NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:You're not done no one is.

It's more fun with sponsored jerseys now we have better heroes

I was a huge Yankee fan..Use to go to the stadium with friends..Took my kid there a few years back and bought a hot dogs and sodas my friends, their kids and mine..Cost an absolute fortune...I felt I was paying for Arod's deal..I stop going to the stadium and cut back watching the Yankee/baseball in general ..It's small but there is a line...

Dude, that's the case for any sporting event. That's why you eat before you go or you smuggle **** in like any normal cheapskate.

I think you are missing the general point...It's not about the individual act as not buying food at the stadium per se, but when is enough, enough..So we are just going along to get along..Is there no point where u make a stand??

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:I'll watch the Knicks, but I won't watch the rest of the NBA....Greed!!!..If Jerome James and Fishlips can get 30 million dollar contracts, then there is plenty of money in the NBA..If Melo and Amare can be paid 20+ mil per, then there is plenty of money in the NBA..The rest is just Greed...I'm done...I was a huge NFL fan..I watched football all day Sunday and looked forward to Monday Night Football..They saturated it by adding Sunday Night Football and now Thursday Nights..Greed..I rarely watch other games..Just the Giants and the playoffs...How many boats can one man jet ski behind??...My cable bill sky rockets as a result...This goes a bit deeper with me...Can't get into it here...County taxes have no ceiling...New school buses almost every year??...State of the art fire stations??...I have never seen a fire house with 6 bays until I moved into my hood...My taxes keep climbing...Greed!!!...

Dolan just put a billion dollars of his own money into the Garden, there is plenty of money in the NBA...

Why do you even care? Personally, I think that professional sports is a leech on society (tax payer money sponsoring private profit) and that it should be socialized to instead benefit the community they operate in. Still, I don't get why ads on jerseys would be the breaking point for you.

Why do I care???...Is this a real question??..Do u have any clue of what sports and the add on's is costing everything around you???..Do you know what ESPN and MSG for that matter means to your capable bill??

This is going to be a prime example of the pot calling the kettle black but why are you so goddamn pissy? Answer my question, so that maybe I could understand your point of view. I don't see how ad's on jerseys will lead to the destruction of America.

In layman's terms, I understand it's a business and my attachment to the game is of pure love for the sport...If you are going to remind me constantly that it's a business and you are milking it for as much money as you can then I won't support your effort doing so..

Again, I'm not the type that presumes that corporatist culture is something sacred. I already said that I thought professional sports should be socialized, which should've been a clue. Even so, I don't think that ads on jerseys are such a sinister thing especially when you juxtapose it to the NFL and NHL holding nonprofit status, public money going toward building stadiums, etc.

No it's shouldn't be socialized..Just don't use public money for stadiums, etc..

Either or I suppose. From a fan's perspective, I like the socialized aspect more because my money could go toward funding a hospital rather than James Dolan. I'd also like to think that the experience would cheaper.

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:I'll watch the Knicks, but I won't watch the rest of the NBA....Greed!!!..If Jerome James and Fishlips can get 30 million dollar contracts, then there is plenty of money in the NBA..If Melo and Amare can be paid 20+ mil per, then there is plenty of money in the NBA..The rest is just Greed...I'm done...I was a huge NFL fan..I watched football all day Sunday and looked forward to Monday Night Football..They saturated it by adding Sunday Night Football and now Thursday Nights..Greed..I rarely watch other games..Just the Giants and the playoffs...How many boats can one man jet ski behind??...My cable bill sky rockets as a result...This goes a bit deeper with me...Can't get into it here...County taxes have no ceiling...New school buses almost every year??...State of the art fire stations??...I have never seen a fire house with 6 bays until I moved into my hood...My taxes keep climbing...Greed!!!...

Dolan just put a billion dollars of his own money into the Garden, there is plenty of money in the NBA...

Why do you even care? Personally, I think that professional sports is a leech on society (tax payer money sponsoring private profit) and that it should be socialized to instead benefit the community they operate in. Still, I don't get why ads on jerseys would be the breaking point for you.

Why do I care???...Is this a real question??..Do u have any clue of what sports and the add on's is costing everything around you???..Do you know what ESPN and MSG for that matter means to your capable bill??

This is going to be a prime example of the pot calling the kettle black but why are you so goddamn pissy? Answer my question, so that maybe I could understand your point of view. I don't see how ad's on jerseys will lead to the destruction of America.

In layman's terms, I understand it's a business and my attachment to the game is of pure love for the sport...If you are going to remind me constantly that it's a business and you are milking it for as much money as you can then I won't support your effort doing so..

Again, I'm not the type that presumes that corporatist culture is something sacred. I already said that I thought professional sports should be socialized, which should've been a clue. Even so, I don't think that ads on jerseys are such a sinister thing especially when you juxtapose it to the NFL and NHL holding nonprofit status, public money going toward building stadiums, etc.

No it's shouldn't be socialized..Just don't use public money for stadiums, etc..

Either or I suppose. From a fan's perspective, I like the socialized aspect more because my money could go toward funding a hospital rather than James Dolan. I'd also like to think that the experience would cheaper.

The problem with u you are advocating is the it's the choice of the city,state, or County to do so..For example, New Jersey gave the Giants huge tax incentive and an offer to help build the stadium if they moved there..The Giants accepted...NJ didn't have to do that..They reap taxes in return..

Getting sponsor money does not in any way increase the cost to the customer - if anything, as it provides non-ticket/concession revenue, could argue it could lead to reduced ticket price increases in the future, so not sure why the outrcry financially.

holfresh wrote:Where do u draw the line??..I read somewhere that a cable company is charging it's customers a "Dodgers tax" for the tv deal that station cut with the Dodgers..Something like $2.00 per month, across the entire country...You probably don't like the Dodgers or even watch baseball but you are paying the tax...

...that has nothing to do with ads on jerseys though.

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:Where do u draw the line??..I read somewhere that a cable company is charging it's customers a "Dodgers tax" for the tv deal that station cut with the Dodgers..Something like $2.00 per month, across the entire country...You probably don't like the Dodgers or even watch baseball but you are paying the tax...

...that has nothing to do with ads on jerseys though.

Sure it does, you are being reminded of the general greed in sports and they have zero qualms about putting it in your face..

Welcome to America, where our mantra is "greed is good". It didn't take ads on jerseys for me to realize that. I suppose that's why I still could care less what they put on them.

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:Where do u draw the line??..I read somewhere that a cable company is charging it's customers a "Dodgers tax" for the tv deal that station cut with the Dodgers..Something like $2.00 per month, across the entire country...You probably don't like the Dodgers or even watch baseball but you are paying the tax...

...that has nothing to do with ads on jerseys though.

Sure it does, you are being reminded of the general greed in sports and they have zero qualms about putting it in your face..

Welcome to America, where our mantra is "greed is good". It didn't take ads on jerseys for me to realize that. I suppose that's why I still could care less what they put on them.

And you think it won't affect you ...This generate more revenue for teams and the NBA, the players want a bigger cut, so owners raise ticket prices and tv prices..ESPN now charges u $5/6 per month..So $10 per is still good??..They will be in your pockets and u won't even know it...As long as we consume, they will push the envelope...

earthmansurfer wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:I'll watch the Knicks, but I won't watch the rest of the NBA....Greed!!!..If Jerome James and Fishlips can get 30 million dollar contracts, then there is plenty of money in the NBA..If Melo and Amare can be paid 20+ mil per, then there is plenty of money in the NBA..The rest is just Greed...I'm done...I was a huge NFL fan..I watched football all day Sunday and looked forward to Monday Night Football..They saturated it by adding Sunday Night Football and now Thursday Nights..Greed..I rarely watch other games..Just the Giants and the playoffs...How many boats can one man jet ski behind??...My cable bill sky rockets as a result...This goes a bit deeper with me...Can't get into it here...County taxes have no ceiling...New school buses almost every year??...State of the art fire stations??...I have never seen a fire house with 6 bays until I moved into my hood...My taxes keep climbing...Greed!!!...

Dolan just put a billion dollars of his own money into the Garden, there is plenty of money in the NBA...

Why do you even care? Personally, I think that professional sports is a leech on society (tax payer money sponsoring private profit) and that it should be socialized to instead benefit the community they operate in. Still, I don't get why ads on jerseys would be the breaking point for you.

Have we all seen the trend, Socialize risk and privatize profits.
The good news is that stateless cryptographic money (e.g. Bitcoin) is starting to change the game. Taking power from corrupt States/Banks and putting it back in peoples hands.
No more just printing money and going to war.
And I love the idea of the public buying back companies to put the money back in everyone's hands and not just a select few. That, is criminal.

I'm kicking myself for not investing in Bitcoin when I had the chance but c'est la vie. Still, I question the structural integrity of the whole thing and wouldn't put serious money in it especially after the recent hacker incidents. Either way, there needs to be more done to corral corporate America, justice system and our politicians. Both are wholly corrupt.

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:I'll watch the Knicks, but I won't watch the rest of the NBA....Greed!!!..If Jerome James and Fishlips can get 30 million dollar contracts, then there is plenty of money in the NBA..If Melo and Amare can be paid 20+ mil per, then there is plenty of money in the NBA..The rest is just Greed...I'm done...I was a huge NFL fan..I watched football all day Sunday and looked forward to Monday Night Football..They saturated it by adding Sunday Night Football and now Thursday Nights..Greed..I rarely watch other games..Just the Giants and the playoffs...How many boats can one man jet ski behind??...My cable bill sky rockets as a result...This goes a bit deeper with me...Can't get into it here...County taxes have no ceiling...New school buses almost every year??...State of the art fire stations??...I have never seen a fire house with 6 bays until I moved into my hood...My taxes keep climbing...Greed!!!...

Dolan just put a billion dollars of his own money into the Garden, there is plenty of money in the NBA...

Why do you even care? Personally, I think that professional sports is a leech on society (tax payer money sponsoring private profit) and that it should be socialized to instead benefit the community they operate in. Still, I don't get why ads on jerseys would be the breaking point for you.

Why do I care???...Is this a real question??..Do u have any clue of what sports and the add on's is costing everything around you???..Do you know what ESPN and MSG for that matter means to your capable bill??

This is going to be a prime example of the pot calling the kettle black but why are you so goddamn pissy? Answer my question, so that maybe I could understand your point of view. I don't see how ad's on jerseys will lead to the destruction of America.

In layman's terms, I understand it's a business and my attachment to the game is of pure love for the sport...If you are going to remind me constantly that it's a business and you are milking it for as much money as you can then I won't support your effort doing so..

Again, I'm not the type that presumes that corporatist culture is something sacred. I already said that I thought professional sports should be socialized, which should've been a clue. Even so, I don't think that ads on jerseys are such a sinister thing especially when you juxtapose it to the NFL and NHL holding nonprofit status, public money going toward building stadiums, etc.

No it's shouldn't be socialized..Just don't use public money for stadiums, etc..

Either or I suppose. From a fan's perspective, I like the socialized aspect more because my money could go toward funding a hospital rather than James Dolan. I'd also like to think that the experience would cheaper.

The problem with u you are advocating is the it's the choice of the city,state, or County to do so..For example, New Jersey gave the Giants huge tax incentive and an offer to help build the stadium if they moved there..The Giants accepted...NJ didn't have to do that..They reap taxes in return..

What tax revenues did NJ reap in return? The NFL is classified as a nonprofit. The guise they use to swindle tax payer money is that it benefits local businesses and creates jobs. Excuse me for being condescending but I don't think the service industry, where people can make as little as $2.50/hr, is considered a job, let alone something that we should invest tens of millions of dollars on.

I missed this earlier..The "NFL" as an association is classified as a tax-exempt organization not the individual teams...The Giants pay taxes, it's a sweetheart deal dating back to 1970 when the Meadowlands was first built but they pay taxes..A few years back, East Rutherford( the town) sued them for back taxes owed...