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gunsnewing
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2/25/2014  8:36 PM
Fans are desperate. The Knicks could add Mo Taylor or Michael Sweetney and fans will get giddy. Expectations are at an alltime low
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2/25/2014  8:51 PM
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2/25/2014  10:24 PM
Earl Clark = Shawne Williams without the bite
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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2/25/2014  10:27 PM
Think Earl Clark is more athletic, more skilled, better handle/ability to penetrate off the dribble and finish

While Shawnee was probably a bit stronger and more defensive minded, probably the better shooter, at least as a Knick

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2/25/2014  11:32 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/25/2014  11:35 PM
Very surprised Clark signed a 10day contract, I wonder if we can sign a 2 year deal with team option on 2nd, heck I would be glad to give him a partial guarantee like Tyler/CJ got earlier, even most guaranteed with our need for a SF/PF, it doesn't effect our cap situation with 2015 anyway


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2/26/2014  6:40 AM
Woodson needs to be fired because he's still fighting for wins. I wanna win too but the way things are we need to put this coach out of his misery and have an intern play the youth and new guys.

My opinion on Clark is he is a good player. He's like Jared Jefferies basically. He can play 3 positions none very well. But he has a lot of skill and his role will be determined by how he wants to play. If he brings it he can be a starter, if he is blah, then he's a good rule guy

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2/26/2014  7:03 AM
EnySpree wrote:Woodson needs to be fired because he's still fighting for wins. I wanna win too but the way things are we need to put this coach out of his misery and have an intern play the youth and new guys.

My opinion on Clark is he is a good player. He's like Jared Jefferies basically. He can play 3 positions none very well. But he has a lot of skill and his role will be determined by how he wants to play. If he brings it he can be a starter, if he is blah, then he's a good rule guy


I think he should easily be the starting PF or F, if Melo camps out to space the floor, we need someone to go in, and if the mismatch is the opposite, we need Melo to go in and post
With both Felton and Pablo starting, they likely will look to continue to pick on those with 1v1 and PnR situations with just about anyone especially our C in Chandler

I have said this many times and totally agree that Woodson should have been fired, just to inspire the team and take some of the heat of the players
Many players have said they think Woodson's system is flawed, thus not believing in his system either way
Regardless if we were trying to win or NOT, he should have been fired for the better of the team
Woodson has the final say in everything, if you watch the Mike Woodson show, I forgot if it was TT, *the Boston accent*, not sure if he meant to throw him under the bus or just agreed with the players...

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2/26/2014  7:25 AM
RonRon wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Woodson needs to be fired because he's still fighting for wins. I wanna win too but the way things are we need to put this coach out of his misery and have an intern play the youth and new guys.

My opinion on Clark is he is a good player. He's like Jared Jefferies basically. He can play 3 positions none very well. But he has a lot of skill and his role will be determined by how he wants to play. If he brings it he can be a starter, if he is blah, then he's a good rule guy


I think he should easily be the starting PF or F, if Melo camps out to space the floor, we need someone to go in, and if the mismatch is the opposite, we need Melo to go in and post
With both Felton and Pablo starting, they likely will look to continue to pick on those with 1v1 and PnR situations with just about anyone especially our C in Chandler

I have said this many times and totally agree that Woodson should have been fired, just to inspire the team and take some of the heat of the players
Many players have said they think Woodson's system is flawed, thus not believing in his system either way
Regardless if we were trying to win or NOT, he should have been fired for the better of the team
Woodson has the final say in everything, if you watch the Mike Woodson show, I forgot if it was TT, *the Boston accent*, not sure if he meant to throw him under the bus or just agreed with the players...

It all depends on what we are doing here. ... don't forget we have Jeremy Tyler. The knicks need to figure out what to do. In my eyes Tyler already earned his starting spot. He's not staying because of Woodson. If Earl Clark comes in and gets minutes over him then what?

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2/26/2014  7:33 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2014  7:34 AM
EnySpree wrote:
RonRon wrote:
EnySpree wrote:Woodson needs to be fired because he's still fighting for wins. I wanna win too but the way things are we need to put this coach out of his misery and have an intern play the youth and new guys.

My opinion on Clark is he is a good player. He's like Jared Jefferies basically. He can play 3 positions none very well. But he has a lot of skill and his role will be determined by how he wants to play. If he brings it he can be a starter, if he is blah, then he's a good rule guy


I think he should easily be the starting PF or F, if Melo camps out to space the floor, we need someone to go in, and if the mismatch is the opposite, we need Melo to go in and post
With both Felton and Pablo starting, they likely will look to continue to pick on those with 1v1 and PnR situations with just about anyone especially our C in Chandler

I have said this many times and totally agree that Woodson should have been fired, just to inspire the team and take some of the heat of the players
Many players have said they think Woodson's system is flawed, thus not believing in his system either way
Regardless if we were trying to win or NOT, he should have been fired for the better of the team
Woodson has the final say in everything, if you watch the Mike Woodson show, I forgot if it was TT, *the Boston accent*, not sure if he meant to throw him under the bus or just agreed with the players...

It all depends on what we are doing here. ... don't forget we have Jeremy Tyler. The knicks need to figure out what to do. In my eyes Tyler already earned his starting spot. He's not staying because of Woodson. If Earl Clark comes in and gets minutes over him then what?

I agree Tyler should get more minutes but even when there were Woodson will always go with the VET, he has done it in the past and he always will, even their 1st day back from a long term injury

He plays favoritism, I think Murry should get more minutes throughout the entire season too, but he didn't
Building up his confidence, while he is our BEST defender at the PG position
He would rather put Udrih, Felton, and Pablo in the final seconds of DEFENSIVE play only...

Udrih on Beal *THEN POINTS THE FINGER AT UDRIH*

Felton on Kemba Walker

he has done it multiple times, he is RETARDED

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2/26/2014  7:39 AM
EnySpree wrote:Woodson needs to be fired because he's still fighting for wins. I wanna win too but the way things are we need to put this coach out of his misery and have an intern play the youth and new guys.

My opinion on Clark is he is a good player. He's like Jared Jefferies basically. He can play 3 positions none very well. But he has a lot of skill and his role will be determined by how he wants to play. If he brings it he can be a starter, if he is blah, then he's a good rule guy

And playing Melo over 40mins in meaningless games. Can't wait til We extend Melo for $30mil and he is out for years with micro-fracture surgery like mcdyess and H20 who we also ran into he ground

Gotta love he Knickerbockers

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2/26/2014  11:11 AM
gunsnewing wrote:Fans are desperate. The Knicks could add Mo Taylor or Michael Sweetney and fans will get giddy. Expectations are at an alltime low

We are desperate- we have this same crap to look forward to for the whole of next season (at least we have our pick next year!)- we need s*** to keep us going!

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2/26/2014  11:53 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2014  12:32 PM
As soon as we picked up Clark I started thinking MLE. If Woody uses him like I hope he does (I wanna see the guy play man, let's see what he's got), I bet he plays well. If he does play well, now all of a sudden he becomes a candidate for the MLE this off-season (if we like him enough to keep him). Now what kind of MLE will we be able to use?? I believe we might be a taxpaying team next year -- that means we won't be able to use the regular MLE (which is what, $5.15mm I think right?), but only have the tax-paying MLE available to us (which is a little over $3mm). Sucks man -- that might not even be enough to keep Earl Clark if he plays well, let alone split it between Clark and a decent PG, someone like Patty Mills for instance, a guy who would need an offer north of $2.5mm say and a guarantee of a starting gig and over 30 mins. a night minimum to even think about coming here. Anything less, he'll just stay put in SA and continue pursuing championships every year....I really have no idea where we're headed anymore, honestly...Buckle up for a long, bad year next year fellas.
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2/26/2014  12:01 PM
Finestrg wrote:As soon as we got Clark I started thinking MLE. If Woody uses him like I hope he does (I wanna see the guy play man, let's see what he's got), I bet he plays well. Now all of a sudden, he becomes a candidate for the MLE for next year, if we like him enough to keep him). Now what kind of MLE will we be able to use -- I believe we might be a taxpaying team next year -- that means we won't be able to use the regular MLE (which is what, $5.15mm I think right?), but only have the tax-paying MLE available to us (which is a little over $3mm). Sucks man -- that might not even be enough to keep an Earl Clack if he plays well. Definitely not enough to split between Clark and a decent PG, someone like Patty Mills for instance, a guy who would need an offer north of $2.5mm say and a guarantee of a starting gig here minimum. Anything less lucrative, he'll just stay put in SA and continue pursuing championships every year....I really have no idea where we're headed anymore, honestly..

Without some super trading skills which would shed 3 of the 4 contracts of Tyson, Amar'e, Bargs, and Melo the Knicks only have the mMLE(3+ mil.). Clark is a vet minimum level guy. He got his MLE type contract last year then failed in CLE. I would rather go after Aminu if I want someone who can't shoot the 3. At least Aminu rebounds great for his position, plays D, and has a high percentage.

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2/26/2014  12:29 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/26/2014  12:39 PM
I just wish they would've gone about this a little differently. First, I wish they'd just abandon any notion of making the playoffs and get real (the move for Shannon Brown shows me they haven't--he's not even a good fit anyway. Even thinking about signing Dhantay Jones signals the same. You wanna laugh -- the move not to sit Shump when there was some serious trade discussion for a true PG upgrade really signaled the end of this season for me). Then I wish they would've waived K-Mart also, opening up 3 total spots rather than just the 2. Appreciate everything K-Mart's brought to the table since being here but WTF is the point in keeping him around anymore? Dude can't even stay on the floor... Then I would've brought in Devin Ebanks as my hybrid forward to use next to Melo/sub in for Melo (slightly younger than Clark, better upside, more versatile offensively and a guy we may have had success trying to tie up long-term on the fly if it looked like he fit in (my contention is that any vet-type player that comes in and plays well, we probably won't be able to afford eventually. Don't really understand the point in bringing in guys like that); a true PG, someone like Seth Curry or Kalin Lucas, 2 of the better DL PGs at the moment or even Jimmer Fredette eventually when he's bought out (any of these guys make infinitely more sense than Shannon Brown--the man's not even a PG. LOL); and a 7' C with a lot of skill in Justin Hamilton. I would've been good with that. Much more logical than what we wound up doing here..
Wojo: Knicks finalizing deal with Clark

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