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Bonn1997
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2/22/2014  12:59 AM    LAST EDITED: 2/22/2014  1:00 AM
gunsnewing wrote:
yellowboy90 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:We win this game with shumpert

This is for you Guns.


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Shumpert's Absence Will Prove His Value to the Knicks

I know. I'm always right



By Chris Herring

Updated Feb. 21, 2014 9:03 p.m. ET

Mike Woodson will miss Iman Shumpert more than fans might think. Associated Press

ORLANDO, Fla.—Knick fans can be forgiven for believing that the loss of the injured Iman Shumpert for two weeks might actually help the team if Mike Woodson just gives his minutes to J.R. Smith or rookie Tim Hardaway, Jr.

Shumpert, who has been seemingly allergic to the idea of getting to the rim, can't compare to Smith or Hardaway on offense. Even though he's been shooting 35% from three-point range (right at league-average), opponents have usually been comfortable leaving him open, in part because he only takes about three triples a game. So it wasn't very surprising when Woodson said Friday that he'd consider letting Smith start for the rest of the season if the team plays well while Shumpert is out.

But there's reason to think that Shumpert is much more valuable than he appears. The Knicks score more when he's on the court (105 points per 100 plays) than with Smith (104) or Hardaway (102). And Shumpert's rebounding rate of 9.8% is fourth-best in the NBA among guards, better than Smith (7.3%) or Hardaway (4.1%), both of whom are an inch taller than Shumpert.

Defensively, Shumpert has a tendency to be overaggressive, but the Knicks have surrendered just 102 points per 100 plays when he's on the floor, a figure that would rank the Knicks eighth-best in the NBA. When Shumpert goes to the bench, that number swells to 109 points per 100 plays, which is dead last. (With Smith and Hardaway, the Knicks allows 107.7 and 109.4 points per 100 plays, respectively, according to NBA.com.)

One reason for the disparity: The veteran-laden Knicks, who use double-teams on defense more than any other NBA team, are usually too slow when they use anyone but Shumpert to double.

A look back through game films reveals that opposing teams are scoring 48.2% of the time (53-of-110) when the Knicks use someone other than Shumpert to double-team in the post. But they allow baskets just 20.4% of the time (9-of-44) when Shumpert is bringing the double-team. According to Synergy Sports, the former rate would qualify as the best rate in the league, while the latter would easily rank as the worst.

Here's a good example: On Tuesday night in Memphis, with Shumpert on the bench, the Grizzlies' Mike Miller hit a critical three-pointer in the closing moments of what should have been a Knicks victory. Miller was wide open because Pablo Prigioni was busy double-teaming Memphis's Zach Randolph and couldn't get back to the perimeter in time to contest the shot.

The Knicks could find themselves the victims of this sort of play over the next week, as the Knicks will play four of the NBA's top-10 three-point shooting clubs.

Smith said the Knicks are essentially instructed to always double-team in the post once the ball reaches a certain point, regardless of who has the ball. "When we've got a guy going toward the paint, our scheme is to go double automatically," Smith said earlier this month when asked why the Knicks would consistently double-teamed Portland's Robin Lopez in a loss to the Trail Blazers.

Now, with Shumpert out and teams ready to take advantage of that habit, the Knicks may want to re-think their strategy.

In terms of the rebounding rate, Shumpert deserves credit. With the defensive #s, my guess is that at least part of the issue is that Shumpert is playing more min with Melo and Tyson while JR and Hardaway are playing more min with Amare and other bench players up front.

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2/22/2014  1:27 AM
it literally took one game for people to forget how horrible Shumpert is.
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2/22/2014  4:50 AM
What a terrible team. And really it starts with the coach.

If you want to know why he is still here, it is simple. Dolan needs a coach who is an extension of himself. Not many prostitutes, I mean human beings, would agree to that.

I hope Melo leaves, even though he got himself into this situation, we need to blow this team up. Unfortunately we still owe picks. Just sickening.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
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2/22/2014  7:33 AM
We are 5 full games out of the 8 seed with 28 to go--weve lost to the bucks kings and magic in the last two weeks---done done done.
RIP Crushalot😞
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2/22/2014  8:11 AM
And how can we change anything? We have no assets outside of Timmy Jr and a broken Shump.
Our only chance is to change the culture and that would start with the coach, or rather the owner, but the latter, unfortunately, isn't going anywhere.

The good news is we have our pick next year! But Dolan will be the owner still.

This team is like a centralized corrupt government that is in the failing stages.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
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2/22/2014  8:30 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:What a terrible team. And really it starts with the coach.

If you want to know why he is still here, it is simple. Dolan needs a coach who is an extension of himself. Not many prostitutes, I mean human beings, would agree to that.

I hope Melo leaves, even though he got himself into this situation, we need to blow this team up. Unfortunately we still owe picks. Just sickening.

18-6
54-28

When you have Felton and Priggs as your starting back court you got problems.

Murry is not that good.

Believe it or not all players can go 30 plus min and maintain effectiveness.

The roster is flawed. Just accept it.

Personally I thought Last year he had them playing over their heads. He still might be. Its how bad the roster is.
Its why Barkley was right.

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2/22/2014  8:36 AM
Nalod wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:What a terrible team. And really it starts with the coach.

If you want to know why he is still here, it is simple. Dolan needs a coach who is an extension of himself. Not many prostitutes, I mean human beings, would agree to that.

I hope Melo leaves, even though he got himself into this situation, we need to blow this team up. Unfortunately we still owe picks. Just sickening.

18-6
54-28

When you have Felton and Priggs as your starting back court you got problems.

Murry is not that good.

Believe it or not all players can go 30 plus min and maintain effectiveness.

The roster is flawed. Just accept it.

Personally I thought Last year he had them playing over their heads. He still might be. Its how bad the roster is.
Its why Barkley was right.

There were a few terrible decisions along the way. I will say though, we might dump Chandler for picks AFTER Melo is signed. Don't count Phoenix out yet.
I think the beginning of the end was letting Lin go over FELTON. I can see letting Lin go, but over Felton? My God, what a terrible decision and half the board called it.
It starts with the PG (unless your Forward does his job) and Felton never proved he was even a good PG. Some hope in his earlier years though.

Your point regarding minutes is a GREAT one. Many forget Chandler was just that, a 30 minute a night guy and now he is often a 40 minute a night guy and Melo just doesn't sit
and then we hate on him because he is no longer clutch at the end of games.

I never questioned that the roster is flawed. I called it when they let Lin go and brought Felton here. Also, this is bigger than the roster, it is an inflexible coach who really
is just an extension of Joffrey, I mean Dolan. (Game of Thrones joke there.)

Gentlemen, we are between a rock and a hard place.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
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2/22/2014  8:43 AM
earthmansurfer wrote:
Nalod wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:What a terrible team. And really it starts with the coach.

If you want to know why he is still here, it is simple. Dolan needs a coach who is an extension of himself. Not many prostitutes, I mean human beings, would agree to that.

I hope Melo leaves, even though he got himself into this situation, we need to blow this team up. Unfortunately we still owe picks. Just sickening.

18-6
54-28

When you have Felton and Priggs as your starting back court you got problems.

Murry is not that good.

Believe it or not all players can go 30 plus min and maintain effectiveness.

The roster is flawed. Just accept it.

Personally I thought Last year he had them playing over their heads. He still might be. Its how bad the roster is.
Its why Barkley was right.

There were a few terrible decisions along the way. I will say though, we might dump Chandler for picks AFTER Melo is signed. Don't count Phoenix out yet.
I think the beginning of the end was letting Lin go over FELTON. I can see letting Lin go, but over Felton? My God, what a terrible decision and half the board called it.
It starts with the PG (unless your Forward does his job) and Felton never proved he was even a good PG. Some hope in his earlier years though.

Your point regarding minutes is a GREAT one. Many forget Chandler was just that, a 30 minute a night guy and now he is often a 40 minute a night guy and Melo just doesn't sit
and then we hate on him because he is no longer clutch at the end of games.

I never questioned that the roster is flawed. I called it when they let Lin go and brought Felton here. Also, this is bigger than the roster, it is an inflexible coach who really
is just an extension of Joffrey, I mean Dolan. (Game of Thrones joke there.)

Gentlemen, we are between a rock and a hard place.

Lin? It sucked to let him go but the problems started about ten years before that.

earthmansurfer
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2/22/2014  8:54 AM
Bonn1997 wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:
Nalod wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:What a terrible team. And really it starts with the coach.

If you want to know why he is still here, it is simple. Dolan needs a coach who is an extension of himself. Not many prostitutes, I mean human beings, would agree to that.

I hope Melo leaves, even though he got himself into this situation, we need to blow this team up. Unfortunately we still owe picks. Just sickening.

18-6
54-28

When you have Felton and Priggs as your starting back court you got problems.

Murry is not that good.

Believe it or not all players can go 30 plus min and maintain effectiveness.

The roster is flawed. Just accept it.

Personally I thought Last year he had them playing over their heads. He still might be. Its how bad the roster is.
Its why Barkley was right.

There were a few terrible decisions along the way. I will say though, we might dump Chandler for picks AFTER Melo is signed. Don't count Phoenix out yet.
I think the beginning of the end was letting Lin go over FELTON. I can see letting Lin go, but over Felton? My God, what a terrible decision and half the board called it.
It starts with the PG (unless your Forward does his job) and Felton never proved he was even a good PG. Some hope in his earlier years though.

Your point regarding minutes is a GREAT one. Many forget Chandler was just that, a 30 minute a night guy and now he is often a 40 minute a night guy and Melo just doesn't sit
and then we hate on him because he is no longer clutch at the end of games.

I never questioned that the roster is flawed. I called it when they let Lin go and brought Felton here. Also, this is bigger than the roster, it is an inflexible coach who really
is just an extension of Joffrey, I mean Dolan. (Game of Thrones joke there.)

Gentlemen, we are between a rock and a hard place.

Lin? It sucked to let him go but the problems started about ten years before that.

I was really talking about after Melo got here. Anyway, I am not sure a championship can be guided and coached my Dolan, that is essentially the problem.

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
Terrible. Terrible terrible

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