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2/24/2014  11:38 PM
Marcala12 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Marcala12 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.


I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

so you want to argue over whether Melo is the 5th best player in the NBA or the 11th best player in the NBA? I don't really think it's that big of a difference either way dude. you're the biggest Melo hater in the world and you're pretty much admitting that he's the 11th best player on the planet..think about that. We can probably both Agree that there are hundreds of players better than Amare in the world, and he makes more than Melo....but all you want to talk about is how big a POS Melo is for only being the 11th best player.

you are being silly.. I am not admitting anything.. I threw 10 out there.. honestly I can name 15, and if you look at my previous post, I just showed you one guy, who is not even top 30 in the league, yet he led us to a win over the mavs, a couple of years ago while fat melo was nursing an injury..

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/24/2014  11:40 PM
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tkf wrote:
Marcala12 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.


I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

Lebron, KD. Other than a PG who would allow us to get a defensive stop once in a blue moon, who else?

if PAul George played in place of Melo we would have won by 20, don't you know? Because the 20 points we'd be missing on offense would be more than made up for by George's defense, which is easily 25 points better than Melo's on a nightly basis.

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2/24/2014  11:40 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2014  11:41 PM
SwishAndDish13 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Marcala12 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.


I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

Lebron, KD. Other than a PG who would allow us to get a defensive stop once in a blue moon, who else?


harden, curry, Dirk,westbrook, lillard, chris paul, paul george, duncan, Joe johnson.. all of those guys are clutch... team players...
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/24/2014  11:40 PM
Tfk, for the last and final time. He was only fat coming out of the lockout. Many players were out of shape that year. To say that he is fat right now is beyond ignorant.
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2/24/2014  11:42 PM
SwishAndDish13 wrote:Tfk, for the last and final time. He was only fat coming out of the lockout. Many players were out of shape that year. To say that he is fat right now is beyond ignorant.

the dude is not in shape... he looks like tyler perry madea in uniform....

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/24/2014  11:42 PM
tkf wrote:
Marcala12 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Marcala12 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.


I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

so you want to argue over whether Melo is the 5th best player in the NBA or the 11th best player in the NBA? I don't really think it's that big of a difference either way dude. you're the biggest Melo hater in the world and you're pretty much admitting that he's the 11th best player on the planet..think about that. We can probably both Agree that there are hundreds of players better than Amare in the world, and he makes more than Melo....but all you want to talk about is how big a POS Melo is for only being the 11th best player.

you are being silly.. I am not admitting anything.. I threw 10 out there.. honestly I can name 15, and if you look at my previous post, I just showed you one guy, who is not even top 30 in the league, yet he led us to a win over the mavs, a couple of years ago while fat melo was nursing an injury..

the dude has been a beast this season and you're pathetic for dedicating your life for trying to make him out to be Marbury.

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2/24/2014  11:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/24/2014  11:44 PM
Marcala12 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Marcala12 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Marcala12 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.


I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

so you want to argue over whether Melo is the 5th best player in the NBA or the 11th best player in the NBA? I don't really think it's that big of a difference either way dude. you're the biggest Melo hater in the world and you're pretty much admitting that he's the 11th best player on the planet..think about that. We can probably both Agree that there are hundreds of players better than Amare in the world, and he makes more than Melo....but all you want to talk about is how big a POS Melo is for only being the 11th best player.

you are being silly.. I am not admitting anything.. I threw 10 out there.. honestly I can name 15, and if you look at my previous post, I just showed you one guy, who is not even top 30 in the league, yet he led us to a win over the mavs, a couple of years ago while fat melo was nursing an injury..

the dude has been a beast this season and you're pathetic for dedicating your life for trying to make him out to be Marbury.

beast my behind.. you guys are so narrow minded the guy is hoisting up 100 shots a game.... you let a few scoring games fool you..we are one of the worst teams in the league.. for you to even talk about him with such reverence is breathtakingly hilarious...

And I wish he was as good as marbury...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/24/2014  11:45 PM
tkf wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:Tfk, for the last and final time. He was only fat coming out of the lockout. Many players were out of shape that year. To say that he is fat right now is beyond ignorant.

the dude is not in shape... he looks like tyler perry madea in uniform....

yet his speed/size combination is one of the hardest to deal with in the game. But i think we're beginning to see why you hate Melo so much...you want the star player on this team to have awesome abs.

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2/24/2014  11:50 PM
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tkf wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:Tfk, for the last and final time. He was only fat coming out of the lockout. Many players were out of shape that year. To say that he is fat right now is beyond ignorant.

the dude is not in shape... he looks like tyler perry madea in uniform....

yet his speed/size combination is one of the hardest to deal with in the game. But i think we're beginning to see why you hate Melo so much...you want the star player on this team to have awesome abs.

speed? you mean hard to deal with against guys much bigger than him, which is why he is playing out of position..He is too slow and can't guard SF's.. so they figure he can have the advantage vs the bigger players on offense... nothing special... this guy is a slug and a loser.... I don't hate him,.. I dislike the bastard, I don't like selfish morons...I just want him off this team, and I wish him luck elsewhere...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/24/2014  11:50 PM
Marcala12 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Marcala12 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.


I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

so you want to argue over whether Melo is the 5th best player in the NBA or the 11th best player in the NBA? I don't really think it's that big of a difference either way dude. you're the biggest Melo hater in the world and you're pretty much admitting that he's the 11th best player on the planet..think about that. We can probably both Agree that there are hundreds of players better than Amare in the world, and he makes more than Melo....but all you want to talk about is how big a POS Melo is for only being the 11th best player.

Were 1-7 in games decided by 3 or less thats the worse in the league, thats the bottom line.

It's not all on melo (woodson has no defensive plan) but he has the ball in his hand 90% of the time when the game is on the line..UNDERSTAND THAT PART RIGHT THERE..


IF i had the time and patience, I would edit a nice little youtube version of all of the big shots or bad plays that melo has made this season, it gets over shadowed by the big #s and the teams poor defense.

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2/24/2014  11:53 PM
tkf wrote:
Marcala12 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Marcala12 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Marcala12 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.


I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

so you want to argue over whether Melo is the 5th best player in the NBA or the 11th best player in the NBA? I don't really think it's that big of a difference either way dude. you're the biggest Melo hater in the world and you're pretty much admitting that he's the 11th best player on the planet..think about that. We can probably both Agree that there are hundreds of players better than Amare in the world, and he makes more than Melo....but all you want to talk about is how big a POS Melo is for only being the 11th best player.

you are being silly.. I am not admitting anything.. I threw 10 out there.. honestly I can name 15, and if you look at my previous post, I just showed you one guy, who is not even top 30 in the league, yet he led us to a win over the mavs, a couple of years ago while fat melo was nursing an injury..

the dude has been a beast this season and you're pathetic for dedicating your life for trying to make him out to be Marbury.

beast my behind.. you guys are so narrow minded the guy is hoisting up 100 shots a game.... you let a few scoring games fool you..we are one of the worst teams in the league.. for you to even talk about him with such reverence is breathtakingly hilarious...

And I wish he was as good as marbury...


well the facts are that Melo is shooting: .453/.420/.84 + 8.5 boards and 3 assists per game. His blocks per game and turnovers per game are career bests this season as well. All this despite having no second scorer on the team and some of the worst point guard play any of us have ever seen. He's really really good. He's not Durant or Lebron, but he's in the mix after those two guys. The stats say so, the experts say so, the fans say so with their votes. But now you're saying that he's only the 16th best player in the NBA, because he doesn't have cute abs.

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2/24/2014  11:57 PM
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Marcala12 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Marcala12 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.


I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

so you want to argue over whether Melo is the 5th best player in the NBA or the 11th best player in the NBA? I don't really think it's that big of a difference either way dude. you're the biggest Melo hater in the world and you're pretty much admitting that he's the 11th best player on the planet..think about that. We can probably both Agree that there are hundreds of players better than Amare in the world, and he makes more than Melo....but all you want to talk about is how big a POS Melo is for only being the 11th best player.

Were 1-7 in games decided by 3 or less thats the worse in the league, thats the bottom line.

It's not all on melo (woodson has no defensive plan) but he has the ball in his hand 90% of the time when the game is on the line..UNDERSTAND THAT PART RIGHT THERE..


IF i had the time and patience, I would edit a nice little youtube version of all of the big shots or bad plays that melo has made this season, it gets over shadowed by the big #s and the teams poor defense.

it's a fair point. Melo was clutch throughout his career in these situations, but he's been bad this season with under 30 seconds left in a tight game. He's always tired by that point (dude leads the league in minute played), but who else is going to take the shot? The problem is that he has the ball 35 feet away from the basket on a straight up iso with no pick coming or any play to get him a catch and shoot. I've said in the past that some of that is on Melo, since he should come out and say "i don't want to run this play at the end of games." However, the fact that we continue to do it in every tight game without it ever working...that's more on Woodson than on Melo.

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2/25/2014  12:09 AM
Marcala12 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Marcala12 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Marcala12 wrote:
tkf wrote:
Marcala12 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.


I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

so you want to argue over whether Melo is the 5th best player in the NBA or the 11th best player in the NBA? I don't really think it's that big of a difference either way dude. you're the biggest Melo hater in the world and you're pretty much admitting that he's the 11th best player on the planet..think about that. We can probably both Agree that there are hundreds of players better than Amare in the world, and he makes more than Melo....but all you want to talk about is how big a POS Melo is for only being the 11th best player.

you are being silly.. I am not admitting anything.. I threw 10 out there.. honestly I can name 15, and if you look at my previous post, I just showed you one guy, who is not even top 30 in the league, yet he led us to a win over the mavs, a couple of years ago while fat melo was nursing an injury..

the dude has been a beast this season and you're pathetic for dedicating your life for trying to make him out to be Marbury.

beast my behind.. you guys are so narrow minded the guy is hoisting up 100 shots a game.... you let a few scoring games fool you..we are one of the worst teams in the league.. for you to even talk about him with such reverence is breathtakingly hilarious...

And I wish he was as good as marbury...


well the facts are that Melo is shooting: .453/.420/.84 + 8.5 boards and 3 assists per game. His blocks per game and turnovers per game are career bests this season as well. All this despite having no second scorer on the team and some of the worst point guard play any of us have ever seen. He's really really good. He's not Durant or Lebron, but he's in the mix after those two guys. The stats say so, the experts say so, the fans say so with their votes. But now you're saying that he's only the 16th best player in the NBA, because he doesn't have cute abs.


It was weeks ago but his synergy defensive profile was very good too. I think opponents shot 38% against him and his blk and stl% are up but that really doesn't mean anything. lol. Also, to argue against a guy that clearly is not objective is pointless.
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2/25/2014  2:26 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/25/2014  2:28 AM
Kobe put up the best numbers of his career in a losing season, the next season they got a lottery pick called Bynum
Traded for young Pau Gasol
In addition to the the addition of Trevor Ariza, foundation of Odom, sold role players at the time in, Fisher/Farmer, Sasha Vucevic

the above translation = STATS MEANS SHIT, it is how you get the points, and many other deciding factors of the game that STAT's do not account for

Our foundation of based on D league/VET min talent

It isn't about personal STAT's

Lebron was putting up 30,12,12 2-3 on the Cav's, you guys make it sound like Melo is even close to what Lebron was, hes not, and he gets payed more than Lebron did

Lebron
Durant
Paul George
Lamarcus Alrdidge
Cp3
Love
Westbrook
Harden

Wade
Bosh
Irving
Wall
Lilliard
Curry

Melo is actually closer to players like Monta Ellis, Josh Smith, ZBO (younger), and talented SCORER but NOT a GREAT BASKETBALL PLAYER
It is just that simple, he is not a DEF STOPPER, he is NOT a LEADER, HE IS NOT a CREATOR/FACILITATOR
In the right system with the right players, he can be very dangerous, however, he isn't the #1 player you build around, unless you can have a team 12 deep with versatile, athletic, skilled, great defensive team

Melo is not a SF or PF, he is a TWEENER, he plays his best at PF but has weakness's either way

Unless he takes a pay cut for 2015 and recruits, we will never contend with him, but he can leave to any team in 2014 and have a better future if he is willing to take that paycut

NOT MOVING him along with the rest of the possible trades or make the final starphuq will cost us, we need to get faster, more athletic, and more versatilly skilled in all positions
That is why I suggested trading with Philly and OKC with a 3 team trade
NOT DOING ANYTHING will result in the same that losing core we have this season for next, we don't wonder why The Pacer's get better with the rest of the team, while we seem to take get worse every year?

IF MELO WAS SUCH A GREAT PLAYER, TELL ME WHY HE WAS UNABLE TO DO ANYTHING 1v1 in the final play?

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2/25/2014  4:02 AM
RonRon wrote:Kobe put up the best numbers of his career in a losing season, the next season they got a lottery pick called Bynum
Traded for young Pau Gasol
In addition to the the addition of Trevor Ariza, foundation of Odom, sold role players at the time in, Fisher/Farmer, Sasha Vucevic

the above translation = STATS MEANS SHIT, it is how you get the points, and many other deciding factors of the game that STAT's do not account for

Our foundation of based on D league/VET min talent

It isn't about personal STAT's

Lebron was putting up 30,12,12 2-3 on the Cav's, you guys make it sound like Melo is even close to what Lebron was, hes not, and he gets payed more than Lebron did

Lebron
Durant
Paul George
Lamarcus Alrdidge
Cp3
Love
Westbrook
Harden

Wade
Bosh
Irving
Wall
Lilliard
Curry

Melo is actually closer to players like Monta Ellis, Josh Smith, ZBO (younger), and talented SCORER but NOT a GREAT BASKETBALL PLAYER
It is just that simple, he is not a DEF STOPPER, he is NOT a LEADER, HE IS NOT a CREATOR/FACILITATOR
In the right system with the right players, he can be very dangerous, however, he isn't the #1 player you build around, unless you can have a team 12 deep with versatile, athletic, skilled, great defensive team

Melo is not a SF or PF, he is a TWEENER, he plays his best at PF but has weakness's either way

Unless he takes a pay cut for 2015 and recruits, we will never contend with him, but he can leave to any team in 2014 and have a better future if he is willing to take that paycut

NOT MOVING him along with the rest of the possible trades or make the final starphuq will cost us, we need to get faster, more athletic, and more versatilly skilled in all positions
That is why I suggested trading with Philly and OKC with a 3 team trade
NOT DOING ANYTHING will result in the same that losing core we have this season for next, we don't wonder why The Pacer's get better with the rest of the team, while we seem to take get worse every year?

IF MELO WAS SUCH A GREAT PLAYER, TELL ME WHY HE WAS UNABLE TO DO ANYTHING 1v1 in the final play?

ah, Melo is in the pack with Josh Smith and Ellis...I see. Wall, Love, Aldridge, Paul, Irving and Curry have all won so many rings. And the Toronto team with Bosh was tearing the league up.

i thought this board was supposed to be troll free, what's up with this troll post?

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2/25/2014  4:53 AM
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Vmart wrote:He could have done one thing and that is come to the Knicks as a FA.

He sure as **** got what he wanted

Without being vindictive, that was my first thought as well.
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2/25/2014  4:54 AM
tkf wrote:
Marcala12 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.


I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

but I will do you one better, carmelo was out and we had this instead.. and oh yea, pretty much the same core guys except fields.. we have proof, vs the Dallas mavs... take a look at the box score below..


http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=320219018

Nice find. That was when we had a TEAM. Chemistry is so important.
I like Melo, but we just don't have a team around him. No chemistry, a bunch of looky lous.
Again, you reap what you sow.

And we don't really care any more. The ship is sinking and there are not enough life rafts.

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2/25/2014  6:57 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:
tkf wrote:
Marcala12 wrote:
knicks1248 wrote:44 pts and he can't seal the deal..how many close games has he had the ball in his hand and has not deliver..

fk the 44 pts, hit the game winner

sub Melo for any player in the nba (outside of 3 or 4 guys), and we lose this game by double digits. WE don't have a second scorer, and Melo is dead tired at the end of these games. The iso BS at the end is irritating, but that's mostly on Woodson.


I know 10 guys you can sub for carmelo and have better results..

but I will do you one better, carmelo was out and we had this instead.. and oh yea, pretty much the same core guys except fields.. we have proof, vs the Dallas mavs... take a look at the box score below..


http://espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?id=320219018

Nice find. That was when we had a TEAM. Chemistry is so important.
I like Melo, but we just don't have a team around him. No chemistry, a bunch of looky lous.
Again, you reap what you sow.

And we don't really care any more. The ship is sinking and there are not enough life rafts.

i forgot about how melo forced lin to fire his longtime agent so he coukd hire a big time firm to capitalize on his situation, and how he forced lin's new agent to release statements saying that lin might not go back to the Knicks. I guess melo advised lin to sit out from USA select basketball because as lin said, it might impact his upcoming free agency. Apparently lin had no part in signing what has become an untraceable contract. Melo must have magic powers to be able to play overseas in the Olympics and run the Knicks front office.
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2/25/2014  7:20 AM
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SupremeCommander wrote:
Vmart wrote:He could have done one thing and that is come to the Knicks as a FA.

He sure as **** got what he wanted

Without being vindictive, that was my first thought as well.
You reap what you sow.

I think Melo realizes he made a mistake. If he waiting for FA the Knicks would ahve been better off. I dont care about the lockout melo still would ahve made a ton od money that he allready had
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Melo puts up nice numbers.

If the end game is the win or loss then it speaks for itself.

Melo as the primary option dilutes his statistics. Why? Just looking at our record.

Wish it was not so.

what else can melo do?! 44 pts, 9 boards?

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