Nalod wrote:

mreinman wrote:

Nalod wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:He's going to be an excellent coach..Go youtube spike lees documentary on kobe, I swear it almost seem like he was thee coach and phil was the assistant

Because Phil empowered him. PHil fueled his leadership and taught him to take over. Kobe had ownership when he did this. Kobe has not gotten along with Tomjanovich, Brown, or MDA. Just Phil.

Kobe is unrelenting and impatient at this stage of his life. Its those very qualities that makes him a killer on the court and It think a not so good executive.

That is far from the truth. He did not get along with Jackson at all. Jackson begged Kupcheck to trade him numerous times and I believe that he stated in his book that he actually gave mitch an ultimatum of "him or me" a couple of times.

Kobe broke plays often and infuriated jackson. And, he was not close to the Lebron's, Durants, Jordan, Wades, NASH's, efficiency. He was a high volume and avg percentage shooter that was one of the best of all time at creating his own (often bad) shots.

He was good enough at creating to average 8-9 assists a game but he was not willing to give up his shots often enough.

He had that crazy fire and will to win (even if that cost him many times) and he was perhaps even a better defender than jordan.

I personally think that he would make a horrible GM. Not the even keel personality that is balanced and rational that a GM would need.

IM thinking the second time Phil came back, after the book, and when Kobe was more mature and receptive.

Kobe has had ownwership in teams in Italy. Didn't he talk about playing there sometime?

I can see him more a Magic Johnson type and wants to be a business mogul and perhaps an owner, or partner.

I can see that

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:He has 5 rings he must know a little bit on what it takes to win. Regardless of that he always came off as a very knowledgeable and dedicated dude when it comes to basketball.

5 rings is not an argument. I hate when people use arguments that do not connect. No offense.

You didn't really present any type of argument. He won 5 championships, and averages 5 ast a game from the SG position. Has won first team all defense multiple times. Your comment about ball movement doesn't really register.

Rodman won many championships, all defense, all heart. That does not make a good argument for him to be a GM.

Kobe was a selfish chucker. He did not play correct basketball and that is not what I want him to teach. Hard to teach players to be all defense but you can teach them proper ball movement. He avg'd 4.8 assists, 4.5 before the last 2 bloated years.

Wade avg'd 6 assists per and was/is super efficient. Much more my type of 2 guard.

You replied with a silly comment about him being a ball hog as if that overrides everything else he brought to the table. Robman didn't win his championships as the best player on the team or looked at as one of the leaders.

Kobe is also known for one of the best work ethics and one of the most dedicated to the game of basketball, I guess these things also don't matter because he was a ball hog at times.

He also came out of high school and didn't the amount of PT that Wade did his first 2 yrs in the league.

Not silly, more like over your head maybe.

Exp:
His selfishness and narcissistic personality was very prevalent as a ballplayer and as a person. These do not translate into leadership roles where its not all about you and you don't have the ball.

Please read this excellent piece by Henry Abbot and let me know what you think:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time

None of this tells me how good he is at evaluating talent coming up in the draft, or his ability to asses value in trades or value though free agency. Or if he is able to attract big name free agents to come to the team or his ability to put a team together that compliments each other.

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:He has 5 rings he must know a little bit on what it takes to win. Regardless of that he always came off as a very knowledgeable and dedicated dude when it comes to basketball.

5 rings is not an argument. I hate when people use arguments that do not connect. No offense.

You didn't really present any type of argument. He won 5 championships, and averages 5 ast a game from the SG position. Has won first team all defense multiple times. Your comment about ball movement doesn't really register.

Rodman won many championships, all defense, all heart. That does not make a good argument for him to be a GM.

Kobe was a selfish chucker. He did not play correct basketball and that is not what I want him to teach. Hard to teach players to be all defense but you can teach them proper ball movement. He avg'd 4.8 assists, 4.5 before the last 2 bloated years.

Wade avg'd 6 assists per and was/is super efficient. Much more my type of 2 guard.

You replied with a silly comment about him being a ball hog as if that overrides everything else he brought to the table. Robman didn't win his championships as the best player on the team or looked at as one of the leaders.

Kobe is also known for one of the best work ethics and one of the most dedicated to the game of basketball, I guess these things also don't matter because he was a ball hog at times.

He also came out of high school and didn't the amount of PT that Wade did his first 2 yrs in the league.

Not silly, more like over your head maybe.

Exp:
His selfishness and narcissistic personality was very prevalent as a ballplayer and as a person. These do not translate into leadership roles where its not all about you and you don't have the ball.

Please read this excellent piece by Henry Abbot and let me know what you think:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time

None of this tells me how good he is at evaluating talent coming up in the draft, or his ability to asses value in trades or value though free agency. Or if he is able to attract big name free agents to come to the team or his ability to put a team together that compliments each other.

What tells you that he is good at any of the above. Great players are good talent evaluators? Kobe is going to attract players because he is kobe?

What makes you think he will make a good GM? You are making the flip argument that just because he was a selfish player that does not "tell you" that he would NOT be good at the above.

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:

mreinman wrote:

newyorknewyork wrote:He has 5 rings he must know a little bit on what it takes to win. Regardless of that he always came off as a very knowledgeable and dedicated dude when it comes to basketball.

5 rings is not an argument. I hate when people use arguments that do not connect. No offense.

You didn't really present any type of argument. He won 5 championships, and averages 5 ast a game from the SG position. Has won first team all defense multiple times. Your comment about ball movement doesn't really register.

Rodman won many championships, all defense, all heart. That does not make a good argument for him to be a GM.

Kobe was a selfish chucker. He did not play correct basketball and that is not what I want him to teach. Hard to teach players to be all defense but you can teach them proper ball movement. He avg'd 4.8 assists, 4.5 before the last 2 bloated years.

Wade avg'd 6 assists per and was/is super efficient. Much more my type of 2 guard.

You replied with a silly comment about him being a ball hog as if that overrides everything else he brought to the table. Robman didn't win his championships as the best player on the team or looked at as one of the leaders.

Kobe is also known for one of the best work ethics and one of the most dedicated to the game of basketball, I guess these things also don't matter because he was a ball hog at times.

He also came out of high school and didn't the amount of PT that Wade did his first 2 yrs in the league.

Not silly, more like over your head maybe.

Exp:
His selfishness and narcissistic personality was very prevalent as a ballplayer and as a person. These do not translate into leadership roles where its not all about you and you don't have the ball.

Please read this excellent piece by Henry Abbot and let me know what you think:

http://espn.go.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/24200/the-truth-about-kobe-bryant-in-crunch-time

None of this tells me how good he is at evaluating talent coming up in the draft, or his ability to asses value in trades or value though free agency. Or if he is able to attract big name free agents to come to the team or his ability to put a team together that compliments each other.

What tells you that he is good at any of the above. Great players are good talent evaluators? Kobe is going to attract players because he is kobe?

What makes you think he will make a good GM? You are making the flip argument that just because he was a selfish player that does not "tell you" that he would NOT be good at the above.

Regardless of that he always came off as a very knowledgeable and dedicated dude when it comes to basketball.

His work ethic and basketball knowledge are 2 attributes I like. I just think he has potential with those characteristics. He works under Phil to gain experience and maybe he turns into something of quality.

Ok. I respect that you like him. I don't and I also don't think he would make a good executive.

He should go into the business side of things. I think you can be a prick and be very successful making money.

I also don't think that Phil has any interest in him unless deep down he harbors hate and wants to emasculate him. That would be wrong.

Nalod wrote:
Larry got to the playoffs. Larry gets Toxic after about two years.

so true.

Next Town Larry Brown aint called that for nothin.

MS wrote:One of the biggest *******s in the league. Kobe would be absolutely terrible in any position where he needs to work with people.

I think the guy is one of the more overrated players in league history. While he is a tremendous talent. Imagine if you put a talented All Star with Shaq in his prime. The guy was breaking down and Wade managed to win a title and had the two of them not been injured they would have won another one. If Joe Dumars drafts Carmelo you're talking about them in the same breathe. Gasol, Odom and Bynum were all tremendous players, guys would kill to have that talent around him.

Phil deserves a lot of credit for balancing that dudes ego.

Very similar to Jordan ego wise, so working with people is probably not an option

I agree with most of what you said outside of the Melo comparison. Melo is far from Kobe because defensively they are worlds apart.