dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:We all can say what Dolan should do, but as Briggs stated above it's gonna take intervention to help the knicks.

Remember David Stern has , so good luck in Dolan's defiant and deviant actions concerning the professionalism in the NBA as an owner.

the nba intervened once, after stern said the knicks were not a model of good management.

intervening a second time in such a short time period is implausible.

if it possible to suspend an nba owner, this disastrous three-year period should be the reason.

is a disastrous three year period? Your agenda is showing. Plenty to complain about without stretching things so far.

two words: "win now"

Two better words: "RealGM calling"

what is wrong with simply admitting that the melo era has been a big mistake? as soon as he arrived the knicks were put there instead of building deliberately and sensibly.

and now we are in a far worse position than ever. that is a fact.

See why you have little to no viable credibility? --> "..than ever."

The knicks are in a far worse position than downtown Marblesville? Than A Rooster in the Hospital for Special Surgery again? Than the neverending EScurry watch? Than trying to digest "Now starting at center, Clarence Witherspoon!"???

What is wrong with slowly, thoughtfully digesting these facts

Two trips to the playoffs, a 50 + win season and atlantic crown

before stating your "fact"?

Why not express yourself along the lines of:

"Rather than making the playoffs, and getting some nice moments, I'd much rather have stayed the course with yoots that I liked and not have traded for a player that makes me feel like my entire life is about dealing with ruptured, enflamed hemmorhoids. Along the way I could have gleaned some personal satisfaction that my way of building a franchise is the deliberate and sensible way of approaching pro basketball."

thanks but i prefer to express myself as i see fit. the knicks are in a worse position than ever.

if you want to know why i used "than ever" you may ask me to explain since it isn't obvious to you.

Thanks, but your response tells me all I need to know...

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:We all can say what Dolan should do, but as Briggs stated above it's gonna take intervention to help the knicks.

Remember David Stern has , so good luck in Dolan's defiant and deviant actions concerning the professionalism in the NBA as an owner.

the nba intervened once, after stern said the knicks were not a model of good management.

intervening a second time in such a short time period is implausible.

if it possible to suspend an nba owner, this disastrous three-year period should be the reason.

is a disastrous three year period? Your agenda is showing. Plenty to complain about without stretching things so far.

two words: "win now"

Two better words: "RealGM calling"

what is wrong with simply admitting that the melo era has been a big mistake? as soon as he arrived the knicks were put there instead of building deliberately and sensibly.

and now we are in a far worse position than ever. that is a fact.

See why you have little to no viable credibility? --> "..than ever."

The knicks are in a far worse position than downtown Marblesville? Than A Rooster in the Hospital for Special Surgery again? Than the neverending EScurry watch? Than trying to digest "Now starting at center, Clarence Witherspoon!"???

What is wrong with slowly, thoughtfully digesting these facts

Two trips to the playoffs, a 50 + win season and atlantic crown

before stating your "fact"?

Why not express yourself along the lines of:

"Rather than making the playoffs, and getting some nice moments, I'd much rather have stayed the course with yoots that I liked and not have traded for a player that makes me feel like my entire life is about dealing with ruptured, enflamed hemmorhoids. Along the way I could have gleaned some personal satisfaction that my way of building a franchise is the deliberate and sensible way of approaching pro basketball."

thanks but i prefer to express myself as i see fit. the knicks are in a worse position than ever.

if you want to know why i used "than ever" you may ask me to explain since it isn't obvious to you.

Thanks, but your response tells me all I need to know...

you aren't capable of inferring anything dude. you fear the truth:

melo is a stupid, selfish, greedy, fool's gold LOSER who has been a major contributor to the franchise returning to clown status.

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:We all can say what Dolan should do, but as Briggs stated above it's gonna take intervention to help the knicks.

Remember David Stern has , so good luck in Dolan's defiant and deviant actions concerning the professionalism in the NBA as an owner.

the nba intervened once, after stern said the knicks were not a model of good management.

intervening a second time in such a short time period is implausible.

if it possible to suspend an nba owner, this disastrous three-year period should be the reason.

Two trips to the playoffs, a 50 + win season and atlantic crown is a disastrous three year period? Your agenda is showing. Plenty to complain about without stretching things so far.

two words: "win now"

Two better words: "RealGM calling"

what is wrong with simply admitting that the melo era has been a big mistake? as soon as he arrived the knicks were put there instead of building deliberately and sensibly.

and now we are in a far worse position than ever. that is a fact.

facts... lets look at facts.

Which era was the most successfull?
- The Layden era
- The Isiah era
- The Marbury era
- The Larry Brown era
- The Lenny Wilkins era
- The Melo era

Seems pretty clear to me the only respectable basketball has been played since one guy got here.

without Melo... one season of playoffs (with a losing record)
with Melo b2b2b playoffs and one advance

Yes.. epic mistake. Hee haw little donkey

The Eastern Conference was much stronger in the other era's outside of Melo era.

Now get in the truck and buckle up.

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:We all can say what Dolan should do, but as Briggs stated above it's gonna take intervention to help the knicks.

Remember David Stern has , so good luck in Dolan's defiant and deviant actions concerning the professionalism in the NBA as an owner.

the nba intervened once, after stern said the knicks were not a model of good management.

intervening a second time in such a short time period is implausible.

if it possible to suspend an nba owner, this disastrous three-year period should be the reason.

Two trips to the playoffs, a 50 + win season and atlantic crown is a disastrous three year period? Your agenda is showing. Plenty to complain about without stretching things so far.

two words: "win now"

Two better words: "RealGM calling"

what is wrong with simply admitting that the melo era has been a big mistake? as soon as he arrived the knicks were put there instead of building deliberately and sensibly.

and now we are in a far worse position than ever. that is a fact.

facts... lets look at facts.

Which era was the most successfull?
- The Layden era
- The Isiah era
- The Marbury era
- The Larry Brown era
- The Lenny Wilkins era
- The Melo era

Seems pretty clear to me the only respectable basketball has been played since one guy got here.

without Melo... one season of playoffs (with a losing record)
with Melo b2b2b playoffs and one advance

Yes.. epic mistake. Hee haw little donkey

sorry but the only thing winners care about is winning and "winning" means "winning titles."

you're basically comparing turds to other turds. is that like a hobby of yours?

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:We all can say what Dolan should do, but as Briggs stated above it's gonna take intervention to help the knicks.

Remember David Stern has , so good luck in Dolan's defiant and deviant actions concerning the professionalism in the NBA as an owner.

the nba intervened once, after stern said the knicks were not a model of good management.

intervening a second time in such a short time period is implausible.

if it possible to suspend an nba owner, this disastrous three-year period should be the reason.

Two trips to the playoffs, a 50 + win season and atlantic crown is a disastrous three year period? Your agenda is showing. Plenty to complain about without stretching things so far.

two words: "win now"

Two better words: "RealGM calling"

what is wrong with simply admitting that the melo era has been a big mistake? as soon as he arrived the knicks were put there instead of building deliberately and sensibly.

and now we are in a far worse position than ever. that is a fact.

facts... lets look at facts.

Which era was the most successfull?
- The Layden era
- The Isiah era
- The Marbury era
- The Larry Brown era
- The Lenny Wilkins era
- The Melo era

Seems pretty clear to me the only respectable basketball has been played since one guy got here.

without Melo... one season of playoffs (with a losing record)
with Melo b2b2b playoffs and one advance

Yes.. epic mistake. Hee haw little donkey

sorry but the only thing winners care about is winning and "winning" means "winning titles."

you're basically comparing turds to other turds. is that like a hobby of yours?

We haven't been contending for a title long before Melo got here. Why only focus on the "Melo era"?

When someone posts "melo is a stupid, selfish, greedy, fool's gold LOSER who has been a major contributor to the franchise returning to clown status."

There is really no reason to believe you will get a rational answer from that person.

foosballnick wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:We all can say what Dolan should do, but as Briggs stated above it's gonna take intervention to help the knicks.

Remember David Stern has , so good luck in Dolan's defiant and deviant actions concerning the professionalism in the NBA as an owner.

the nba intervened once, after stern said the knicks were not a model of good management.

intervening a second time in such a short time period is implausible.

if it possible to suspend an nba owner, this disastrous three-year period should be the reason.

Two trips to the playoffs, a 50 + win season and atlantic crown is a disastrous three year period? Your agenda is showing. Plenty to complain about without stretching things so far.

two words: "win now"

Two better words: "RealGM calling"

what is wrong with simply admitting that the melo era has been a big mistake? as soon as he arrived the knicks were put there instead of building deliberately and sensibly.

and now we are in a far worse position than ever. that is a fact.

facts... lets look at facts.

Which era was the most successfull?
- The Layden era
- The Isiah era
- The Marbury era
- The Larry Brown era
- The Lenny Wilkins era
- The Melo era

Seems pretty clear to me the only respectable basketball has been played since one guy got here.

without Melo... one season of playoffs (with a losing record)
with Melo b2b2b playoffs and one advance

Yes.. epic mistake. Hee haw little donkey

sorry but the only thing winners care about is winning and "winning" means "winning titles."

you're basically comparing turds to other turds. is that like a hobby of yours?

We haven't been contending for a title long before Melo got here. Why only focus on the "Melo era"?

When someone posts "melo is a stupid, selfish, greedy, fool's gold LOSER who has been a major contributor to the franchise returning to clown status."

There is really no reason to believe you will get a rational answer from that person.

i am a most rational and intelligent person. it's these attributes that seem to unnerve others. no big deal-- it is what it is.

would that melo were intelligent and rational, or for that matter dolan.

TeamBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:We all can say what Dolan should do, but as Briggs stated above it's gonna take intervention to help the knicks.

Remember David Stern has , so good luck in Dolan's defiant and deviant actions concerning the professionalism in the NBA as an owner.

the nba intervened once, after stern said the knicks were not a model of good management.

intervening a second time in such a short time period is implausible.

if it possible to suspend an nba owner, this disastrous three-year period should be the reason.

Two trips to the playoffs, a 50 + win season and atlantic crown is a disastrous three year period? Your agenda is showing. Plenty to complain about without stretching things so far.

two words: "win now"

Two better words: "RealGM calling"

what is wrong with simply admitting that the melo era has been a big mistake? as soon as he arrived the knicks were put there instead of building deliberately and sensibly.

and now we are in a far worse position than ever. that is a fact.

facts... lets look at facts.

Which era was the most successfull?
- The Layden era
- The Isiah era
- The Marbury era
- The Larry Brown era
- The Lenny Wilkins era
- The Melo era

Seems pretty clear to me the only respectable basketball has been played since one guy got here.

without Melo... one season of playoffs (with a losing record)
with Melo b2b2b playoffs and one advance

Yes.. epic mistake. Hee haw little donkey

That's like asking someone to pick what form of cancer they'd like to have

Well when DK states that we're currently in a worse position than ever before, it's not ridiculous to get some sort of comparison going.

Fine, but as might as well admit that you're just comparing cancers.
Maybe this is a slightly less bad cancer than some others, but we're a .380 team with no cap space, no draft picks, and only 1 good young player. This era has obviously become a disaster.

foosballnick wrote:

dk7th wrote:

foosballnick wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:We all can say what Dolan should do, but as Briggs stated above it's gonna take intervention to help the knicks.

Remember David Stern has , so good luck in Dolan's defiant and deviant actions concerning the professionalism in the NBA as an owner.

the nba intervened once, after stern said the knicks were not a model of good management.

intervening a second time in such a short time period is implausible.

if it possible to suspend an nba owner, this disastrous three-year period should be the reason.

Two trips to the playoffs, a 50 + win season and atlantic crown is a disastrous three year period? Your agenda is showing. Plenty to complain about without stretching things so far.

two words: "win now"

Two better words: "RealGM calling"

what is wrong with simply admitting that the melo era has been a big mistake? as soon as he arrived the knicks were put there instead of building deliberately and sensibly.

and now we are in a far worse position than ever. that is a fact.

facts... lets look at facts.

Which era was the most successfull?
- The Layden era
- The Isiah era
- The Marbury era
- The Larry Brown era
- The Lenny Wilkins era
- The Melo era

Seems pretty clear to me the only respectable basketball has been played since one guy got here.

without Melo... one season of playoffs (with a losing record)
with Melo b2b2b playoffs and one advance

Yes.. epic mistake. Hee haw little donkey

sorry but the only thing winners care about is winning and "winning" means "winning titles."

you're basically comparing turds to other turds. is that like a hobby of yours?

We haven't been contending for a title long before Melo got here. Why only focus on the "Melo era"?

When someone posts "melo is a stupid, selfish, greedy, fool's gold LOSER who has been a major contributor to the franchise returning to clown status."

There is really no reason to believe you will get a rational answer from that person.

i am a most rational and intelligent person. it's these attributes that seem to unnerve others. no big deal-- it is what it is.

would that melo were intelligent and rational, or for that matter dolan.

Says you. The comment you posted above shows neither rational thinking nor intelligence. A rational, well thought out analysis of this Knicks current situation would take into account the bigger picture and series of events which lead them to this point. Melo is on the floor functioning and producing. There are various elements of the roster that are taking up valuable cap space and of which valuable trade assets have been divested which are neither functioning nor producing. Anyone watching the Knicks play or studying stats would know that a big part of their problems come from inefficient Guard Play, especially PG. They traded many assets leading up to attempting to sign Lebron (fail) and Amare (fail due to injury). They traded further assets for Bargs (fail so far). They traded assets for Melo (as indicated ......he is producing). They misused their cap exemption on Billups in order to sign Chandler (was productive but Fail this year). Guys signed in the offseason (Meta, Martin and Beno) were fails as well. They put trust in Felton and JR for major roles(Fails so far). They put trust in the development of Shumpert (fail so far). It is difficult to win with 2 guys (Melo and THJ)and half a PG (Prigs) being the only consistent players with significant minutes on the team.

So while you go off on diatribes and purely subjective attacks on Melo, it is not a rational nor intelligent way to analyze the current situation.

we've been through all of this. melo himself made this bed and now has to sleep in it-- that is the bigger picture. he has created the circumstances where he is merely a good if grossly overpaid player on a crap team. he helped catalyze the trade. and now at this point he is an all-star reserve at the forward position.

deflecting responsibility on his behalf is merely mirroring his own revolting grandiosity. he is not an innocent victim. so while you accuse me of these things i would encourage you to be just a smidgeon more introspective.

if he ends up finally doing the right thing-- which is accepting a contract in the 13 million range-- then things could change for the better. i am not holding my breath for that to happen because he has proven to be so stupid, selfish, greedy, grandiose... and lets add oblivious-- can we add oblivious?

as donnie walsh had said before being shoved aside: "a player is good at one price and bad at another."

Bonn1997 wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

fishmike wrote:

dk7th wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

playa2 wrote:We all can say what Dolan should do, but as Briggs stated above it's gonna take intervention to help the knicks.

Remember David Stern has , so good luck in Dolan's defiant and deviant actions concerning the professionalism in the NBA as an owner.

the nba intervened once, after stern said the knicks were not a model of good management.

intervening a second time in such a short time period is implausible.

if it possible to suspend an nba owner, this disastrous three-year period should be the reason.

Two trips to the playoffs, a 50 + win season and atlantic crown is a disastrous three year period? Your agenda is showing. Plenty to complain about without stretching things so far.

two words: "win now"

Two better words: "RealGM calling"

what is wrong with simply admitting that the melo era has been a big mistake? as soon as he arrived the knicks were put there instead of building deliberately and sensibly.

and now we are in a far worse position than ever. that is a fact.

facts... lets look at facts.

Which era was the most successfull?
- The Layden era
- The Isiah era
- The Marbury era
- The Larry Brown era
- The Lenny Wilkins era
- The Melo era

Seems pretty clear to me the only respectable basketball has been played since one guy got here.

without Melo... one season of playoffs (with a losing record)
with Melo b2b2b playoffs and one advance

Yes.. epic mistake. Hee haw little donkey

That's like asking someone to pick what form of cancer they'd like to have

Well when DK states that we're currently in a worse position than ever before, it's not ridiculous to get some sort of comparison going.

Fine, but as might as well admit that you're just comparing cancers.
Maybe this is a slightly less bad cancer than some others, but we're a .380 team with no cap space, no draft picks, and only 1 good young player. This era has obviously become a disaster.

3 team trade with Philly OKC

Knicks
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Turner
Thad Young
Spencer Hawes

1 2nd round pick back in 2014 (this summer)

Philly
==========
2015 expirings

Knicks picks
2018, 2020, 2022 1st round picks
2018, 12019, 2020 2nd round picks

OKC
========
Giving up Perkins, fills ins, one young guy, Collison or Sefelosha, and 1 1st rounder for either Chandler or AB

trade Iman to either the deal with OKC's 1st rounder or to Clippers with Felton for Barnes, Collison 2 2nd rounders

The New York Knicks rejected the Oklahoma City Thunder's offer of their 2014 first round draft pick to acquire Iman Shumpert, according to sources.

The Knicks wanted an active player in return for Shumpert and deemed the guard more valuable than the late first round choice that the Thunder offered.

Doc Rivers was willing to trade Darren Collison, Byron Mullens, Matt Barnes and two second round picks to the Knicks for Shumpert, Raymond Felton and Beno Udrih, but Donald Sterling and others within the Los Angeles Clippers were hesitant to deal for an injured Shumpert.

Shumpert is expected to return on the trade market around the June draft.

Via Chris Broussard/ESPN

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/232136/Sources-Knicks-Rejected-Thunders-Offer-Of-First-Round-Pick-For-Iman-Shumpert

Either way, FIRE WOODSON and STAFF
If he was still in Atlanta, Bibby would still be the starting PG of choice over Teague, he is incompetent, clueless, and stubborn
Someone needs to take the blame and Woodson is just a matter of time, he clearly does not get it, the players have said his schemes doesn't work many times, the league has proven it, yet no adjustments, SAME STARE