knicks1248 wrote:

Dagger wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I have mix feelings about amare because without him there's no melo, and who knows where this team would be..

The guy is definitely a rotation player, and with the right PG, can still be pretty good.

If I'm amare I'm not giving back sht, he basically revitalize the franchise, and we have been in the playoffs every year he's been here..

Revitalize? He's played half a season well! That's nonsense talk.

regardless if he only played one game, he got some decent players to sign/wanna come here.

We drafted Ewing( a hall of famer) and went to the finals twice in 15 yrs..cavs had LBJ and Now kyrie, where's the championship banner.

The bottom line, we had a plan and deviated from that...from hiring a coach who's roster doesn't suit his style of coaching (MDA & Woodson) to bringing in lame ass pg after lame ass pg that either break down, have a low IQ, or can't shoot.

So when you sit there and blame amare because he makes 22 million, think about the players that you put around him that don't complement him.. Yeah he's been hurt, but so has majority of the stars in the league as well( westbrook, rose, rondo, wade, ganger, kyrie,love, deron williams) to name a few.

Aside from Melo, KD, and LBJ, most of these players get hurt on a regular, it is what it is. Thats why championships are not just about compiling talent, luck plays a role.

I'm a die hard GB packer fan, Rodgers goes down and so did how championship hopes for 2013/14.

Mills can make a block buster trade and bring in a solid cast of players, 1 or 2 injuries can derail everything, and thats the way sports goes.

The yankees were a prime example last season, and while it's good to have a deep roster, you just can't play more then 9 guys consistently, mean while 4 worthy players are sitting on the bench bitching and moaning about PT, becoming distractions, demanding trades, and just fcking up chemistry.

You can't find players that complement a player that doesn't play. I guess we just see things differently because I'm of the opinion that amar'e has done **** for this franchise and it's a joke to even think to compare his Knicks career to Ewing's.

Dagger wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

Dagger wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:I have mix feelings about amare because without him there's no melo, and who knows where this team would be..

The guy is definitely a rotation player, and with the right PG, can still be pretty good.

If I'm amare I'm not giving back sht, he basically revitalize the franchise, and we have been in the playoffs every year he's been here..

Revitalize? He's played half a season well! That's nonsense talk.

regardless if he only played one game, he got some decent players to sign/wanna come here.

We drafted Ewing( a hall of famer) and went to the finals twice in 15 yrs..cavs had LBJ and Now kyrie, where's the championship banner.

The bottom line, we had a plan and deviated from that...from hiring a coach who's roster doesn't suit his style of coaching (MDA & Woodson) to bringing in lame ass pg after lame ass pg that either break down, have a low IQ, or can't shoot.

So when you sit there and blame amare because he makes 22 million, think about the players that you put around him that don't complement him.. Yeah he's been hurt, but so has majority of the stars in the league as well( westbrook, rose, rondo, wade, ganger, kyrie,love, deron williams) to name a few.

Aside from Melo, KD, and LBJ, most of these players get hurt on a regular, it is what it is. Thats why championships are not just about compiling talent, luck plays a role.

I'm a die hard GB packer fan, Rodgers goes down and so did how championship hopes for 2013/14.

Mills can make a block buster trade and bring in a solid cast of players, 1 or 2 injuries can derail everything, and thats the way sports goes.

The yankees were a prime example last season, and while it's good to have a deep roster, you just can't play more then 9 guys consistently, mean while 4 worthy players are sitting on the bench bitching and moaning about PT, becoming distractions, demanding trades, and just fcking up chemistry.

You can't find players that complement a player that doesn't play. I guess we just see things differently because I'm of the opinion that amar'e has done **** for this franchise and it's a joke to even think to compare his Knicks career to Ewing's.

Vmart wrote:Melo wants to opt out to max his money. Amare knows this is his last max deal. Why would he opt out?

Melo has leverage to take "less".....But he still will have a long term deal.

Amare is MLE at best going forward. Lets see if he wants to be here long term after his contract is up.

Nalod wrote:

Vmart wrote:Melo wants to opt out to max his money. Amare knows this is his last max deal. Why would he opt out?

Melo has leverage to take "less".....But he still will have a long term deal.

Amare is MLE at best going forward. Lets see if he wants to be here long term after his contract is up.

That stat that herring posted where the Knicks have been out scored by 160 pts when amare is on the floor and that the team outs ores opponents by 60 when he is off the floor says enough for me that the Knicks should move on. Tired of hearing amare say he should be finishing games when he is such a liability on d.

RonRon wrote:Using the stretch provision for AB, needing STAT and Melo to take a paycut with their player option, and moving Chandler could be a possiblity

To what purpose? What's the plan after that happens to make us a contender?

yellowboy90 wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:Because next year doesn't matter. The only thing Amare opting out would do, if he even has an opt-out, is save Dolan some money. Anyone who's paid attention to the Knicks situation and the rest of the league understands that next year doesn't matter for us because there's virtually no chance we'll be under the cap and, even if we were, there are no free agents of note. When we try to rebuild this team again will start in 2015 at which point Amare's contract doesn't matter since it will have expired. Arguing that Amare should opt out so we can resign him to a $5M+ contract that would eat up more of our future cap space is, to put it bluntly, ****ing stupid.

The reason we're so concerned about Melo's contract is, unlike Amare, we're going to try to resign him when he opts out. And Melo hasn't guaranteed that he'll take less or said how much less he's willing to take. If we were either more honest or smarter than he wouldn't even be opting out next year for a theoretical smaller contract; and smaller contract that would actually help us build a better team needs to be below $20M/year. If he's honest about taking a significantly smaller contract is opt-in for next year, bank that $23M, and then sign a contract for between $14M and $18M per year.

P.S. Don't know why you brought up Bargs, we're not ones who wanted his useless ass.

We would need a nimble front office for that to happen...The players union would also have a say so even if Amare considered it...But that said, we should have done a Chandler salary dump before the deadline...Lowry would be the target for 2014...

Lowry would only marginally improve this team; he wouldn't make us title contenders.

http://data.shamsports.com/content/pages/data/salaries/knicks.jsp

Here's our salary situation.

We have $90M committed for next season and the cap will be a little over $58M; please explain how dumping Tyson's contract, and apparently not taking any salary back, and Amare opting out, and then us resigning him with an MLE sized contract, creates enough room to sign Lowry.

Actually, his defense alone would improve the team. Throw in his offense and ability to shoot the three and that's a huge impact.

Lowry's a nice player but you're dreaming if you think he makes some sort of real significant impact on this team; unless you think moving up to the 6th seed counts and still without a plan to become title contedners as significant