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I'm really curious what the numbers would be on this poll. Melo vs. H20


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The Spree poll is closer than I thought so I really got to thinking what people would vote like in a poll with H20.
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smackeddog
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3/21/2014  6:24 PM
mreinman wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
mreinman wrote:
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mreinman wrote:I would have taken Jeff Hornacek over Spreewel and Houston in a nano second.

What an underrated player vs 2 very overrated players.

Jeff Hornacek?!?!?!

Is this a joke/trick question?

I was thinking that about your statement!

You compared their stats before asking me that?

I never liked him as a player- I loved Sprewell's defense and competitive fire, and I loved what Houston did for us in the playoffs. Never enjoyed watching Hornacek- would be have gotten to the finals with him instead of Sprewell or Houston? Nope!

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3/21/2014  6:28 PM
smackeddog wrote:
mreinman wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
mreinman wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
mreinman wrote:I would have taken Jeff Hornacek over Spreewel and Houston in a nano second.

What an underrated player vs 2 very overrated players.

Jeff Hornacek?!?!?!

Is this a joke/trick question?

I was thinking that about your statement!

You compared their stats before asking me that?

I never liked him as a player- I loved Sprewell's defense and competitive fire, and I loved what Houston did for us in the playoffs. Never enjoyed watching Hornacek- would be have gotten to the finals with him instead of Sprewell or Houston? Nope!

So sprewell had competitive fire that Hornacek lacked and Houston's stats were better than hornacek's? Regular season? Post season?

And after you check that, to top it all off, I believe that Hornacek got paid a combined salary of 26 million bucks!! I guess that's why they were the Utah organization and not the dumbass knicks.

The only argument at all that can be made is that sprewell was the better defender. Houston was not.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/21/2014  6:33 PM
mreinman wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
mreinman wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
mreinman wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
mreinman wrote:I would have taken Jeff Hornacek over Spreewel and Houston in a nano second.

What an underrated player vs 2 very overrated players.

Jeff Hornacek?!?!?!

Is this a joke/trick question?

I was thinking that about your statement!

You compared their stats before asking me that?

I never liked him as a player- I loved Sprewell's defense and competitive fire, and I loved what Houston did for us in the playoffs. Never enjoyed watching Hornacek- would be have gotten to the finals with him instead of Sprewell or Houston? Nope!

So sprewell had competitive fire that Hornacek lacked and Houston's stats were better than hornacek's? Regular season? Post season?

And after you check that, to top it all off, I believe that Hornacek got paid a combined salary of 26 million bucks!! I guess that's why they were the Utah organization and not the dumbass knicks.

The only argument at all that can be made is that sprewell was the better defender. Houston was not.

Not everything's about stats- my favourite players aren't the players who simply have the best stats.

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3/21/2014  6:37 PM
smackeddog wrote:
mreinman wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
mreinman wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
mreinman wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
mreinman wrote:I would have taken Jeff Hornacek over Spreewel and Houston in a nano second.

What an underrated player vs 2 very overrated players.

Jeff Hornacek?!?!?!

Is this a joke/trick question?

I was thinking that about your statement!

You compared their stats before asking me that?

I never liked him as a player- I loved Sprewell's defense and competitive fire, and I loved what Houston did for us in the playoffs. Never enjoyed watching Hornacek- would be have gotten to the finals with him instead of Sprewell or Houston? Nope!

So sprewell had competitive fire that Hornacek lacked and Houston's stats were better than hornacek's? Regular season? Post season?

And after you check that, to top it all off, I believe that Hornacek got paid a combined salary of 26 million bucks!! I guess that's why they were the Utah organization and not the dumbass knicks.

The only argument at all that can be made is that sprewell was the better defender. Houston was not.

Not everything's about stats- my favourite players aren't the players who simply have the best stats.

"favorite" players are usually overrated by the ones who view them as their favorites.

Its not even close btw. If it was then I can see how one can (possibly) be swayed with intangibles.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/21/2014  6:38 PM
Jeff was a good player. Very gritty. I have not looked at their numbers but when I think of Hornacek I think about how joe dumars helped Isaiah.

I think you do have to ask the question how much Sloan's system helped his players.

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3/21/2014  6:41 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:Jeff was a good player. Very gritty. I have not looked at their numbers but when I think of Hornacek I think about how joe dumars helped Isaiah.

I think you do have to ask the question how much Sloan's system helped his players.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=houstal01&y1=2005&p2=hornaje01&y2=2000

I am sure that Sloan's system helped everyone including stockton and malone. Hornacek played for Phx and Phi too and he was consistently excellent.

So sad how bad players used to be undervalued and overvalued.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/21/2014  10:05 PM
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3/22/2014  8:06 AM
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gunsnewing wrote:H20 was a good 3rd even 4th option on a championship caliber team. Very good player. In classic knick fashion we paid him like a franchise player

The only way Houston gets to start on a championship team is if the opposing team has a bad 2 guard. Houston was nothing more than a spot up shooter and a defensive liability. Couldn't dribble, couldn't drive, couldn't pass, couldn't post, couldn't rebound. Him getting to start over Spree at the two was a biggest joke of all time. Should have traded him the first chance we got. Many of the same people that kill Melo for little things used to worship Houston. I cannot believe that tool got 2 votes over Melo.

Yet somehow we got to the finals with him as our starting 2 guard...


guns and I both said championship team, not 2nd place team. Guess you are happy with the 2nd place team.
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3/22/2014  10:02 AM
I hate Melo but even I like him more than H20.
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3/22/2014  10:46 AM
Silverfuel wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:H20 was a good 3rd even 4th option on a championship caliber team. Very good player. In classic knick fashion we paid him like a franchise player

The only way Houston gets to start on a championship team is if the opposing team has a bad 2 guard. Houston was nothing more than a spot up shooter and a defensive liability. Couldn't dribble, couldn't drive, couldn't pass, couldn't post, couldn't rebound. Him getting to start over Spree at the two was a biggest joke of all time. Should have traded him the first chance we got. Many of the same people that kill Melo for little things used to worship Houston. I cannot believe that tool got 2 votes over Melo.
silver... Simply not true. You seem to remember the 34 year old Houston with bad knees. The one I remember was more this this:
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3/22/2014  12:30 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/22/2014  12:31 PM
True. My problem was the post 1999 H20. The one that, due to injury or for other reasons under performed after the max contract. 1999 was amazing but it was also his contract year. Many of the same people that are killing Melo for possibly getting the max were telling me Houston was only human for taking the max. He barely defended or rebounded or passed the ball but Melo gets called a ball hog despite having a better FG%. I remember going back and forth with so many people, some that still post here today.

Having said that, what true knick fan will not have fond memories of H20 for doing this:

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3/22/2014  1:02 PM
In a lot of ways Houston became the poster boy for Knick stupidity. They bid against themselves giving him a max deal. Then he gets hurt and is a $100mm jump shooter. Hard to blame Houston for that. Always thought he played hard. Different player then spree
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3/22/2014  1:42 PM
fishmike wrote:In a lot of ways Houston became the poster boy for Knick stupidity. They bid against themselves giving him a max deal. Then he gets hurt and is a $100mm jump shooter. Hard to blame Houston for that. Always thought he played hard. Different player then spree

Yep, Blame Dolan if you hated his contract. Didn't H2O have micro fracture surgery twice, and the Knicks kept it quiet? I think that played a big part in his decline after 1999, rather than it being a case of him just cashing in.

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3/22/2014  1:45 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/22/2014  1:47 PM
Silverfuel wrote:
smackeddog wrote:
Silverfuel wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:H20 was a good 3rd even 4th option on a championship caliber team. Very good player. In classic knick fashion we paid him like a franchise player

The only way Houston gets to start on a championship team is if the opposing team has a bad 2 guard. Houston was nothing more than a spot up shooter and a defensive liability. Couldn't dribble, couldn't drive, couldn't pass, couldn't post, couldn't rebound. Him getting to start over Spree at the two was a biggest joke of all time. Should have traded him the first chance we got. Many of the same people that kill Melo for little things used to worship Houston. I cannot believe that tool got 2 votes over Melo.

Yet somehow we got to the finals with him as our starting 2 guard...


guns and I both said championship team, not 2nd place team. Guess you are happy with the 2nd place team.

But you're making out that he's trash- getting to 2nd place is a huge achievement. By any chance, is this you? :

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3/22/2014  2:04 PM
^ where is that from?
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3/22/2014  2:28 PM
Silverfuel wrote:^ where is that from?

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3/22/2014  11:40 PM
Can we talk more about Hornacek vs Houston? That ended way too prematurely. Perhaps that can be the next idiotic poll
so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/24/2014  9:54 AM
dk7th wrote:there are 100 million reasons to not like allan houston.

+1: a quality economic thought buried in the quagmire.

$100 million for a hard working guy who managed to coin the ability to disappear in various points of the second half. Melo might suhuck this season late in games, but you don't have to worry about what exit ramp he's taken. He's there.

This, of course, might cause some people to put the super power of invisibility as a plus compared to our Mooby.

I'm really curious what the numbers would be on this poll. Melo vs. H20

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