatively impacted, you can bet your bottom dollar he's going to ratchet up his defense.

I agree with that. He is saving his energy which I think is smart. The Heat don't even need home advantage.

If Durant was not playing like freak and having one of the best years I have ever seen, Lebron has an easy MVP. He as well is playing better than I have ever seen him play and he is doing it alone!

The heat look just like they did in yr one of the big 3, they will lose to San an in the finals

If that happens, does LeFlop wait around for a total rebuild? Can Riles re-starphuch in short order? Lot's of rings to put on the table with LeQ's 2.