fitzfarm wrote:49 I'm not looking at his career I'm looking at his rookie stats 87/88

Here you go:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=millere01&y1=1988&p2=hardati02&y2=2014

Its not close. FG, rebounds, assists ...

THJ does kill him in 3 point attempts though so that's nice

fitzfarm wrote:Timmy is shooting 38 percent from downtown and 43 from the field Reggie shot 35 percent from downtown 48 percent from the field . Both averaging 10 points a game that's pretty close in my book

points per game is a meaningless stat. efficiency is far more important. see previous comment about 3 pt attemtps 6.9 vs 3.4.

49 vs 43 is not even close!

not to single you out but why do knick fans do this? compare our players to HOFers.

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:49 I'm not looking at his career I'm looking at his rookie stats 87/88

Here you go:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=millere01&y1=1988&p2=hardati02&y2=2014

Its not close. FG, rebounds, assists ...

THJ does kill him in 3 point attempts though so that's nice

3.5 shots made 8.2 attempted thjr
3.7 shots made 7.4 attempted miller

Minutes 22 each

1.6 threes made 4.4 attempted thjr
O.7 threes made 2.1 attempted miller

Free throw percentage 83% thjr
Free throw percentage 80% miller

I think that's close thjr was more aggressive his rookie year then miller was.. I'm saying he's right there and has talent to be just as good I see thjr averaging 16 pts per next year with more time . Just like miller received his sophomore year in the league.

You also have to include FTA and not just FT%. Miller around 1 more FTA. On top f that he grabbed more boards and ast. You would have a better argument if Timmy didn't have such a terrible February but he did. If he finishes the season strong he could approach Reggie's efficiency as a shooter though. I bet their efficiency was closer before February. I still see Hardaway as another Courtney Lee but who knows. I just hope he rounds out his game like J.J. Redick did offensively and become a way better defender. He puts in effort he just seems to lack awareness, understanding, and lateral quickness via read/reaction.

yellowboy90 wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:

mreinman wrote:

fitzfarm wrote:49 I'm not looking at his career I'm looking at his rookie stats 87/88

Here you go:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=millere01&y1=1988&p2=hardati02&y2=2014

Its not close. FG, rebounds, assists ...

THJ does kill him in 3 point attempts though so that's nice

3.5 shots made 8.2 attempted thjr
3.7 shots made 7.4 attempted miller

Minutes 22 each

1.6 threes made 4.4 attempted thjr
O.7 threes made 2.1 attempted miller

Free throw percentage 83% thjr
Free throw percentage 80% miller

I think that's close thjr was more aggressive his rookie year then miller was.. I'm saying he's right there and has talent to be just as good I see thjr averaging 16 pts per next year with more time . Just like miller received his sophomore year in the league.

You also have to include FTA and not just FT%. Miller around 1 more FTA. On top f that he grabbed more boards and ast. You would have a better argument if Timmy didn't have such a terrible February but he did. If he finishes the season strong he could approach Reggie's efficiency as a shooter though. I bet their efficiency was closer before February. I still see Hardaway as another Courtney Lee but who knows. I just hope he rounds out his game like J.J. Redick did offensively and become a way better defender. He puts in effort he just seems to lack awareness, understanding, and lateral quickness via read/reaction.

Thats pretty fair.

I am sure that Miller had a rough stretch in there as well. We can't just pick and choose. Lets see how he finishes the season.

The guy he reminds me of is JJ Redick if I was forced to make a comparison, and JJ is playing some damn good ball, but it took him some time to move from a guy who really get his shot off to being a complete NBA player.

THjr will obviously have great direction from daddy in terms of what he needs to do to be a good player in the NBA. He will also get advice on how to milk the Knicks for every penny because daddy still hates em and is pretty open about that.

knicks1248 wrote:The only thing that bothers me about THJ, he is ridiculously inconsistent. The same way he is on fire for 2 to 3 games he will follow that with 2 to 3 games off, thats the same exact thing that was going on with him in his entire college career. Thats why he fell so low in the draft. I would see him carry michigan for a stretch of games then shot 29% for the another stretch..

You look at the good players in he league and if their strength is taken away from them they find other ways to help the team. When Timmy is hitting shots hes great. When he's not he does nothing else to help the Knicks. He's a warm body on defense, I never see him handle the ball unless its a fast break and he certainly doesnt help on the boards.

When those things round out he will be more than a 20 minute bench player. Time will tell.

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The only thing that bothers me about THJ, he is ridiculously inconsistent. The same way he is on fire for 2 to 3 games he will follow that with 2 to 3 games off, thats the same exact thing that was going on with him in his entire college career. Thats why he fell so low in the draft. I would see him carry michigan for a stretch of games then shot 29% for the another stretch..

So you cant say he caught what JR has... he had it in school

You look at the good players in he league and if their strength is taken away from them they find other ways to help the team. When Timmy is hitting shots hes great. When he's not he does nothing else to help the Knicks. He's a warm body on defense, I never see him handle the ball unless its a fast break and he certainly doesnt help on the boards.

When those things round out he will be more than a 20 minute bench player. Time will tell.

History tells us that most Knicks players either become marginal players or scrubs. Let's Hope that THJ can buck that trend and join David Lee as a player that plays at a high level. Also THJ has one thing going that is His father knows the NBA and can steer him to become an all around player.

gunsnewing wrote:What's not to like? The kid has more heart than 95% of this team

True- I don't know why I'm not really that psyched about him.

knicks1248 wrote:

Vmart wrote:

fishmike wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:The only thing that bothers me about THJ, he is ridiculously inconsistent. The same way he is on fire for 2 to 3 games he will follow that with 2 to 3 games off, thats the same exact thing that was going on with him in his entire college career. Thats why he fell so low in the draft. I would see him carry michigan for a stretch of games then shot 29% for the another stretch..

So you cant say he caught what JR has... he had it in school

You look at the good players in he league and if their strength is taken away from them they find other ways to help the team. When Timmy is hitting shots hes great. When he's not he does nothing else to help the Knicks. He's a warm body on defense, I never see him handle the ball unless its a fast break and he certainly doesnt help on the boards.

When those things round out he will be more than a 20 minute bench player. Time will tell.

History tells us that most Knicks players either become marginal players or scrubs. Let's Hope that THJ can buck that trend and join David Lee as a player that plays at a high level. Also THJ has one thing going that is His father knows the NBA and can steer him to become an all around player.

You only last in this league if you are an exceptional player at one postion(usually pg/c) or an effective 2 way player that can play 2 positions(sg/sf). THJ has registered just 2 blocks for the entire season, he's avg 1 rb (at 6 6") and has not had more then 2 or 3 assist in any game this season. That is completely unacceptable. with numbers like that, he's just an athletic NOVAK

that is the NYK way. THJ is following a role given to him. He is not asked to be a facilitator or for that matter be a rebounder he is the guy who is suppose to get out on the break and get easy points. I had alluded to this in another thread that the Knicks need to bring more out of THJ by increasing his workload by asking him to bring the ball up and ask him to facilitate the offense on occasions to help him develop to be an all around player.

gunsnewing wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:What's not to like? The kid has more heart than 95% of this team. No one is more supportive of his teammates. He is a good kid.

We should dump him and sign more malcontents

when you say more heart what exactly do you mean ( he has more heart to take a tough shot) cause i define heart as a guy who defends relentlessly, doesnt back down on either end, takes a charges, ect..the only thing that THJ does is shoot the ball, that's his entire game.

He's a rookie

AAAND... Is that why he's one demensional