StarksEwing1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Its funny with Karl because he is far from a perfect guy and evolved and overcame some demons as he grew older and coached in different places. No one brings up the personal demons that he struggled with in Golden State when he was a young coach but he is quick to criticize a guy that he worked with who was 20-26. Some good things in that article but I think Karl has an axe to grind.

some of the point he brings up anthony still is doing. he still needs others to be that leader in the locker/court. karl may have evolved and changed, we seem to still be waiting for anthony to do so. at this point 10+ seasons into his pro career, im not sure that wait is going to pay off, at least with him being the #1 guy or the things you might expect from the #1 guy.

I think the point is he brings it up every chance he gets. He was interviewed on ESPN Radio Friday afternoon and was saying the same thing. If I am a reporter and I want to do a hatchet job on Melo I call Karl. NOt saying that Araton's piece is written that way but Karl doesn't like Anthony. Karl's personal demons in golden state cost him his job and may have be related to later troubles he had with his health. The guy has a far from perfect past and had his struggles as a young guy.

he has every reason not to like carmelo for the things that he was quoted on in the article. what on earth do these observations have to do with his alleged personal demons.

the guy is a cancer survivor-- where does that fit into your psyche profile. geezus dude

I agree. He might not like Karl because he is critical of Melo(he makes fair points) but Karl also is a cancer survibor so no need to get on him

Surviving cancer does not have anything to do with an Agenda.

Melo survived baltimore - give him a break!

CrushAlot wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Its funny with Karl because he is far from a perfect guy and evolved and overcame some demons as he grew older and coached in different places. No one brings up the personal demons that he struggled with in Golden State when he was a young coach but he is quick to criticize a guy that he worked with who was 20-26. Some good things in that article but I think Karl has an axe to grind.

some of the point he brings up anthony still is doing. he still needs others to be that leader in the locker/court. karl may have evolved and changed, we seem to still be waiting for anthony to do so. at this point 10+ seasons into his pro career, im not sure that wait is going to pay off, at least with him being the #1 guy or the things you might expect from the #1 guy.

I think the point is he brings it up every chance he gets. He was interviewed on ESPN Radio Friday afternoon and was saying the same thing. If I am a reporter and I want to do a hatchet job on Melo I call Karl. NOt saying that Araton's piece is written that way but Karl doesn't like Anthony. Karl's personal demons in golden state cost him his job and may have be related to later troubles he had with his health. The guy has a far from perfect past and had his struggles as a young guy.

the issues raised seem to be holding him back. you seem to be mad cuz karl had issues and is critical of a guy who may have issues (not the same ones now). the guy was his coach for a large portion of his pro career, his insights can be taken as fact or biased opinion. they seem to line up a bit with what i see however. hey, kobe got torn up by pjack in that book. coaches lay into former or even current players...

mreinman wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Its funny with Karl because he is far from a perfect guy and evolved and overcame some demons as he grew older and coached in different places. No one brings up the personal demons that he struggled with in Golden State when he was a young coach but he is quick to criticize a guy that he worked with who was 20-26. Some good things in that article but I think Karl has an axe to grind.

some of the point he brings up anthony still is doing. he still needs others to be that leader in the locker/court. karl may have evolved and changed, we seem to still be waiting for anthony to do so. at this point 10+ seasons into his pro career, im not sure that wait is going to pay off, at least with him being the #1 guy or the things you might expect from the #1 guy.

I think the point is he brings it up every chance he gets. He was interviewed on ESPN Radio Friday afternoon and was saying the same thing. If I am a reporter and I want to do a hatchet job on Melo I call Karl. NOt saying that Araton's piece is written that way but Karl doesn't like Anthony. Karl's personal demons in golden state cost him his job and may have be related to later troubles he had with his health. The guy has a far from perfect past and had his struggles as a young guy.

he has every reason not to like carmelo for the things that he was quoted on in the article. what on earth do these observations have to do with his alleged personal demons.

the guy is a cancer survivor-- where does that fit into your psyche profile. geezus dude

I agree. He might not like Karl because he is critical of Melo(he makes fair points) but Karl also is a cancer survibor so no need to get on him

Surviving cancer does not have anything to do with an Agenda.

Melo survived baltimore - give him a break!

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Its funny with Karl because he is far from a perfect guy and evolved and overcame some demons as he grew older and coached in different places. No one brings up the personal demons that he struggled with in Golden State when he was a young coach but he is quick to criticize a guy that he worked with who was 20-26. Some good things in that article but I think Karl has an axe to grind.

some of the point he brings up anthony still is doing. he still needs others to be that leader in the locker/court. karl may have evolved and changed, we seem to still be waiting for anthony to do so. at this point 10+ seasons into his pro career, im not sure that wait is going to pay off, at least with him being the #1 guy or the things you might expect from the #1 guy.

I think the point is he brings it up every chance he gets. He was interviewed on ESPN Radio Friday afternoon and was saying the same thing. If I am a reporter and I want to do a hatchet job on Melo I call Karl. NOt saying that Araton's piece is written that way but Karl doesn't like Anthony. Karl's personal demons in golden state cost him his job and may have be related to later troubles he had with his health. The guy has a far from perfect past and had his struggles as a young guy.

the issues raised seem to be holding him back. you seem to be mad cuz karl had issues and is critical of a guy who may have issues (not the same ones now). the guy was his coach for a large portion of his pro career, his insights can be taken as fact or biased opinion. they seem to line up a bit with what i see however. hey, kobe got torn up by pjack in that book. coaches lay into former or even current players...

Yes. Pjax killed kobe and begged mgmt to get rid of him numerous times. Kobe killed his offense with his selfish chucking. However, he played crazy defense which Melo does not.

mreinman wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Its funny with Karl because he is far from a perfect guy and evolved and overcame some demons as he grew older and coached in different places. No one brings up the personal demons that he struggled with in Golden State when he was a young coach but he is quick to criticize a guy that he worked with who was 20-26. Some good things in that article but I think Karl has an axe to grind.

some of the point he brings up anthony still is doing. he still needs others to be that leader in the locker/court. karl may have evolved and changed, we seem to still be waiting for anthony to do so. at this point 10+ seasons into his pro career, im not sure that wait is going to pay off, at least with him being the #1 guy or the things you might expect from the #1 guy.

I think the point is he brings it up every chance he gets. He was interviewed on ESPN Radio Friday afternoon and was saying the same thing. If I am a reporter and I want to do a hatchet job on Melo I call Karl. NOt saying that Araton's piece is written that way but Karl doesn't like Anthony. Karl's personal demons in golden state cost him his job and may have be related to later troubles he had with his health. The guy has a far from perfect past and had his struggles as a young guy.

the issues raised seem to be holding him back. you seem to be mad cuz karl had issues and is critical of a guy who may have issues (not the same ones now). the guy was his coach for a large portion of his pro career, his insights can be taken as fact or biased opinion. they seem to line up a bit with what i see however. hey, kobe got torn up by pjack in that book. coaches lay into former or even current players...

Yes. Pjax killed kobe and begged mgmt to get rid of him numerous times. Kobe killed his offense with his selfish chucking. However, he played crazy defense which Melo does not.

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Its funny with Karl because he is far from a perfect guy and evolved and overcame some demons as he grew older and coached in different places. No one brings up the personal demons that he struggled with in Golden State when he was a young coach but he is quick to criticize a guy that he worked with who was 20-26. Some good things in that article but I think Karl has an axe to grind.

some of the point he brings up anthony still is doing. he still needs others to be that leader in the locker/court. karl may have evolved and changed, we seem to still be waiting for anthony to do so. at this point 10+ seasons into his pro career, im not sure that wait is going to pay off, at least with him being the #1 guy or the things you might expect from the #1 guy.

I think the point is he brings it up every chance he gets. He was interviewed on ESPN Radio Friday afternoon and was saying the same thing. If I am a reporter and I want to do a hatchet job on Melo I call Karl. NOt saying that Araton's piece is written that way but Karl doesn't like Anthony. Karl's personal demons in golden state cost him his job and may have be related to later troubles he had with his health. The guy has a far from perfect past and had his struggles as a young guy.

he has every reason not to like carmelo for the things that he was quoted on in the article. what on earth do these observations have to do with his alleged personal demons.

the guy is a cancer survivor-- where does that fit into your psyche profile. geezus dude

I agree. He might not like Karl because he is critical of Melo(he makes fair points) but Karl also is a cancer survibor so no need to get on him

Surviving cancer does not have anything to do with an Agenda.

Melo survived baltimore - give him a break!

The guy was an alcoholic. Not sure why it isn't out there more but reporters had to go to the bar he frequented to do interviews with him. Maybe connecting the two is wrong but a buddy of mine knows Karl and knew him back then. He had very serious issues that he overcame.

Even as a bigtime Melo fan can you honestly say Karl was wrong in his assessment? I mean i defend Melo a lot BUT i think karl was right on teh money

I didn't say he was wrong. I said he doesn't care for Melo and brings up his faults every chance he gets. He made some good points but he seems to be prolifically making comments to different media outlets at time when Melo's team is struggling mightily.

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

mreinman wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Its funny with Karl because he is far from a perfect guy and evolved and overcame some demons as he grew older and coached in different places. No one brings up the personal demons that he struggled with in Golden State when he was a young coach but he is quick to criticize a guy that he worked with who was 20-26. Some good things in that article but I think Karl has an axe to grind.

some of the point he brings up anthony still is doing. he still needs others to be that leader in the locker/court. karl may have evolved and changed, we seem to still be waiting for anthony to do so. at this point 10+ seasons into his pro career, im not sure that wait is going to pay off, at least with him being the #1 guy or the things you might expect from the #1 guy.

I think the point is he brings it up every chance he gets. He was interviewed on ESPN Radio Friday afternoon and was saying the same thing. If I am a reporter and I want to do a hatchet job on Melo I call Karl. NOt saying that Araton's piece is written that way but Karl doesn't like Anthony. Karl's personal demons in golden state cost him his job and may have be related to later troubles he had with his health. The guy has a far from perfect past and had his struggles as a young guy.

he has every reason not to like carmelo for the things that he was quoted on in the article. what on earth do these observations have to do with his alleged personal demons.

the guy is a cancer survivor-- where does that fit into your psyche profile. geezus dude

I agree. He might not like Karl because he is critical of Melo(he makes fair points) but Karl also is a cancer survibor so no need to get on him

Surviving cancer does not have anything to do with an Agenda.

Melo survived baltimore - give him a break!

The guy was an alcoholic. Not sure why it isn't out there more but reporters had to go to the bar he frequented to do interviews with him. Maybe connecting the two is wrong but a buddy of mine knows Karl and knew him back then. He had very serious issues that he overcame.

Even as a bigtime Melo fan can you honestly say Karl was wrong in his assessment? I mean i defend Melo a lot BUT i think karl was right on teh money

I didn't say he was wrong. I said he doesn't care for Melo and brings up his faults every chance he gets. He made some good points but he seems to be prolifically making comments to different media outlets at time when Melo's team is struggling mightily.

Um...When did Karl birng up Melo's personal flaws? he never did he brough up his flaws on the basketball court which is his job as a former coach/analysts. I think you are reaching a bit

mreinman wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Its funny with Karl because he is far from a perfect guy and evolved and overcame some demons as he grew older and coached in different places. No one brings up the personal demons that he struggled with in Golden State when he was a young coach but he is quick to criticize a guy that he worked with who was 20-26. Some good things in that article but I think Karl has an axe to grind.

some of the point he brings up anthony still is doing. he still needs others to be that leader in the locker/court. karl may have evolved and changed, we seem to still be waiting for anthony to do so. at this point 10+ seasons into his pro career, im not sure that wait is going to pay off, at least with him being the #1 guy or the things you might expect from the #1 guy.

I think the point is he brings it up every chance he gets. He was interviewed on ESPN Radio Friday afternoon and was saying the same thing. If I am a reporter and I want to do a hatchet job on Melo I call Karl. NOt saying that Araton's piece is written that way but Karl doesn't like Anthony. Karl's personal demons in golden state cost him his job and may have be related to later troubles he had with his health. The guy has a far from perfect past and had his struggles as a young guy.

the issues raised seem to be holding him back. you seem to be mad cuz karl had issues and is critical of a guy who may have issues (not the same ones now). the guy was his coach for a large portion of his pro career, his insights can be taken as fact or biased opinion. they seem to line up a bit with what i see however. hey, kobe got torn up by pjack in that book. coaches lay into former or even current players...

Yes. Pjax killed kobe and begged mgmt to get rid of him numerous times. Kobe killed his offense with his selfish chucking. However, he played crazy defense which Melo does not.

my biggest take away with anthony is the intangibles, which may not be fair. its reaaaal hard to say a guy cant lead/inspire/drive a team when im not in the locker, at practice, etc. it just seems to be that way seeing how he has done in ny. that bothers me, since i tend to think once you get far into your pro career, you do not become something else if you havent already shown signs of evolving. talking about it is what knick players seem to do though, they cant seem to actually implement it (crawfords famous this is our year crap).

mreinman wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

mreinman wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

sidsanders wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Its funny with Karl because he is far from a perfect guy and evolved and overcame some demons as he grew older and coached in different places. No one brings up the personal demons that he struggled with in Golden State when he was a young coach but he is quick to criticize a guy that he worked with who was 20-26. Some good things in that article but I think Karl has an axe to grind.

some of the point he brings up anthony still is doing. he still needs others to be that leader in the locker/court. karl may have evolved and changed, we seem to still be waiting for anthony to do so. at this point 10+ seasons into his pro career, im not sure that wait is going to pay off, at least with him being the #1 guy or the things you might expect from the #1 guy.

I think the point is he brings it up every chance he gets. He was interviewed on ESPN Radio Friday afternoon and was saying the same thing. If I am a reporter and I want to do a hatchet job on Melo I call Karl. NOt saying that Araton's piece is written that way but Karl doesn't like Anthony. Karl's personal demons in golden state cost him his job and may have be related to later troubles he had with his health. The guy has a far from perfect past and had his struggles as a young guy.

the issues raised seem to be holding him back. you seem to be mad cuz karl had issues and is critical of a guy who may have issues (not the same ones now). the guy was his coach for a large portion of his pro career, his insights can be taken as fact or biased opinion. they seem to line up a bit with what i see however. hey, kobe got torn up by pjack in that book. coaches lay into former or even current players...

Yes. Pjax killed kobe and begged mgmt to get rid of him numerous times. Kobe killed his offense with his selfish chucking. However, he played crazy defense which Melo does not.

Yeah you cant really compare mleo and kobe i mena Kobe is a far superior player. I mean Melo is a scorer but even kobe in his prime was the most dangerous scorer who can defend as good as anyone as well

Kobe is/was an extremely overrated and inefficient offensive player.

Not really. hell i hate Kobe but i would take in him in a heartbeat over Melo in his prime

being extremely overrated has nothing to do with Melo.

45% volume shooters are all overrated. Compare his numbers to Wade.

joec32033 wrote:Karl can have valid points about Melo but still have an agenda. I am not a huge Melo fan nor am I a Melo hater, and I think Karl is a really good coach, but sometimes listening to these interviews, something just comes across wrong to me. I don't know what it is, if it's how he says things or what but when Karl starts talking about Melo I get this smarky vibe from him that he enjoys talking negative about Melo.

spot on!

StarksEwing1 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:Karl can have valid points about Melo but still have an agenda. I am not a huge Melo fan nor am I a Melo hater, and I think Karl is a really good coach, but sometimes listening to these interviews, something just comes across wrong to me. I don't know what it is, if it's how he says things or what but when Karl starts talking about Melo I get this smarky vibe from him that he enjoys talking negative about Melo.

Maybe but Melo probably didnt make life easy for Karl either. Karl compliments Melo and even said he admires his will to win BUT he probably wishes melo listened to him more in denver. i could understand that

To be fair he has. He talks about what a great offensive weapon he is. Like I said, though, when he talks negative it not like someone just stating facts. It just come's off different coming from him to me. Like he enjoys saying the negative stuff on Melo. He has been on a lot to talk about Melo. As i said before, idk what it is I just don't get untarnished analysis vibe from Karl in regards to Melo.