fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Interesting results. I'm impressed that most of the board has him in the $12-17 mil range.

It doesn't look like most of the board is participating.

its a stupid poll. No reality in basis. Melo wont get paid what anyone *thinks* they deserve. Except for a couple guys in the league about every owner and every GM wishes their roster made less.

The contracts these guys sign are usually the # that the team has set where they cant afford to let that player walk for nothing.

The reason talent gets overpaid is because teams cant afford to lose it. Better to have Melo at $20 then let him walk and lose him for nothing because you think $16mm is all he is "worth"

I was listening to Michael Kay and Don Lagrecca(sp? Friday and I thought Don nailed it. He understood the sentiment of starting over, but the thing he kept coming back to (which I agree with) is when Melo walks your back to looking for an all star, all NBA type guy to start building around... or a great scorer who can go get you buckets.

Talent is the big commodity in the NBA. You dont just let $20mm of it walk and think you can go out and get that back when you need it.

"no reality in basis" what does this even mean

it is moronic to talk about money to the exclusion of anything else, especially winning.

what part of cost versus value do you not comprehend?

or have you already concluded that with melo it remains all about money?

smdh

jrodmc wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:ok Who were the 2 who voted for the Supermax?

JRod voting twice?

See that's what I don't like, I get tired of people taking shots at Jrod.

Yeah, especially since I voted 20-24. But then, that's Bonn. His troll-guard business is apparently wearing thin.

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:ok Who were the 2 who voted for the Supermax?

JRod voting twice?

See that's what I don't like, I get tired of people taking shots at Jrod.

Yeah, especially since I voted 20-24. But then, that's Bonn. His troll-guard business is apparently wearing thin.

That's exactly what someone who voted supermax but was then embarrassed by it would say!

No, it's how someone who believes Melo said he would take less would vote. Which is even more MeloLovey than voting supermax. So there.
And I voted first, and then scrolled down and then responded to your snarky comment.

martin will be happy to validate my timestamps and show you that you're wrong again.

Hurry, I hear mrainman and tkf are fighting over Mardy Collins' Winshares quotient in another thread! SuperBonn, winter troll defender to the rescue!

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Interesting results. I'm impressed that most of the board has him in the $12-17 mil range.

It doesn't look like most of the board is participating.

its a stupid poll. No reality in basis. Melo wont get paid what anyone *thinks* they deserve. Except for a couple guys in the league about every owner and every GM wishes their roster made less.

The contracts these guys sign are usually the # that the team has set where they cant afford to let that player walk for nothing.

The reason talent gets overpaid is because teams cant afford to lose it. Better to have Melo at $20 then let him walk and lose him for nothing because you think $16mm is all he is "worth"

I was listening to Michael Kay and Don Lagrecca(sp? Friday and I thought Don nailed it. He understood the sentiment of starting over, but the thing he kept coming back to (which I agree with) is when Melo walks your back to looking for an all star, all NBA type guy to start building around... or a great scorer who can go get you buckets.

Talent is the big commodity in the NBA. You dont just let $20mm of it walk and think you can go out and get that back when you need it.

"no reality in basis" what does this even mean

it is moronic to talk about money to the exclusion of anything else, especially winning.

what part of cost versus value do you not comprehend?

or have you already concluded that with melo it remains all about money?

smdh

Have you ever taken an economics course? Do you understand how markets worth? When you invest in something do you pay what you want? What you feel the value is? Or do you pay what the market dictates? That is why your poll is stupid. If you want to talk about "feelings" like how you "feel" Melo should be paid fine. I get it... your around $12mm and TFK is around zero. I dont really care about that however.

How about you answer this simple question based on how the real world works:

If its the Knicks goal to win games and build a team that can compete for a title which of these scenarios brings you closer to that goal:
1) Knicks resign Melo to 4years/$95mm (20, 22.5, 25, 27.5)
2) Knicks offer Melo $15mm, but wont budge and he walks and Knicks get nothing return

Do tell...

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

yellowboy90 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:ok Who were the 2 who voted for the Supermax?

JRod voting twice?

See that's what I don't like, I get tired of people taking shots at Jrod.

Yeah, especially since I voted 20-24. But then, that's Bonn. His troll-guard business is apparently wearing thin.

That's exactly what someone who voted supermax but was then embarrassed by it would say!

No, it's how someone who believes Melo said he would take less would vote. Which is even more MeloLovey than voting supermax. So there.
And I voted first, and then scrolled down and then responded to your snarky comment.

martin will be happy to validate my timestamps and show you that you're wrong again.

Hurry, I hear mrainman and tkf are fighting over Mardy Collins' Winshares quotient in another thread! SuperBonn, winter troll defender to the rescue!

um, OK. The content of your message seems like you're taking this too seriously but then you put a smiley face after every sentence.

Umm, the smiley faces are a hint that I'm not taking this too seriously. You need subtitles for smilies now? You want me to type in a softer, kinder font?

And the Mardy Collins reference is pure UK gold, and you know it!

Trust your doctor, Bonn. Up your meds now.

i "think" emmanuel chiriqui should come over my place tonight... just because i "think" it should happen, doesn't mean it's gonna happen. i probably got a better chance of dj doing that anyway

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Interesting results. I'm impressed that most of the board has him in the $12-17 mil range.

It doesn't look like most of the board is participating.

its a stupid poll. No reality in basis. Melo wont get paid what anyone *thinks* they deserve. Except for a couple guys in the league about every owner and every GM wishes their roster made less.

The contracts these guys sign are usually the # that the team has set where they cant afford to let that player walk for nothing.

The reason talent gets overpaid is because teams cant afford to lose it. Better to have Melo at $20 then let him walk and lose him for nothing because you think $16mm is all he is "worth"

I was listening to Michael Kay and Don Lagrecca(sp? Friday and I thought Don nailed it. He understood the sentiment of starting over, but the thing he kept coming back to (which I agree with) is when Melo walks your back to looking for an all star, all NBA type guy to start building around... or a great scorer who can go get you buckets.

Talent is the big commodity in the NBA. You dont just let $20mm of it walk and think you can go out and get that back when you need it.

"no reality in basis" what does this even mean

it is moronic to talk about money to the exclusion of anything else, especially winning.

what part of cost versus value do you not comprehend?

or have you already concluded that with melo it remains all about money?

smdh

"shakes my dumb head" is that it means?

Have you ever taken an economics course? Do you understand how markets worth? When you invest in something do you pay what you want? What you feel the value is? Or do you pay what the market dictates? That is why your poll is stupid. If you want to talk about "feelings" like how you "feel" Melo should be paid fine. I get it... your around $12mm and TFK is around zero. I dont really care about that however.

How about you answer this simple question based on how the real world works:

If its the Knicks goal to win games and build a team that can compete for a title which of these scenarios brings you closer to that goal:
1) Knicks resign Melo to 4years/$95mm (20, 22.5, 25, 27.5)
2) Knicks offer Melo $15mm, but wont budge and he walks and Knicks get nothing return

Do tell...

Well we've already seen what happens with choice #1 on a team run by Dolan. And that was with a younger Melo. You're not exactly arguing from a position of strength here!

ya think?!

he isn't worth that money in (1) and the knicks cannot win with him costing that much.

i say let him walk for nothing if that's what it comes down to-- he isn't lebron james or kevin durant-- melo is dolan's sunk cost and good riddance-- and lets see if phil can build a champion once all sources of toxicity have been purged, and that of course includes carmelo anthony.

phil has two rings as a knick player buys him that time and autonomy.

that said-- if melo has grey matter in that skull and it isn't just gristle in there-- he should be able to listen to reason vis a vis what it will take to win a title here with him as one piece. for once i would like to see a number from melo that is not borderline but decisively good. his numbers have been borderline and his salary has been inflated. i am not sure i can tolerate seeing this guy get paid 14-17 million but my faith in phil jackson may ameliorate that intolerance.

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Interesting results. I'm impressed that most of the board has him in the $12-17 mil range.

It doesn't look like most of the board is participating.

its a stupid poll. No reality in basis. Melo wont get paid what anyone *thinks* they deserve. Except for a couple guys in the league about every owner and every GM wishes their roster made less.

The contracts these guys sign are usually the # that the team has set where they cant afford to let that player walk for nothing.

The reason talent gets overpaid is because teams cant afford to lose it. Better to have Melo at $20 then let him walk and lose him for nothing because you think $16mm is all he is "worth"

I was listening to Michael Kay and Don Lagrecca(sp? Friday and I thought Don nailed it. He understood the sentiment of starting over, but the thing he kept coming back to (which I agree with) is when Melo walks your back to looking for an all star, all NBA type guy to start building around... or a great scorer who can go get you buckets.

Talent is the big commodity in the NBA. You dont just let $20mm of it walk and think you can go out and get that back when you need it.

"no reality in basis" what does this even mean

it is moronic to talk about money to the exclusion of anything else, especially winning.

what part of cost versus value do you not comprehend?

or have you already concluded that with melo it remains all about money?

smdh

"shakes my dumb head" is that it means?

Have you ever taken an economics course? Do you understand how markets worth? When you invest in something do you pay what you want? What you feel the value is? Or do you pay what the market dictates? That is why your poll is stupid. If you want to talk about "feelings" like how you "feel" Melo should be paid fine. I get it... your around $12mm and TFK is around zero. I dont really care about that however.

How about you answer this simple question based on how the real world works:

If its the Knicks goal to win games and build a team that can compete for a title which of these scenarios brings you closer to that goal:
1) Knicks resign Melo to 4years/$95mm (20, 22.5, 25, 27.5)
2) Knicks offer Melo $15mm, but wont budge and he walks and Knicks get nothing return

Do tell...

Well we've already seen what happens with choice #1 on a team run by Dolan. And that was with a younger Melo. You're not exactly arguing from a position of strength here!

ya think?!

he isn't worth that money in (1) and the knicks cannot win with him costing that much.

i say let him walk for nothing if that's what it comes down to-- he isn't lebron james or kevin durant-- melo is dolan's sunk cost and good riddance-- and lets see if phil can build a champion once all sources of toxicity have been purged, and that of course includes carmelo anthony.

phil has two rings as a knick player buys him that time and autonomy.

that said-- if melo has grey matter in that skull and it isn't just gristle in there-- he should be able to listen to reason vis a vis what it will take to win a title here with him as one piece. for once i would like to see a number from melo that is not borderline but decisively good. his numbers have been borderline and his salary has been inflated. i am not sure i can tolerate seeing this guy get paid 14-17 million but my faith in phil jackson may ameliorate that intolerance.

nice way to type a lot of words that do not answer the question. Again.. your feelings aside you think the Knicks are better off letting him walk for nothing than paying him over... Give me the #. Please. You can do it.

i think he is worth no more than 14 million a year to the knicks. if he is worth more than that to other teams who are in a better position to win it all then he should leave even if it means one less year on a contract and less annually from someplace else to boot, which i believe is and will be a factor in his own deliberations. that is a piece of leverage that jackson possesses. "leave and you will be paid less and will have one less year on a contract."

if melo wants more than 14 million from the knicks then he is not living in reality and has not digested or reflected on his own worth to the knicks in terms of remaining in new york in pursuit of a title.

again, what does melo value more?

i am going to throw this out there: whatever money he may be offered to play elsewhere you subtract 7-8 million to account for one less year and that we overpaid for him in the first contract.

14 million is a reasonable price to pay for carmelo anthony.

this nonsense about him needing to see a plan is a distraction and frankly an insult to the knicks and their fans-- melo stop acting the primadonna! you want a plan to emerge with YOU in it then start off by offering to play for 14 million! screw what the market will bear-- that has to do with cost only not value.

jrodmc wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:I voted for 20-24 million. It keeps him on par with players similar to him around the league. Players have to take less to play in NY under the current set up which is not tax adjusted. It is unrealistic to ask him to take 14 and effectively get paid less than players like D'Andre Jordan. 20-24 is the only realistic number he can take to play here. If he wants to take less on paper only (i.e. Lebron, Bosh, Howard), he can sign with Houston or Dallas if they can clear space. They need to tax adjust the cap to eliminate this loop hole. Howard may have wanted out of LA but saving 14% in tax by going to Hou makes it easier to leave the extra money LA can offer on the table.

+1
the voice of reason. I voted the same, but will hope against hope that someone of substance will want to come here and Melo will take even less than my vote to make it happen.

I believe Melo has enough brain matter to realize the end of those knees is near. Playing in Houston or in LA without Blake or D'andre is not getting him a ring. Kobe is toast. And just about anywhere else is more of a pipedream than NYC.

He will make his bed here, and PJax is smart enough to know that 68 + 5 year plan does not equate to a great exit legacy with this owner and no experience at draft building. He needs Melo and Melo needs him for this to work for either one of them.

Like fish is saying, where you gonna get this production?

replacing melo's type of production is like addition through subtraction. he makes others around him worse and is a miserable failure in the playoffs. so removing him should not be as big of a problem as you are making it out to be.

in case you haven't realized-- the knicks will be rebuilding. if he doesn't want to stick around for a rebuild then he should leave. he will be reviled forever for doing so but he made this bed.