Vmart wrote:Sad to see Beno go I thought he would be decent here but the switch system just isn't his cup if tea. Or anyone else's for that matter. Raw deal.

knicks1248 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Finally. I was talking about this exact thing yesterday. Even looks better -- I didn't think they had a chance to buy out MWP because of his player option for next year but great. Beno, Metta and even K-Mart -- outta here Jack. No disrespect and thanks for everything but there's no point in the world keeping any of these guys around anymore... I'd bring in the following: Seth Curry or Kalin Lucas; Devin Ebanks and C Justin Hamilton. 3 guys I'd love to see on this team. Tell ya what -- I'd bring in all 3 guys and lock them all up for 3 years w/o any of them even playing a game. It'd be like getting 3 draft picks. Don't even wait for them to play well and for the price to inflate. Take a calculated risk now -- everybody gets a contract equivalent to a low 1st round pick or less but locked up right through their 3rd year, right up to their early Bird or Bird rights. Why wait for them to blow up a little and then have some team with cap space come along and snatch 'em up (Fields, Copeland, Lin)? Take on the small risk -- if for some reason they're not as good as advertised, they could still be moved later on small, manageable contracts. Complete no-brainer. Maybe this is where we're headed. Let's hope.

So you think other teams have waived or cut these guys because their GM's are narrow minded ( spear me the LIN pipe dream) just like we were jumping for joy when we sign beno and metta..thought we had a steal uh!!

Finestrg wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Finally. I was talking about this exact thing yesterday. Even looks better -- I didn't think they had a chance to buy out MWP because of his player option for next year but great. Beno, Metta and even K-Mart -- outta here Jack. No disrespect and thanks for everything but there's no point in the world keeping any of these guys around anymore... I'd bring in the following: Seth Curry or Kalin Lucas; Devin Ebanks and C Justin Hamilton. 3 guys I'd love to see on this team. Tell ya what -- I'd bring in all 3 guys and lock them all up for 3 years w/o any of them even playing a game. It'd be like getting 3 draft picks. Don't even wait for them to play well and for the price to inflate. Take a calculated risk now -- everybody gets a contract equivalent to a low 1st round pick or less but locked up right through their 3rd year, right up to their early Bird or Bird rights. Why wait for them to blow up a little and then have some team with cap space come along and snatch 'em up (Fields, Copeland, Lin)? Take on the small risk -- if for some reason they're not as good as advertised, they could still be moved later on small, manageable contracts. Complete no-brainer. Maybe this is where we're headed. Let's hope.

So you think other teams have waived or cut these guys because their GM's are narrow minded ( spear me the LIN pipe dream) just like we were jumping for joy when we sign beno and metta..thought we had a steal uh!!

Not sure what you're saying -- waived or cut who? I'm not criticizing any GM. All I'm saying is that I'd like to see my team use the extra roster spots now on some nice young DL-type talent. Let's see if we can uncover a player or two here for the future. Glen Davis and Ben Gordon are moves for the here & now -- I don't think there is a here and now anymore for this team. Plus I don't think those players make us any better anyway. What I'd like to see is a move for a few YOUNG players, standouts we call up right from the DL and evaluate. Guys we bring in CHEAP, maybe sign long-term on the CHEAP (2 or 3 year deals) hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. We did this before with Lin and Copeland, then lost both players because teams came along with more cap room than we had to dole out deals we couldn't match (actually Lin's not the greatest example--we still could've kept him even after the poison pill, we just chose not to. Copeland's the best example of the 3). I'd prefer to see that not happen anymore.. Young talent we manage to discover, I want to keep! That's why I say call up a Seth Curry, Devin Ebanks, Justin Hamilton, maybe a BJ Young and sign those guys to 3-year deals right off the bat before they even play a game. Take the same amount of risk you'd take with a 1st round draft pick contract (those guys are given 3-4 year deals w/o playing a game yet, right?). I'd be willing to bet any of them would accept 2nd round type deals that run 3 years. They'd be in the show and they'd have some security in place for the time being. It could be like drafting a few 2nd round gems only with the protection of longer contracts where the Knicks move forward knowing they'll be around for a few years w/o bolting on us. All I'm saying.

Not gonna happen though -- my bet is we go after Glen Davis & Ben Gordon and continue chasing the 8th seed, now with more veterans (which means guys like Jeremy Tyler and Hardaway Jr.'s mins will be reduced--they may even even sit out altogether with moves like these). What's the best case here -- Davis and Gordon come in and play well, we sneak into the playoffs only to get swept right out of the 1st round and then Davis and Gordon sign elsewhere in the off-season to deals we can't match (deals I wouldn't want to match anyway mind you)? Is that it? Why bother with that?? Much rather see us target a few cap friendly youngsters and see if we can uncover a real jewel or two here for the next few years..

LOL at the bolded.
With as bad as Felton has played, and that is BAAAAAD, you would think we would have just tried Beno for 5 games??? I understand he wasn't great on defense, but he was a true PG on offense.
At least it gets exciting now. Do we sign Leslie and one vet? Please no Chris Smith, no salt in the wounds please...
Is there a young PG out there???

Finestrg wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Finally. I was talking about this exact thing yesterday. Even looks better -- I didn't think they had a chance to buy out MWP because of his player option for next year but great. Beno, Metta and even K-Mart -- outta here Jack. No disrespect and thanks for everything but there's no point in the world keeping any of these guys around anymore... I'd bring in the following: Seth Curry or Kalin Lucas; Devin Ebanks and C Justin Hamilton. 3 guys I'd love to see on this team. Tell ya what -- I'd bring in all 3 guys and lock them all up for 3 years w/o any of them even playing a game. It'd be like getting 3 draft picks. Don't even wait for them to play well and for the price to inflate. Take a calculated risk now -- everybody gets a contract equivalent to a low 1st round pick or less but locked up right through their 3rd year, right up to their early Bird or Bird rights. Why wait for them to blow up a little and then have some team with cap space come along and snatch 'em up (Fields, Copeland, Lin)? Take on the small risk -- if for some reason they're not as good as advertised, they could still be moved later on small, manageable contracts. Complete no-brainer. Maybe this is where we're headed. Let's hope.

So you think other teams have waived or cut these guys because their GM's are narrow minded ( spear me the LIN pipe dream) just like we were jumping for joy when we sign beno and metta..thought we had a steal uh!!

Not sure what you're saying -- who's narrow-minded? I'm not criticizing anyone. All I'm saying is that I'd like to see my team use the extra roster spots now on some nice young DL-type talent. Let's see if we can uncover a player or two here for the future. Glen Davis and Ben Gordon are moves for the here & now -- I don't think there is a here and now anymore for this team. Plus I don't think those players make us any better anyway. Not interested in either player -- they're wrong for this situation imo. What I'd like to see is a move for a few YOUNG players, standouts we call up right from the DL and evaluate. Guys we bring in CHEAP, maybe sign long-term on the CHEAP (2 or 3 year deals) hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. We did this before with Lin and Copeland, then lost both players because teams came along with more cap room than we had to dole out deals we couldn't match (actually Lin's not the greatest example--we still could've kept him even after the poison pill, we just chose not to. Copeland's the best example of the 3). I'd prefer to see that not happen anymore.. Young talent we manage to discover, I want to keep! That's why I say call up a Seth Curry, Devin Ebanks, Justin Hamilton, maybe a BJ Young and sign those guys to 3-year deals right off the bat before they even play a game. Take the same amount of risk you'd take with a 1st round draft pick contract (those guys are given 3-4 year deals w/o playing a game yet, right?). I'd be willing to bet any of them would accept 2nd round type deals that run 3 years. They'd be in the show and they'd have some security in place for the time being. It could be like drafting a few 2nd round gems only with the protection of longer contracts where the Knicks move forward knowing they'll be around for a few years w/o bolting on us. All I'm saying.

Not gonna happen though -- my bet is we go after Glen Davis & Ben Gordon and continue chasing the 8th seed, now with more veterans (which means guys like Jeremy Tyler and Hardaway Jr.'s mins will be reduced--they may even even sit out altogether with moves like these). What's the best case here -- Davis and Gordon come in and play well, we sneak into the playoffs only to get swept right out of the 1st round and then Davis and Gordon sign elsewhere in the off-season to deals we can't match (deals I wouldn't want to match anyway mind you)? Is that it? Why bother with that?? Much rather see us target a few cap friendly youngsters and see if we can uncover a real jewel or two here for the next few years..

Finestrg wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Finally. I was talking about this exact thing yesterday. Even looks better -- I didn't think they had a chance to buy out MWP because of his player option for next year but great. Beno, Metta and even K-Mart -- outta here Jack. No disrespect and thanks for everything but there's no point in the world keeping any of these guys around anymore... I'd bring in the following: Seth Curry or Kalin Lucas; Devin Ebanks and C Justin Hamilton. 3 guys I'd love to see on this team. Tell ya what -- I'd bring in all 3 guys and lock them all up for 3 years w/o any of them even playing a game. It'd be like getting 3 draft picks. Don't even wait for them to play well and for the price to inflate. Take a calculated risk now -- everybody gets a contract equivalent to a low 1st round pick or less but locked up right through their 3rd year, right up to their early Bird or Bird rights. Why wait for them to blow up a little and then have some team with cap space come along and snatch 'em up (Fields, Copeland, Lin)? Take on the small risk -- if for some reason they're not as good as advertised, they could still be moved later on small, manageable contracts. Complete no-brainer. Maybe this is where we're headed. Let's hope.

So you think other teams have waived or cut these guys because their GM's are narrow minded ( spear me the LIN pipe dream) just like we were jumping for joy when we sign beno and metta..thought we had a steal uh!!

Not sure what you're saying -- waived or cut who? I'm not criticizing any GM. All I'm saying is that I'd like to see my team use the extra roster spots now on some nice young DL-type talent. Let's see if we can uncover a player or two here for the future. Glen Davis and Ben Gordon are moves for the here & now -- I don't think there is a here and now anymore for this team. Plus I don't think those players make us any better anyway. What I'd like to see is a move for a few YOUNG players, standouts we call up right from the DL and evaluate. Guys we bring in CHEAP, maybe sign long-term on the CHEAP (2 or 3 year deals) hoping to catch lightning in a bottle. We did this before with Lin and Copeland, then lost both players because teams came along with more cap room than we had to dole out deals we couldn't match (actually Lin's not the greatest example--we still could've kept him even after the poison pill, we just chose not to. Copeland's the best example of the 3). I'd prefer to see that not happen anymore.. Young talent we manage to discover, I want to keep! That's why I say call up a Seth Curry, Devin Ebanks, Justin Hamilton, maybe a BJ Young and sign those guys to 3-year deals right off the bat before they even play a game. Take the same amount of risk you'd take with a 1st round draft pick contract (those guys are given 3-4 year deals w/o playing a game yet, right?). I'd be willing to bet any of them would accept 2nd round type deals that run 3 years. They'd be in the show and they'd have some security in place for the time being. It could be like drafting a few 2nd round gems only with the protection of longer contracts where the Knicks move forward knowing they'll be around for a few years w/o bolting on us. All I'm saying.

Not gonna happen though -- my bet is we go after Glen Davis & Ben Gordon and continue chasing the 8th seed, now with more veterans (which means guys like Jeremy Tyler and Hardaway Jr.'s mins will be reduced--they may even even sit out altogether with moves like these). What's the best case here -- Davis and Gordon come in and play well, we sneak into the playoffs only to get swept right out of the 1st round and then Davis and Gordon sign elsewhere in the off-season to deals we can't match (deals I wouldn't want to match anyway mind you)? Is that it? Why bother with that?? Much rather see us target a few cap friendly youngsters and see if we can uncover a real jewel or two here for the next few years..

LOL at the bolded.
With as bad as Felton has played, and that is BAAAAAD, you would think we would have just tried Beno for 5 games??? I understand he wasn't great on defense, but he was a true PG on offense.
At least it gets exciting now. Do we sign Leslie and one vet? Please no Chris Smith, no salt in the wounds please...
Is there a young PG out there???

You know what I didn't care for with Beno -- dude was terrible but never acknowledged it. I mean at least Ray knows he's been awful and says it. With this guy Udrih, it was always someone else's fault. Having said that I think he's still capable of playing a lot better and I believe his reputation is still fairly high around the league (not as high as Aaron Brooks' though I guess, right? ). Wouldn't surprise me if he got picked up quickly (San Antonio maybe - I read they had interest).

Seth Curry or Kalin Lucas are the 2 PGs I'd like to see us bring in. On or the other...Didn't really like what I saw from CJ Leslie at all. I think Devin Ebanks is a much better prospect at the 3. Ebanks' skills are much further along--not even close. Agree on Chris Smith -- want no part of him at all.

Felton Shump Artest Anthony Chandler penciled in as starters at the beginning if the year. To me Beno was gravy. I understand cutting Beno, but Ron is the only true SF on the roster. Shump is out of position there as well as THJ. Is there a plug and play starting SF out there? Are we going to judge young guys we are playing out of position? What is the plan here? Are we letting Anthony walk because if they cut these 2 and bring up d leaguers this season isn't about winning? If we are cutting vets shouldn't our starting line up look something like

Murray Hardaway Anthony Tyler Chandler

since we have no SF on the roster?

joec32033 wrote:So...ok...I get it but..ok...I had

Felton Shump Artest Anthony Chandler penciled in as starters at the beginning if the year. To me Beno was gravy. I understand cutting Beno, but Ron is the only true SF on the roster. Shump is out of position there as well as THJ. Is there a plug and play starting SF out there? Are we going to judge young guys we are playing out of position? What is the plan here? Are we letting Anthony walk because if they cut these 2 and bring up d leaguers this season isn't about winning? If we are cutting vets shouldn't our starting line up look something like

Murray Hardaway Anthony Tyler Chandler

since we have no SF on the roster?

the league hardly has any traditional 2g's..How could shump be a shooting guard when he can't even shoot..your either a pg/combo guard or a sf/pf..demar rozen is one of the only true shooting guards in the league.

Majority of the Centers (aka) Big men in the league shoot face up jumpers and have no post game, tyson has no post up game, and shoots a (close my eyes) jumper (did he hit it.) with out a pg tyson is trash, like D howard is avg.

It's a pick and roll league, come off of screens, shoot 3's league. If an NBA team does not have guards that can get in the paint consistently, your going to struggle most nights.

The fact that were start priggs and ray is as bone head a move as i have seen woodson make. two slow ass guards, 1 won't shoot, the other can't shoot, neither gets to the free throw line, suspect defenders, and our bigs, and wings suffer because of it.

I would go for one of those dL players or a FA coming back from over seas, but you had a slim chance of making the Playoffs and you cut 2 players like you can afford to..

http://www.sportingnews.com/nba/story/2014-02-22/metta-world-peace-ron-artest-daniel-artest-knicks-woodson-management-fans-