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If your only 2 choices for coach was MDA or Woodson who would you pick
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OasisBU
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3/5/2014  7:43 PM
IronWillGiroud wrote:Mad is an actual coach, woody is just dead weight. No way can you call woody a coach. You can call mad a bad coach but still a coach.

That's how I feel. Woody is just a sack of potatoes sitting on the sideline. At least MDA was involved.

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3/5/2014  9:21 PM
isn't coaching a bunch of things?

teacher
mentor
motivator
psychologist
leader
communicator
strategist
tactician
etc, etc

on balance d'antoni is a much better coach.

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3/5/2014  9:22 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:I liked despite his ****ty handling of Marbury and kinda off communication style. Linsanity was fun and a vindication of his abilities with the right personnel, with guys he trusts who are going to overachieve in his system. But he's in the pile with the other Knicks coaches who quit on us. Give it to Woodson, they are going to have to fire his ass, he ain't quitting… him and Herb.

you should apply to the diplomatic corps

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3/6/2014  11:04 AM
Woodsons idea of defense is by far a gimmick, he slows the offense down to a crawl so the opponet gets less possesions..And while MDA also cater's to Kobe, that guy has earned the right, he's a leader, a winner, and works his ass off. for woodson to cater to a guy who is a great offensive player, but clearly not a leader, and doesn't know how to win..

Woodson babies and cuddles his veterens even when they screw up bad..

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3/6/2014  11:36 AM
Can't take another minute of, The Woodson Stare". Sometimes I wonder what the hell he's drawing on that clipboard, because it usually turns into a turnover or Melo heaving it up in the final seconds of the shot clock. At they very least, the ball would be shared. Another thing that bothers me with Woodson is his "defensive coach" tag. He has no better defensive schemes than . D'antoni was the one screwed during our re-build. The resulting team should have been built to his specs, not Woodie.
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Sangfroid wrote:Can't take another minute of, The Woodson Stare". Sometimes I wonder what the hell he's drawing on that clipboard, because it usually turns into a turnover or Melo heaving it up in the final seconds of the shot clock. At they very least, the ball would be shared. Another thing that bothers me with Woodson is his "defensive coach" tag. He has no better defensive schemes than . D'antoni was the one screwed during our re-build. The resulting team should have been built to his specs, not Woodie.

thats how i feel

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3/6/2014  1:55 PM
Listening to Woodson today on ESPN Radio, he's an idiot. I'm picking MDA.
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3/6/2014  1:55 PM
Ugh. I guess it depends on the roster. This roster? Who cares? I'll go with MDA just for the sake of change. Neither one can adapt. MDA can help the ball movement and can be a big help with the pick and roll game but Woody is the better motivator(lol). Either way, both are assistant coaches.
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3/6/2014  2:02 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/6/2014  2:04 PM
BTW, it's funny how Stephen A Smith is now on the 'Dolan's the problem' train. This guy is hilarious. He was killing MDA for the losing, but gives Woodson a pass. When looking for the problem, he basically goes up the ladder and stops wherever there isn't a black person.

Are there any non-black players? Well, they're the problem. They're scrubs. Get rid of them.
Is the coach non-black? Well, he's the problem. Fire him.
Oh, no more non-black players left to blame, and the coach is black? Well damn, it's gotta be the white owner. As if Dolan hasn't been the problem ALL ALONG.
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3/6/2014  2:07 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/6/2014  2:08 PM
I think it's funny how Woodson only goes on radio after wins. Been a while since he was on!
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3/6/2014  2:10 PM
And SAS won't acknowledge JVG or Thibs but wants mark jackson
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3/6/2014  2:12 PM
gunsnewing wrote:And SAS won't acknowledge JVG or Thibs but wants mark jackson

Of course, he wants Mark Jackson. He's a loudmouth preacher.
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3/6/2014  3:33 PM    LAST EDITED: 3/6/2014  3:33 PM
MDA had some major problems. Even with those problems it is not not even close if I had to pick one. Woody is Mike Brown levels of bad when it comes to coaching.
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3/6/2014  4:37 PM
toad wrote:BTW, it's funny how Stephen A Smith is now on the 'Dolan's the problem' train. This guy is hilarious. He was killing MDA for the losing, but gives Woodson a pass. When looking for the problem, he basically goes up the ladder and stops wherever there isn't a black person.

Are there any non-black players? Well, they're the problem. They're scrubs. Get rid of them.
Is the coach non-black? Well, he's the problem. Fire him.
Oh, no more non-black players left to blame, and the coach is black? Well damn, it's gotta be the white owner. As if Dolan hasn't been the problem ALL ALONG.

He has made some bias comments, but he also got on woodson pretty hard during the playoffs, especially against indi.

He's pretty cool with woodson so i can see why, still doesn't make it cool to avoid thrashing his coaching

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3/6/2014  6:34 PM
knicks1248 wrote:
mreinman wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:it amazes me that you guys are so down on mda when he was brought in to go through 4 yrs of rebuilding..so like your basing everything he's done here as far as the 28 players traded during his tenure

It was not his brain. It was mostly his ego and stubbornness that was annoying.

stubborness?? what exactly was he stubborn about

Are you actually saying that MDA is not stubborn? Even his fans can't deny this.

Adjusting to personnel? Giving up the baseline by design? Having Tony Douglass continue to hoist 3's at a 25 percent clip WHILE LEADING THE KNICKS IN 3 PT ATTEMPTS??

C'mon.

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/6/2014  10:16 PM
MDA is better simply because he tries to employ a philosophy/system that has proven effective (when roster supported). Woodson is an average coach who seems to do better with less pressure, less stars and less egos. For this team, we need either a veteran/proven coach or a young college mind (like Stevens from the Celts).
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3/6/2014  10:30 PM
Sangfroid wrote:Can't take another minute of, The Woodson Stare". Sometimes I wonder what the hell he's drawing on that clipboard, because it usually turns into a turnover or Melo heaving it up in the final seconds of the shot clock. At they very least, the ball would be shared. Another thing that bothers me with Woodson is his "defensive coach" tag. He has no better defensive schemes than . D'antoni was the one screwed during our re-build. The resulting team should have been built to his specs, not Woodie.

This is pretty much how I feel. You're getting either switching or just flat out bad defense with them either way but at least D'antoni can coach a system where ball movement is stressed.
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Sangfroid wrote:Can't take another minute of, The Woodson Stare". Sometimes I wonder what the hell he's drawing on that clipboard, because it usually turns into a turnover or Melo heaving it up in the final seconds of the shot clock. At they very least, the ball would be shared. Another thing that bothers me with Woodson is his "defensive coach" tag. He has no better defensive schemes than . D'antoni was the one screwed during our re-build. The resulting team should have been built to his specs, not Woodie.

This is pretty much how I feel. You're getting either switching or just flat out bad defense with them either way but at least D'antoni can coach a system where ball movement is stressed.

The chucking 3's with whomever your player are makes me sick.

I would rather the team play without a head coach.

Who would you rather Rich Kotite or Joe Walton?

so here is what phil is thinking ....
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3/6/2014  10:56 PM
mreinman wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
Sangfroid wrote:Can't take another minute of, The Woodson Stare". Sometimes I wonder what the hell he's drawing on that clipboard, because it usually turns into a turnover or Melo heaving it up in the final seconds of the shot clock. At they very least, the ball would be shared. Another thing that bothers me with Woodson is his "defensive coach" tag. He has no better defensive schemes than . D'antoni was the one screwed during our re-build. The resulting team should have been built to his specs, not Woodie.

This is pretty much how I feel. You're getting either switching or just flat out bad defense with them either way but at least D'antoni can coach a system where ball movement is stressed.

The chucking 3's with whomever your player are makes me sick.

I would rather the team play without a head coach.

Who would you rather Rich Kotite or Joe Walton?


Sadly, chucking 3s has remained with this team long after D'antoni's departure

This team in particular would actually be really interesting to watch without a head coach now that I think about it..

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