Finestrg wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Unfortunately, Briggs is going to be right with his calls and management wrong with its move (note, I left the "s" out).
Hopefully Tyler continues to develop and that fills up the center slot. That makes Tyson expendable, my hope is we can
get a nice PG out of trading Chandler. I don't want to do it, but we have little to no flexibility.
More than likely, Melo is not going to want younguns being the hope of the team (for him to resign).

EMS

Hey man, if a couple of young promising building blocks are all we can provide at the moment -- do it. You do it not only to appease Melo on some small scale but also because it'll be beneficial no matter what direction the team goes in -- Melo or no Melo (I disagree btw -- imho, a few young guns that can actually play can do wonders to re-galvanize vets players that may have lost some of their mojo. Young players with promise = a brighter future. Remember how Melo felt about Josh Selby? He was gushing over that kid. That was his guy in the Shumpert draft, the guy he wanted...Plus Melo had a courtside seat for the NBDL all-star game this weekend -- you know quiet a few guys in that game must've opened his eyes and he probably got to know a few of them guys personally). Just my 2 cents..

Also, a little further on Pierre Jackson -- I doubt seriously that the price tag for this young man, if & when he gets traded, will be that high. It may seem that way now because his stock continues to climb but realistically how high can it really be? Higher than Kyle Lowry, the number #1 PG on the block out there, who's having a career year? At a minimum, Masai Ujiri will be looking for NBA-ready talent that equals Lowry's current salary ($6.2mm entering this season) + a 1st round pick...And you know what, that's pretty fair...I don't want the Knicks to give up the pick so I recommend passing (enough is a enough with the damn picks already, come on seriously), but that's a pretty fair asking price. How can Jackson's price tag be that high? Again, I like him a lot and the following is no big deal to me at all--I'm willing to assume the couple of risks involved--but for negotiation purposes on our end, there are certain risks here: he technically is undersized at only 5'10.5", never player an NBA game, etc. Plus, here's another thing -- Toronto doesn't have to trade Lowry. I'm not even sure it's in their best interest. That team is on top in the Atlantic, the only team over .500 in the division. Playoff bound. Why not build that team with Lowry? Why not re-sign him? He's still fairly young, entering his prime and competing at a high level. He's a HUGE reason they're over .500 and playing as well as they are. Now Demps doesn't have to trade Jackson either but it's a different situation -- they obviously got turned off by this kid somewhere along the way and are making him suffer now a little bit (and willing to suffer to some extent themselves - this is classic 'cut of their nose to spite their face' stuff going on here) -- maybe it's because he expressed his opinion early on that he didn't want to play there, that he wanted to go to France instead, etc. I'm not sure but there's something there. Come on, you've got an exciting talent like this and don't call him up when Holiday went down weeks ago? And then no callup since he's exploded even further? What use is keeping an asset around that ultimately can't/won't help you? If they really want to get rid of Tyreke Evans (and they appear serious about doing so) I'd be willing to take him on (more risks btw---he's had a disappointing year all around) in exchange for Chandler with the caveat that this kid Jackson be included in the deal. I'd also be willing to throw in whatever small sweeteners we currently have available to us in order to satisfy: money, Toure Murry, Jeremy Tyler (promising but he can be replaced--trust me), Cole Aldrich, Beno Udrih, etc...Who else out there is willing to offer up such a package -- millions in savings over a 2-3 year period, a semi-premier C in Tyson Chandler with the perception that he could be a real good mentor to a guy like Anthony Davis, maybe a 2nd YOUNG big with promise (Tyler/Aldrich), a fellow promising guard in Toure Murry (let's be fair, he's no P-Jax but this kid looked pretty good when Woody's used him), instant vet backcourt help in Beno Udrih at a great price (I think Udrih would be a nice piece there, even when Holiday returns)? Again, risks on our end involved with both incoming players but I feel like we should assume these risks and pursue this deal. How does our mgmt. feel about this? What are they doing? What are they prepared to do moving forward?

I'm not sure I understand why you said what you did. I was saying that Briggs makes good picks, but in Melo's eyes, for him to resign he wants to see something now. At least that would make some sense.
Anyway, I don't think he nor any coach that comes here is going to want rookies to change the team around. Do I believe in doing that? You? Other fans? HELL YES we do, but Doldo is running things.
You think I was saying not to refuse young talent? I said nothing of the sort.

In summary, I think management is going to do another dumb move. Trading Tyson for a high pick or a upgrade at PG makes too much sense.
I do hope we get some young players in here. Doldo management style does not seem to work and bringing in Mills (again) has trouble written all over it.

I do have hope that we turn things around, but not because of Doldo, rather, in spite of him.