OasisBU wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Andrew wrote:Imo, if phil signs on that signals the end of the melo era unless he agrees to take far less than max $. Everyone including phil knows they cant win a chip with melo taking up 25M or more of cap space, and phil only signs on if he has final decision making authority. With phil on board it will be a change for the better no matter what melo ends up doing.

i will add to this: i think it is important that jackson earns a higher salary than carmelo anthony. but i really don't think phil jackson sees carmelo as playing the jordan/bryant role in the triangle. i have to think jackson sees what many see which is a very limited, not particularly smart or coachable player.

Announcer for the Pacers/Celtics game just said Phil wants Melo in NY. Said he wants insurance Melo stays before he agrees to the job. Not sure what his source is.

See 2 posts above yours

I kinda figured as much. This jives with what we know of Phil's prior experience as a head coach -- he's had stars in place in both Chicago and LA and that's where his success has come from (x2 in both places + excellent role players -- hopefully that'll be the formula here if & when he arrives). Looks like he wants star power in place and presumably thinks you need that to win. I kinda believe that myself to a degree. Plus, Phil's an older cat now -- probably would prefer to join a situation where there's already something major in place rather than starting from scratch.

Man, as if there wasn't already existing pressure on Melo to stay, this just amps it up even further -- I mean how does he say no to NY now with Phil Jackson waiting to come aboard only if he resigns? If he bolts, he have to deal with the stigma of deserting NY as well as denying the Knicks Phil Jackson.

VCoug wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Andrew wrote:Imo, if phil signs on that signals the end of the melo era unless he agrees to take far less than max $. Everyone including phil knows they cant win a chip with melo taking up 25M or more of cap space, and phil only signs on if he has final decision making authority. With phil on board it will be a change for the better no matter what melo ends up doing.

i will add to this: i think it is important that jackson earns a higher salary than carmelo anthony. but i really don't think phil jackson sees carmelo as playing the jordan/bryant role in the triangle. i have to think jackson sees what many see which is a very limited, not particularly smart or coachable player.

I don't understand this at all. What difference could it possibly make whether or not Phil Jackson makes more money than any individual player on the team?

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dk7th wrote:

OasisBU wrote:Reports are saying Phil wants assurances that Melo is staying so....

http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/2014/03/phil-jackson-wants-assurance-melo-will-stay-with-knicks/

what utter horse****.

mreinman wrote:

dk7th wrote:

OasisBU wrote:Reports are saying Phil wants assurances that Melo is staying so....

http://thehoopdoctors.com/online2/2014/03/phil-jackson-wants-assurance-melo-will-stay-with-knicks/

what utter horse****.

I believe that its the complete opposite. He wants all his options opened and will not be tied down.

Maybe he wants Melo to commit to not opt out.

Syniko wrote:Phil as a president is boring. It just means he's a corporate tool sitting in his office negotiating instead of actually impacting the game as a Coach. Nobody cares about the president of an organization because they're all boring.

Does anyone care about Pat Riley in 00's or 10's compare to him in the 80's?

exactly. he needs to be in the day to day, not in the month to month.

also, most of the critics of this move-- i am guessing-- are not old enough to remember the pivotal role he played on that second knicks title team. and before that, on the 1970 team he was out with injury and was sitting beside red holzman the entire time. holzman himself was a scout before he became a coach. all these are facts that can be read in harvey araton's book on the knicks WHEN THE GARDEN WAS EDEN.

i am mentioning these things because at bottom phil jackson is an old school guy just like walsh-- what this translates to is that he will be looking to bring in legitimate two-way players like the knicks teams he played on had. as a player he saw first hand dave debuscherre and walt frazier, reed, mike riordan.

complete players are the building blocks. melo and stat are not complete players and that has been an issue, not just their lack of chemistry with one another but that they each separately are not complete players.

pierce, rondo, garnett, and to a certain extent allen were/are complete players.

anyway if he ends up here he has PLENTY of experience to be a good team builder.