Nalod wrote:Guys, PJax had to sell his vision and knicks had to buy it.

Is it a tear down or a restructure?

We don't know. Tomorrow might be telling. Phil won't commit to a coach until the off season. He'll also hire a day to day GM unless thats what Mills will be doing. Will they get along? Im sure they have discussed it. Its all been discussed.

Just not with us.

MY take is we will see the triangle because thats how Phil rolls. The coach will be an extension of him. The players from there.

Melo and Bargs can play this system. Is felton a good enough shooter because the 1's get wide open looks in teh corner. If not, move him out. Shump can play in the triangle. Hardaway IM not sure has developed the other intangables. Flu Tyson has shown a decent 10 footer from time to time and he can play it also. IN fact Im intrigued by Bargs. I could be wrong, but thats Phils job isn't it? can stat play it? I don't know, he looks like he is a more willing passer and his game has evolved over the last two years. I doubt we take on bad contracts unless phil sees a player that can thrive in his system.

Bargs is beyond help in my opinion. I believe the knicks O ranked 25 in off eff and has ranked #4 since he has been out. Bargs might not get another NBA contract over the vet min.

Time will tell.. it always does but I feel better about this hiring than any other, including Walsh. Lets see what they say tomorrow

fishmike wrote:cant compare Larry Brown except for the money, but that garden was an epic zoo. PJ is in here to build the whole thing. Unless you have a sitation where Dolan says you cant hire that guy or this guy and things blow up, but Jimmy may be dumb but he's not that dumb. He's not brining PJ in here blind. Nalod nailed it.. Dolan knows Phil's plan. The conversations have taken place, just not with us (maybe w/ mr ear).

Time will tell.. it always does but I feel better about this hiring than any other, including Walsh. Lets see what they say tomorrow

It's a two way street, Dolan knows Phil's plan but Phil is here to implement Dolan's vision..Dude isn't getting 12/15 mil per for giggles..

yellowboy90 wrote:Bargs is beyond help in my opinion. I believe the knicks O ranked 25 in off eff and has ranked #4 since he has been out. Bargs might not get another NBA contract over the vet min.

You really think that the offense being bad was because of Bargnani? There were so many other issues at that time that had NOTHING to do with him. He's not a great player, but he could have a real role if coached up and used properly. For one thing when he was playing Center for us, he was able to defend at a high level against every big we faced save for the smaller, more mobile ones. He frustrated all the big C's we faced and the team was winning games with him in the middle and Tyson out. More important to me is using him better, which Woody clearly had no clue how to do that.

I would love to see what Phil thinks about Bargs and if he feels he can reach him at all. I think Bargs is now clearly a back up center in this league. He's no longer the giant SF that he was playing back in the day. I'd have him go on a serious training program to increase his strength and work on his post moves and passing out of the post. We're gonna pay him anyway might as well see what we can get out of him.

Nalod wrote:Bargs at the top of the key at 7 foot can do things not too many players can.

This is about resurrecting talent in a system that enhances a players strength. Bargs can put the ball on the floor and go to the hoop, he can hit a long shot, mid range and if he can pass, he becomes a threat in a system. I don't like him out on the wing.

I could be totally wrong, but we'll see what the ZenMaster does.

are you in complete facetious mode?

holfresh wrote:Having Phil Jackson on board is just awesome...We haven't had a positive/winning influence in this organization like this since Riley...He can be huge for Melo because I think Melo can improve with a cerebral approach to his game..This can be huge for Shump as well..He needs a mentor, pronto....Phil is well respected..My enthusiasm is tempered given Phil's age and maybe his level of involvement(hearing 50/50 time in LA)..Phil has 5 years to clean up this mess,let hope it doesn't take that long ..

phil is not the coach. he may not even be in ny. he will not be travelling with the team. he will not be having that daily interaction between coach and player like he did in chicago + la. riley was with ewing every day...with starks + oak. jackson was with kobe + shaq every day - managing their egos. i don't think this is the same thing. and if he hires a rookie coach, it will be an even bigger mistake. the major problem is that he doesn't have the assets to make the necessary moves. everything is all in again for a FA in 2015. maybe he delivers lebron? but if he doesn't, it's another failure.

holfresh wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

holfresh wrote:Having Phil Jackson on board is just awesome...We haven't had a positive/winning influence in this organization like this since Riley...He can be huge for Melo because I think Melo can improve with a cerebral approach to his game..This can be huge for Shump as well..He needs a mentor, pronto....Phil is well respected..My enthusiasm is tempered given Phil's age and maybe his level of involvement(hearing 50/50 time in LA)..Phil has 5 years to clean up this mess,let hope it doesn't take that long ..

phil is not the coach. he may not even be in ny. he will not be travelling with the team. he will not be having that daily interaction between coach and player like he did in chicago + la. riley was with ewing every day...with starks + oak. jackson was with kobe + shaq every day - managing their egos. i don't think this is the same thing. and if he hires a rookie coach, it will be an even bigger mistake. the major problem is that he doesn't have the assets to make the necessary moves. everything is all in again for a FA in 2015. maybe he delivers lebron? but if he doesn't, it's another failure.

You are right, it's not the same thing...I really think he has to bring in a vet coach as well...But that said, Melo needs an elder statesman in the organization to talk to...The way Melo improves is if he trust his teammates...Right now there is no one...Shump needs some one who he respect that can direct him...A coach like JVG or Hollins can work...Also, if u bring in a vet, he isn't running the triangle...

would love jvg but cannot see him coexisting with pjax at all.

fishmike wrote:

mreinman wrote:

holfresh wrote:

djsunyc wrote:

holfresh wrote:Having Phil Jackson on board is just awesome...We haven't had a positive/winning influence in this organization like this since Riley...He can be huge for Melo because I think Melo can improve with a cerebral approach to his game..This can be huge for Shump as well..He needs a mentor, pronto....Phil is well respected..My enthusiasm is tempered given Phil's age and maybe his level of involvement(hearing 50/50 time in LA)..Phil has 5 years to clean up this mess,let hope it doesn't take that long ..

phil is not the coach. he may not even be in ny. he will not be travelling with the team. he will not be having that daily interaction between coach and player like he did in chicago + la. riley was with ewing every day...with starks + oak. jackson was with kobe + shaq every day - managing their egos. i don't think this is the same thing. and if he hires a rookie coach, it will be an even bigger mistake. the major problem is that he doesn't have the assets to make the necessary moves. everything is all in again for a FA in 2015. maybe he delivers lebron? but if he doesn't, it's another failure.

You are right, it's not the same thing...I really think he has to bring in a vet coach as well...But that said, Melo needs an elder statesman in the organization to talk to...The way Melo improves is if he trust his teammates...Right now there is no one...Shump needs some one who he respect that can direct him...A coach like JVG or Hollins can work...Also, if u bring in a vet, he isn't running the triangle...

would love jvg but cannot see him coexisting with pjax at all.

they dont like each other... scratch the thought

Not just that. PJax cannot have a veteran with such an ego under him. Hollins is anti advanced stats so I have no interest in him.

I like the Kerr idea. Reminds me a Hornacek and he is doing a good job with that Phx team.