fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Dagger wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Dagger wrote:

dk7th wrote:a four-point line would necessitate making the court dimensions larger-- which is actually a great idea.

and then if they raised the basket a foot that would also be great.

Why make the rim higher? What good does that accomplish? It would cut down on dunks and alley-oops, the most exciting part of the game, and make a player like Tyson chandler completely useless.

It would probably give added value to having a refined low post game but I think you're right that it would make the game boring.

raising the rim would still allow plenty of players the chance to dunk. the average height of nba players has to be close to the 6'6"-6'7" range.

but the benefits would be to forcibly raise the skill level in every aspect of the game that relates to passing, ballhandling, low post work as bonn mentioned, using glass, and especially the midrange game that often requires shooting off the dribble either on ones own or behind picks.

I think you truly underestimate the difficulty of dunking on an 11 ft room especially in an in-game situation. It would kill basketball.

maybe i am underestimating here but it seems like a ton of players are at elbow level at the rim. dunking may add excitement but it is still two points. i'd rather see a pro sport that relies on skills. dunking is not a skill.

try the WNBA dude... prob more up your alley anyway

why would i watch the wnba?

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Dagger wrote:

dk7th wrote:a four-point line would necessitate making the court dimensions larger-- which is actually a great idea.

and then if they raised the basket a foot that would also be great.

Why make the rim higher? What good does that accomplish? It would cut down on dunks and alley-oops, the most exciting part of the game, and make a player like Tyson chandler completely useless.

It would probably give added value to having a refined low post game but I think you're right that it would make the game boring.

raising the rim would still allow plenty of players the chance to dunk. the average height of nba players has to be close to the 6'6"-6'7" range.

but the benefits would be to forcibly raise the skill level in every aspect of the game that relates to passing, ballhandling, low post work as bonn mentioned, using glass, and especially the midrange game that often requires shooting off the dribble either on ones own or behind picks.

I have long thought it would be great to have a league with a height restriction. Only players 6'6" max, or something like that. You'd get rid of the big stiffs, and have a crazy athletic game. Let em dunk!

Dagger wrote:Basically a 2pt shot has an expected value of around 1pt (50%*2) and a 3pt shot has an expected value of about the same (35%*3) so the two shots are fairly balanced. If a 4pt shot was implemented it would probably be another 10ft from the basket and I guess that the drop-off would be significant, even more so than 2pt shot to 3-pt, so maybe the best shooters can actually hit it 15% of the time. That means that the expected value of a 4-pt shot is (15%*4) or .6, which is far below the values of the other shots, making the 4pt shot impractical and essentially a waste of a possession.

I actually think the best way to implement this is to make it so that a 4pt shot is counted whenever a player's closer foot is more than 40 feet from the base of the basket. No line needs to be drawn on the court. By using this method you can prevent dumb players like JR from setting up to take the shot because they do not know exactly where it is. Therefore it only becomes part of the game in chucking situations with little time on the clock, essentially rewarding a player for making a difficult shot when there are no better shots available. Obviously they would need to have some piece of equipment to measure this so that the shot could be scored instantaneously, without refs looking at a review, but I'm sure they have the technology for it.

Actually I wouldn't put no line, I would put two short dash lines on the sides of the court at the 40-ft mark so that fans can see where the player was when they shot without as much controversy. At the same time it would be harder for players to to see if they are in front or behind the line without taking a second to look over, which is what you want because this should not be a set shot.

What they need to do is allow defensive players to do thier thing without being handcuff.