dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's done what you can ask. Despite his low assist totals if you watch the games (some here dont) you see Melo passes a ton. Then when nobody shoots the ball gets back to him with 6 seconds left and its iso get a Melo shot time.

He's become one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. He pulling down career high rebounding #s (pretty sure he's a top 20 rebounder)

The guy plays his ass off. I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

wrong again.. tied for 24th with like 5 other guys..

A lot of knick players play their asses off. this team is not good collectively.

I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

That knick team was a gritty defensive bunch.. Ewing and Oakley would have punched carmelo in the head.. he would not last with that group of MEN

Yeah, and any front-court player that plays almost 40 min is going to be among the leaders in RPG.
In rebounds per 36 min, he drops to a pedestrian 61st place (31st out of 45 qualified PFs).

that's because melo is a tweener. in fact without a great pick and roll point guard amare becomes a tweener too.

two tweeners in the frontcourt would never have worked. what was melo thinking?

Can't communicate logically with people who refuse to give credit where credit is due.

And who else exactly plays their ass off besides Melo this year?

He's refusing to give Melo credit for rebounding at the rate of an average forward?

I guess we should look at Durant's numbers differently because he averages a bunch of minutes. About 40 seconds less per game than Melo actually. As if being able to play at high level for almost 40 MPG isn't something to value and admire.

Think logically for a second man.

melo doesn't play at a high level for 40 minutes. he loafs during a major part of games and is often not guarding the more difficult assignments.

he needs to try and be a leader and set an example. instead he is treated like a primadonna. just once i would love him to say "i want to focus on defense and shutting down the other teams best player." just once i would love for him to take ownership of this losing season. "i am responsible for this team not playing as well as it should and i need to figure that out" instead of continuing to play the way he plays which keeps him in also-ran status.

Not everyone is a leader. Doesn't make him a bad basketball player.

i never have said even once that he is a bad basketball player. he is certainly not a bum or a stiff.

what i have always said is that he is overrated and vastly overpaid for what he brings to the table. as a tweener he is always going to be a liability one way or another. and this makes him much closer to a zero-sum level player than teams can afford if the goal is winning it all.

additionally, he is not in supreme shape and he does not make others better... and he doesn't even mesh well with others.

I don't think you have evidence to back any of that up. He's averaging 40 minutes a game putting up amazing offensive numbers. You can't do that if you're out of shape. There are 2 players on offense better than him...LeBron and Durant.

And responding by saying "he's certainly not a bum or stiff" is as back handed a compliment as it gets.

You don't have to like the player or think he's right for the team. But to just ignore how special a talent he is make you look silly.

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's done what you can ask. Despite his low assist totals if you watch the games (some here dont) you see Melo passes a ton. Then when nobody shoots the ball gets back to him with 6 seconds left and its iso get a Melo shot time.

He's become one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. He pulling down career high rebounding #s (pretty sure he's a top 20 rebounder)

The guy plays his ass off. I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

wrong again.. tied for 24th with like 5 other guys..

A lot of knick players play their asses off. this team is not good collectively.

I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

That knick team was a gritty defensive bunch.. Ewing and Oakley would have punched carmelo in the head.. he would not last with that group of MEN

Yeah, and any front-court player that plays almost 40 min is going to be among the leaders in RPG.
In rebounds per 36 min, he drops to a pedestrian 61st place (31st out of 45 qualified PFs).

that's because melo is a tweener. in fact without a great pick and roll point guard amare becomes a tweener too.

two tweeners in the frontcourt would never have worked. what was melo thinking?

Can't communicate logically with people who refuse to give credit where credit is due.

And who else exactly plays their ass off besides Melo this year?

He's refusing to give Melo credit for rebounding at the rate of an average forward?

I guess we should look at Durant's numbers differently because he averages a bunch of minutes. About 40 seconds less per game than Melo actually. As if being able to play at high level for almost 40 MPG isn't something to value and admire.

Think logically for a second man.

melo doesn't play at a high level for 40 minutes. he loafs during a major part of games and is often not guarding the more difficult assignments.

he needs to try and be a leader and set an example. instead he is treated like a primadonna. just once i would love him to say "i want to focus on defense and shutting down the other teams best player." just once i would love for him to take ownership of this losing season. "i am responsible for this team not playing as well as it should and i need to figure that out" instead of continuing to play the way he plays which keeps him in also-ran status.

Not everyone is a leader. Doesn't make him a bad basketball player.

i never have said even once that he is a bad basketball player. he is certainly not a bum or a stiff.

what i have always said is that he is overrated and vastly overpaid for what he brings to the table. as a tweener he is always going to be a liability one way or another. and this makes him much closer to a zero-sum level player than teams can afford if the goal is winning it all.

additionally, he is not in supreme shape and he does not make others better... and he doesn't even mesh well with others.

I don't think you have evidence to back any of that up. He's averaging 40 minutes a game putting up amazing offensive numbers. You can't do that if you're out of shape. There are 2 players on offense better than him...LeBron and Durant.

And responding by saying "he's certainly not a bum or stiff" is as back handed a compliment as it gets.

You don't have to like the player or think he's right for the team. But to just ignore how special a talent he is make you look silly.

what in your opinion makes him special?

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's done what you can ask. Despite his low assist totals if you watch the games (some here dont) you see Melo passes a ton. Then when nobody shoots the ball gets back to him with 6 seconds left and its iso get a Melo shot time.

He's become one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. He pulling down career high rebounding #s (pretty sure he's a top 20 rebounder)

The guy plays his ass off. I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

wrong again.. tied for 24th with like 5 other guys..

A lot of knick players play their asses off. this team is not good collectively.

I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

That knick team was a gritty defensive bunch.. Ewing and Oakley would have punched carmelo in the head.. he would not last with that group of MEN

Yeah, and any front-court player that plays almost 40 min is going to be among the leaders in RPG.
In rebounds per 36 min, he drops to a pedestrian 61st place (31st out of 45 qualified PFs).

that's because melo is a tweener. in fact without a great pick and roll point guard amare becomes a tweener too.

two tweeners in the frontcourt would never have worked. what was melo thinking?

Can't communicate logically with people who refuse to give credit where credit is due.

And who else exactly plays their ass off besides Melo this year?

He's refusing to give Melo credit for rebounding at the rate of an average forward?

I guess we should look at Durant's numbers differently because he averages a bunch of minutes. About 40 seconds less per game than Melo actually. As if being able to play at high level for almost 40 MPG isn't something to value and admire.

Think logically for a second man.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's done what you can ask. Despite his low assist totals if you watch the games (some here dont) you see Melo passes a ton. Then when nobody shoots the ball gets back to him with 6 seconds left and its iso get a Melo shot time.

He's become one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. He pulling down career high rebounding #s (pretty sure he's a top 20 rebounder)

The guy plays his ass off. I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

wrong again.. tied for 24th with like 5 other guys..

A lot of knick players play their asses off. this team is not good collectively.

I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

That knick team was a gritty defensive bunch.. Ewing and Oakley would have punched carmelo in the head.. he would not last with that group of MEN

Yeah, and any front-court player that plays almost 40 min is going to be among the leaders in RPG.
In rebounds per 36 min, he drops to a pedestrian 61st place (31st out of 45 qualified PFs).

that's because melo is a tweener. in fact without a great pick and roll point guard amare becomes a tweener too.

two tweeners in the frontcourt would never have worked. what was melo thinking?

Can't communicate logically with people who refuse to give credit where credit is due.

And who else exactly plays their ass off besides Melo this year?

He's refusing to give Melo credit for rebounding at the rate of an average forward?

I guess we should look at Durant's numbers differently because he averages a bunch of minutes. About 40 seconds less per game than Melo actually. As if being able to play at high level for almost 40 MPG isn't something to value and admire.

Think logically for a second man.

melo doesn't play at a high level for 40 minutes. he loafs during a major part of games and is often not guarding the more difficult assignments.

he needs to try and be a leader and set an example. instead he is treated like a primadonna. just once i would love him to say "i want to focus on defense and shutting down the other teams best player." just once i would love for him to take ownership of this losing season. "i am responsible for this team not playing as well as it should and i need to figure that out" instead of continuing to play the way he plays which keeps him in also-ran status.

Not everyone is a leader. Doesn't make him a bad basketball player.

i never have said even once that he is a bad basketball player. he is certainly not a bum or a stiff.

what i have always said is that he is overrated and vastly overpaid for what he brings to the table. as a tweener he is always going to be a liability one way or another. and this makes him much closer to a zero-sum level player than teams can afford if the goal is winning it all.

additionally, he is not in supreme shape and he does not make others better... and he doesn't even mesh well with others.

I don't think you have evidence to back any of that up. He's averaging 40 minutes a game putting up amazing offensive numbers. You can't do that if you're out of shape. There are 2 players on offense better than him...LeBron and Durant.

And responding by saying "he's certainly not a bum or stiff" is as back handed a compliment as it gets.

You don't have to like the player or think he's right for the team. But to just ignore how special a talent he is make you look silly.

what in your opinion makes him special?

28 pts 9 reb per...hasn't been done since Shaq...pretty special..He has improved every yea since coming here...And plays hard....

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's done what you can ask. Despite his low assist totals if you watch the games (some here dont) you see Melo passes a ton. Then when nobody shoots the ball gets back to him with 6 seconds left and its iso get a Melo shot time.

He's become one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. He pulling down career high rebounding #s (pretty sure he's a top 20 rebounder)

The guy plays his ass off. I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

wrong again.. tied for 24th with like 5 other guys..

A lot of knick players play their asses off. this team is not good collectively.

I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

That knick team was a gritty defensive bunch.. Ewing and Oakley would have punched carmelo in the head.. he would not last with that group of MEN

Yeah, and any front-court player that plays almost 40 min is going to be among the leaders in RPG.
In rebounds per 36 min, he drops to a pedestrian 61st place (31st out of 45 qualified PFs).

that's because melo is a tweener. in fact without a great pick and roll point guard amare becomes a tweener too.

two tweeners in the frontcourt would never have worked. what was melo thinking?

Can't communicate logically with people who refuse to give credit where credit is due.

And who else exactly plays their ass off besides Melo this year?

He's refusing to give Melo credit for rebounding at the rate of an average forward?

I guess we should look at Durant's numbers differently because he averages a bunch of minutes. About 40 seconds less per game than Melo actually. As if being able to play at high level for almost 40 MPG isn't something to value and admire.

Think logically for a second man.

melo doesn't play at a high level for 40 minutes. he loafs during a major part of games and is often not guarding the more difficult assignments.

he needs to try and be a leader and set an example. instead he is treated like a primadonna. just once i would love him to say "i want to focus on defense and shutting down the other teams best player." just once i would love for him to take ownership of this losing season. "i am responsible for this team not playing as well as it should and i need to figure that out" instead of continuing to play the way he plays which keeps him in also-ran status.

Not everyone is a leader. Doesn't make him a bad basketball player.

i never have said even once that he is a bad basketball player. he is certainly not a bum or a stiff.

what i have always said is that he is overrated and vastly overpaid for what he brings to the table. as a tweener he is always going to be a liability one way or another. and this makes him much closer to a zero-sum level player than teams can afford if the goal is winning it all.

additionally, he is not in supreme shape and he does not make others better... and he doesn't even mesh well with others.

I don't think you have evidence to back any of that up. He's averaging 40 minutes a game putting up amazing offensive numbers. You can't do that if you're out of shape. There are 2 players on offense better than him...LeBron and Durant.

And responding by saying "he's certainly not a bum or stiff" is as back handed a compliment as it gets.

You don't have to like the player or think he's right for the team. But to just ignore how special a talent he is make you look silly.

what in your opinion makes him special?

28 pts 9 reb per...hasn't been done since Shaq...pretty special..He has improved every yea since coming here...And plays hard....

Holfresh.... Didn't you know? Those stats can be devalued. Most 10 time all stars are just average rebounding volume shooters lol

so unlike shaq, melo is doing it on a 21-36 team. care to explain why the knicks suck so bad?

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's done what you can ask. Despite his low assist totals if you watch the games (some here dont) you see Melo passes a ton. Then when nobody shoots the ball gets back to him with 6 seconds left and its iso get a Melo shot time.

He's become one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. He pulling down career high rebounding #s (pretty sure he's a top 20 rebounder)

The guy plays his ass off. I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

wrong again.. tied for 24th with like 5 other guys..

A lot of knick players play their asses off. this team is not good collectively.

I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

That knick team was a gritty defensive bunch.. Ewing and Oakley would have punched carmelo in the head.. he would not last with that group of MEN

Yeah, and any front-court player that plays almost 40 min is going to be among the leaders in RPG.
In rebounds per 36 min, he drops to a pedestrian 61st place (31st out of 45 qualified PFs).

that's because melo is a tweener. in fact without a great pick and roll point guard amare becomes a tweener too.

two tweeners in the frontcourt would never have worked. what was melo thinking?

Can't communicate logically with people who refuse to give credit where credit is due.

And who else exactly plays their ass off besides Melo this year?

He's refusing to give Melo credit for rebounding at the rate of an average forward?

I guess we should look at Durant's numbers differently because he averages a bunch of minutes. About 40 seconds less per game than Melo actually. As if being able to play at high level for almost 40 MPG isn't something to value and admire.

Think logically for a second man.

melo doesn't play at a high level for 40 minutes. he loafs during a major part of games and is often not guarding the more difficult assignments.

he needs to try and be a leader and set an example. instead he is treated like a primadonna. just once i would love him to say "i want to focus on defense and shutting down the other teams best player." just once i would love for him to take ownership of this losing season. "i am responsible for this team not playing as well as it should and i need to figure that out" instead of continuing to play the way he plays which keeps him in also-ran status.

Not everyone is a leader. Doesn't make him a bad basketball player.

i never have said even once that he is a bad basketball player. he is certainly not a bum or a stiff.

what i have always said is that he is overrated and vastly overpaid for what he brings to the table. as a tweener he is always going to be a liability one way or another. and this makes him much closer to a zero-sum level player than teams can afford if the goal is winning it all.

additionally, he is not in supreme shape and he does not make others better... and he doesn't even mesh well with others.

I don't think you have evidence to back any of that up. He's averaging 40 minutes a game putting up amazing offensive numbers. You can't do that if you're out of shape. There are 2 players on offense better than him...LeBron and Durant.

And responding by saying "he's certainly not a bum or stiff" is as back handed a compliment as it gets.

You don't have to like the player or think he's right for the team. But to just ignore how special a talent he is make you look silly.

Back-handed? You just said that you thought he felt Melo was a bad player. He's just repeating your language.

Why do you always feel the need to defend Dk7th and TKF?

I find it extremely odd that you always seem to swoop in for these two like an overprotective mother

Papabear wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's done what you can ask. Despite his low assist totals if you watch the games (some here dont) you see Melo passes a ton. Then when nobody shoots the ball gets back to him with 6 seconds left and its iso get a Melo shot time.

He's become one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. He pulling down career high rebounding #s (pretty sure he's a top 20 rebounder)

The guy plays his ass off. I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

wrong again.. tied for 24th with like 5 other guys..

A lot of knick players play their asses off. this team is not good collectively.

I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

That knick team was a gritty defensive bunch.. Ewing and Oakley would have punched carmelo in the head.. he would not last with that group of MEN

Yeah, and any front-court player that plays almost 40 min is going to be among the leaders in RPG.
In rebounds per 36 min, he drops to a pedestrian 61st place (31st out of 45 qualified PFs).

that's because melo is a tweener. in fact without a great pick and roll point guard amare becomes a tweener too.

two tweeners in the frontcourt would never have worked. what was melo thinking?

Can't communicate logically with people who refuse to give credit where credit is due.

And who else exactly plays their ass off besides Melo this year?

He's refusing to give Melo credit for rebounding at the rate of an average forward?

I guess we should look at Durant's numbers differently because he averages a bunch of minutes. About 40 seconds less per game than Melo actually. As if being able to play at high level for almost 40 MPG isn't something to value and admire.

Think logically for a second man.

melo doesn't play at a high level for 40 minutes. he loafs during a major part of games and is often not guarding the more difficult assignments.

he needs to try and be a leader and set an example. instead he is treated like a primadonna. just once i would love him to say "i want to focus on defense and shutting down the other teams best player." just once i would love for him to take ownership of this losing season. "i am responsible for this team not playing as well as it should and i need to figure that out" instead of continuing to play the way he plays which keeps him in also-ran status.

Not everyone is a leader. Doesn't make him a bad basketball player.

i never have said even once that he is a bad basketball player. he is certainly not a bum or a stiff.

what i have always said is that he is overrated and vastly overpaid for what he brings to the table. as a tweener he is always going to be a liability one way or another. and this makes him much closer to a zero-sum level player than teams can afford if the goal is winning it all.

additionally, he is not in supreme shape and he does not make others better... and he doesn't even mesh well with others.

I don't think you have evidence to back any of that up. He's averaging 40 minutes a game putting up amazing offensive numbers. You can't do that if you're out of shape. There are 2 players on offense better than him...LeBron and Durant.

And responding by saying "he's certainly not a bum or stiff" is as back handed a compliment as it gets.

You don't have to like the player or think he's right for the team. But to just ignore how special a talent he is make you look silly.

Back-handed? You just said that you thought he felt Melo was a bad player. He's just repeating your language.

Why do you always feel the need to defend Dk7th and TKF?

I find it extremely odd that you always seem to swoop in for these two like an overprotective mother

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Didn't you know haters stick together

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's done what you can ask. Despite his low assist totals if you watch the games (some here dont) you see Melo passes a ton. Then when nobody shoots the ball gets back to him with 6 seconds left and its iso get a Melo shot time.

He's become one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. He pulling down career high rebounding #s (pretty sure he's a top 20 rebounder)

The guy plays his ass off. I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

wrong again.. tied for 24th with like 5 other guys..

A lot of knick players play their asses off. this team is not good collectively.

I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

That knick team was a gritty defensive bunch.. Ewing and Oakley would have punched carmelo in the head.. he would not last with that group of MEN

Yeah, and any front-court player that plays almost 40 min is going to be among the leaders in RPG.
In rebounds per 36 min, he drops to a pedestrian 61st place (31st out of 45 qualified PFs).

that's because melo is a tweener. in fact without a great pick and roll point guard amare becomes a tweener too.

two tweeners in the frontcourt would never have worked. what was melo thinking?

Can't communicate logically with people who refuse to give credit where credit is due.

And who else exactly plays their ass off besides Melo this year?

He's refusing to give Melo credit for rebounding at the rate of an average forward?

I guess we should look at Durant's numbers differently because he averages a bunch of minutes. About 40 seconds less per game than Melo actually. As if being able to play at high level for almost 40 MPG isn't something to value and admire.

Think logically for a second man.

melo doesn't play at a high level for 40 minutes. he loafs during a major part of games and is often not guarding the more difficult assignments.

he needs to try and be a leader and set an example. instead he is treated like a primadonna. just once i would love him to say "i want to focus on defense and shutting down the other teams best player." just once i would love for him to take ownership of this losing season. "i am responsible for this team not playing as well as it should and i need to figure that out" instead of continuing to play the way he plays which keeps him in also-ran status.

Not everyone is a leader. Doesn't make him a bad basketball player.

i never have said even once that he is a bad basketball player. he is certainly not a bum or a stiff.

what i have always said is that he is overrated and vastly overpaid for what he brings to the table. as a tweener he is always going to be a liability one way or another. and this makes him much closer to a zero-sum level player than teams can afford if the goal is winning it all.

additionally, he is not in supreme shape and he does not make others better... and he doesn't even mesh well with others.

I don't think you have evidence to back any of that up. He's averaging 40 minutes a game putting up amazing offensive numbers. You can't do that if you're out of shape. There are 2 players on offense better than him...LeBron and Durant.

And responding by saying "he's certainly not a bum or stiff" is as back handed a compliment as it gets.

You don't have to like the player or think he's right for the team. But to just ignore how special a talent he is make you look silly.

Back-handed? You just said that you thought he felt Melo was a bad player. He's just repeating your language.

Why do you always feel the need to defend Dk7th and TKF?

I find it extremely odd that you always seem to swoop in for these two like an overprotective mother

Because they contribute a lot and get needlessly picked on by a few who contribute nothing but hate toward critical comments here. It's not just me though. You saw several people immediately defend TKF in the other thread today. I think more people are catching on.
If you see a dog getting beaten, don't you help? The only part of the analogy that doesn't work is that Dk and TKF can defend themselves but they're still innocent victims of a few here who hate any and all criticism of Melo.

Dog!! Dog?? you compare them to a dog ?? LOL you said it. a hater dog.

CrushAlot wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

tkf wrote:

fishmike wrote:he's done what you can ask. Despite his low assist totals if you watch the games (some here dont) you see Melo passes a ton. Then when nobody shoots the ball gets back to him with 6 seconds left and its iso get a Melo shot time.

He's become one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. He pulling down career high rebounding #s (pretty sure he's a top 20 rebounder)

The guy plays his ass off. I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

wrong again.. tied for 24th with like 5 other guys..

A lot of knick players play their asses off. this team is not good collectively.

I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

That knick team was a gritty defensive bunch.. Ewing and Oakley would have punched carmelo in the head.. he would not last with that group of MEN

Yeah, and any front-court player that plays almost 40 min is going to be among the leaders in RPG.
In rebounds per 36 min, he drops to a pedestrian 61st place (31st out of 45 qualified PFs).

that's because melo is a tweener. in fact without a great pick and roll point guard amare becomes a tweener too.

two tweeners in the frontcourt would never have worked. what was melo thinking?

Can't communicate logically with people who refuse to give credit where credit is due.

And who else exactly plays their ass off besides Melo this year?

He's refusing to give Melo credit for rebounding at the rate of an average forward?

I guess we should look at Durant's numbers differently because he averages a bunch of minutes. About 40 seconds less per game than Melo actually. As if being able to play at high level for almost 40 MPG isn't something to value and admire.

Think logically for a second man.

melo doesn't play at a high level for 40 minutes. he loafs during a major part of games and is often not guarding the more difficult assignments.

he needs to try and be a leader and set an example. instead he is treated like a primadonna. just once i would love him to say "i want to focus on defense and shutting down the other teams best player." just once i would love for him to take ownership of this losing season. "i am responsible for this team not playing as well as it should and i need to figure that out" instead of continuing to play the way he plays which keeps him in also-ran status.

Not everyone is a leader. Doesn't make him a bad basketball player.

i never have said even once that he is a bad basketball player. he is certainly not a bum or a stiff.

what i have always said is that he is overrated and vastly overpaid for what he brings to the table. as a tweener he is always going to be a liability one way or another. and this makes him much closer to a zero-sum level player than teams can afford if the goal is winning it all.

additionally, he is not in supreme shape and he does not make others better... and he doesn't even mesh well with others.

I don't think you have evidence to back any of that up. He's averaging 40 minutes a game putting up amazing offensive numbers. You can't do that if you're out of shape. There are 2 players on offense better than him...LeBron and Durant.

And responding by saying "he's certainly not a bum or stiff" is as back handed a compliment as it gets.

You don't have to like the player or think he's right for the team. But to just ignore how special a talent he is make you look silly.

Back-handed? You just said that you thought he felt Melo was a bad player. He's just repeating your language.

Why do you always feel the need to defend Dk7th and TKF?

I find it extremely odd that you always seem to swoop in for these two like an overprotective mother

Because they contribute a lot and get needlessly picked on by a few who contribute nothing but hate toward critical comments here. It's not just me though. You saw several people immediately defend TKF in the other thread today. I think more people are catching on.
If you see a dog getting beaten, don't you help? The only part of the analogy that doesn't work is that Dk and TKF can defend themselves but they're still innocent victims of a few here who hate any and all criticism of Melo.

TKF watches a ton of basketball and knows what he is talking about on all things not melo. Guys can have a bias. I am pretty sure people felt that I was biased against D'Antoni but I still feel everything I said was right. DK uses stats as a reference a lot more then referencing what goes on on the court. To me there is a big difference. I don't watch a ton of baseball but I study stats for that sport and always do well in the fantasy leagues I participate in. I can recite numbers but I can't critique guys games other than Yankees at the start and end of the season.

They are like politicians they only quote and say what they think will make them look good. They leave out the things that refute what they are saying. They lie!

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fishmike wrote:he's done what you can ask. Despite his low assist totals if you watch the games (some here dont) you see Melo passes a ton. Then when nobody shoots the ball gets back to him with 6 seconds left and its iso get a Melo shot time.

He's become one of the best 3 point shooters in the league. He pulling down career high rebounding #s (pretty sure he's a top 20 rebounder)

The guy plays his ass off. I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

wrong again.. tied for 24th with like 5 other guys..

A lot of knick players play their asses off. this team is not good collectively.

I have no doubt that if we had Melo and Ewing together in their prime we would be looking at a 2-3 rings easy.

That knick team was a gritty defensive bunch.. Ewing and Oakley would have punched carmelo in the head.. he would not last with that group of MEN

Yeah, and any front-court player that plays almost 40 min is going to be among the leaders in RPG.
In rebounds per 36 min, he drops to a pedestrian 61st place (31st out of 45 qualified PFs).

that's because melo is a tweener. in fact without a great pick and roll point guard amare becomes a tweener too.

two tweeners in the frontcourt would never have worked. what was melo thinking?

Can't communicate logically with people who refuse to give credit where credit is due.

And who else exactly plays their ass off besides Melo this year?

He's refusing to give Melo credit for rebounding at the rate of an average forward?

I guess we should look at Durant's numbers differently because he averages a bunch of minutes. About 40 seconds less per game than Melo actually. As if being able to play at high level for almost 40 MPG isn't something to value and admire.

Think logically for a second man.

melo doesn't play at a high level for 40 minutes. he loafs during a major part of games and is often not guarding the more difficult assignments.

he needs to try and be a leader and set an example. instead he is treated like a primadonna. just once i would love him to say "i want to focus on defense and shutting down the other teams best player." just once i would love for him to take ownership of this losing season. "i am responsible for this team not playing as well as it should and i need to figure that out" instead of continuing to play the way he plays which keeps him in also-ran status.

Not everyone is a leader. Doesn't make him a bad basketball player.

i never have said even once that he is a bad basketball player. he is certainly not a bum or a stiff.

what i have always said is that he is overrated and vastly overpaid for what he brings to the table. as a tweener he is always going to be a liability one way or another. and this makes him much closer to a zero-sum level player than teams can afford if the goal is winning it all.

additionally, he is not in supreme shape and he does not make others better... and he doesn't even mesh well with others.

I don't think you have evidence to back any of that up. He's averaging 40 minutes a game putting up amazing offensive numbers. You can't do that if you're out of shape. There are 2 players on offense better than him...LeBron and Durant.

And responding by saying "he's certainly not a bum or stiff" is as back handed a compliment as it gets.

You don't have to like the player or think he's right for the team. But to just ignore how special a talent he is make you look silly.

Back-handed? You just said that you thought he felt Melo was a bad player. He's just repeating your language.

Why do you always feel the need to defend Dk7th and TKF?

I find it extremely odd that you always seem to swoop in for these two like an overprotective mother

Because they contribute a lot and get needlessly picked on by a few who contribute nothing but hate toward critical comments here. It's not just me though. You saw several people immediately defend TKF in the other thread today. I think more people are catching on.
If you see a dog getting beaten, don't you help? The only part of the analogy that doesn't work is that Dk and TKF can defend themselves but they're still innocent victims of a few here who hate any and all criticism of Melo.

I honestly don't see it and I think you're exaggerating a bit just to paint those two as victims. Jrod, Fish, Tkf and DK7 are always bumping heads..everyone else seem to be on the fence.

regardless...I was genuinely curious and appreciate the respond

Maybe it's an exaggeration but TKF and DK do stick to basketball while the guys on the other side just name call half the time.