dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

misterearl wrote:Holfresh - exactly

Until a plan is set, fans in The Garden need to institute a "Doh-Laaan" chant.

Have a plan to acquire four quality starters plus one sixth man to put around number 7.

Trade Carmelo or lose him for nothing.

You do the math.

I don't think you trade Melo. There aren't many close to his level in the nba. I think you have a plan to make the team better around him. The problem is can the management/ownership group get this done. I think they have a better chance of making it work then doing it by dumping Melo and trying to draft the right guys. Not sure how Mills drafts but Walsh was horrible at it when he was in NY. The best center draft in decades landed the Knicks a guy that played the same position as Wilson Chandler and allegedly had already had back problems. The best point guard draft in recent memory landed the Knicks Jordan Hill who subsequently was traded with the Knicks top 3 protected pick to dump salary. And the second round where he could have taken a chance on first round talent that needed to develop, he went with the oldest guy in the draft that wasn't supposed to be picked and could have been a camp invite if the Knicks were so hot on having a short, slow 24 year old three point shooter as their 15th man.

good job at muddying the waters as usual. dolan and isaiah made the knicks a laughingstock and walsh was brought in to right the ship at stern's "request." the knicks were once a proud flagship franchise and dolan has made it a farce.

at least with walsh you had some sort of plan to flush away the crap that isaiah and dolan created. was the process perfect? hell no. but there was at least a plan, an outline. this plan was summarily spooged by dolan and melo and voila! we have this **** show.

i think you trade melo.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

misterearl wrote:Holfresh - exactly

Until a plan is set, fans in The Garden need to institute a "Doh-Laaan" chant.

Have a plan to acquire four quality starters plus one sixth man to put around number 7.

Trade Carmelo or lose him for nothing.

You do the math.

I don't think you trade Melo. There aren't many close to his level in the nba. I think you have a plan to make the team better around him. The problem is can the management/ownership group get this done. I think they have a better chance of making it work then doing it by dumping Melo and trying to draft the right guys. Not sure how Mills drafts but Walsh was horrible at it when he was in NY. The best center draft in decades landed the Knicks a guy that played the same position as Wilson Chandler and allegedly had already had back problems. The best point guard draft in recent memory landed the Knicks Jordan Hill who subsequently was traded with the Knicks top 3 protected pick to dump salary. And the second round where he could have taken a chance on first round talent that needed to develop, he went with the oldest guy in the draft that wasn't supposed to be picked and could have been a camp invite if the Knicks were so hot on having a short, slow 24 year old three point shooter as their 15th man.

good job at muddying the waters as usual. dolan and isaiah made the knicks a laughingstock and walsh was brought in to right the ship at stern's "request." the knicks were once a proud flagship franchise and dolan has made it a farce.

at least with walsh you had some sort of plan to flush away the crap that isaiah and dolan created. was the process perfect? hell no. but there was at least a plan, an outline. this plan was summarily spooged by dolan and melo and voila! we have this **** show.

i think you trade melo.

Walsh's tenure was not good. He hired the wrong coach and spent his time in NY trying to fix that. He drafted guys that fit his coaches system or didn't need a mentor which D'Antoni wasn't. He also let everyone know his 'plan' and was taken advantage of in every trade he made. Is a simplistic plan that allows other teams to improve because they know your plan and doesn't work out really a good plan? Come on now. You just want to spin it back to Melo.

misterearl wrote:Carmelo will be 30 years old on May 29

Sign him to a 5 year max deal and you are inviting Amare Part 2. Melo already shows subtle signs of wearing down at the end of games. What happens in two years?

Fact is, Steve Mills reports to Houston who reports to Dolan who approves or rejects any deals. Melo knows the front office is dysfunctional. How much faith does he have in the suits to assemble a championship set of running buddies in one off season?

Two off seasons? Championship?

By then he is 32 and even more worn down, who is he running with?

Melo knows it is not happening in New York and his attempts at diplomacy cannot mask that it is all about him.

He gotta go so we can move on. Portland survived losing their number one selection. Three years later they are fun to watch. As the end of the day, is t it about having fun watching good hoops?

The next 3-5 years can be spent with yoots we can rally behind, or the same ole same ole.

Get Chicago on the phone.

misterearl wrote:30

Crush - more important... Watch the futures game and check the next wave of yoots

If we are not getting better (or younger) we are falling behind. Melo will not get any younger. Do you really want to invest the next FIVE years in him being the same player he is today?

The game waits for no one. Not even Melo.

Well said. And I agree - check the next wave of yoots...always. If you have an assemblage that a star thinks puts him over the top...he's more likely to sign for less, and get to the promised land.

We're not in that place yet. Yoots = talent on the cheap. Get er done muffah.

misterearl wrote:30

Crush - more important... Watch the futures game and check the next wave of yoots

If we are not getting better (or younger) we are falling behind. Melo will not get any younger. Do you really want to invest the next FIVE years in him being the same player he is today?

The game waits for no one. Not even Melo.

misterearl wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:What will people say when he leaves for no compensation. Don't blame Dolan than. You agreed with rolling the dice. Ask yourself this 1 honest question is this roster a championship roster or even close. if you answer no what logically would make melo stay?

In regards to what people would say I think there would be a lot of second guessing. Why didn't they trade for Lowry, why didn't they match Lin's deal, why didn't they sign another big, bobby brown, kendall marshall... I think it will be about managements inability to get nba caliber players that are healthy to play with Melo. Why weren't needs addressed etc.

Crush - if the suits are worried about what people will say they are nothing but biches. This is New freakin York, people will talk trash and pour haterade on your favorite sweater no matter what you do. Stop thinking public relations and think basketball.

Have some courage, grow a pair and set this franchise for the future thinking 5 years ahead. Not just for today. Melo is a today move.

I ain't got no time for rehashing old errors or the Way back machine.

Forward

I'm really digging Mr. Earl lately!

Moonangie wrote:
Well said. And I agree - check the next wave of yoots...always. If you have an assemblage that a star thinks puts him over the top...he's more likely to sign for less, and get to the promised land.

We're not in that place yet. Yoots = talent on the cheap. Get er done muffah.

Moonangie - the best part about going with yoots is that it brings balance, both on the court and at the bank. No more top heavy contracts with others making peanuts. Spread the wealth and share the rock.

Melo as the centerpiece only stunts the growth of any players who are still finding their groove. A veteran will need to learn how to play with him. A draft pick or Summer League discovery will defer out of fear.

No question about Melo's supreme talent as a scorer. By contrast, better basketball requires rebounding, assists, deflections, blocked shots and defense. If Melo stays, the ball remains magnetized to him. There is less sharing and his ego remains dominant. Is that the brand of Knicks basketball you want to watch for the next five years? Really?

Hear me now and believe me later... Scottie Pippen is not walking through that door.

To be clear... going with yoots is unpredictable, risky, crazy... and fun.

It also means less drama. Less ego. Less isolation. Let's get back to vintage New York Knicks team basketball. Move without the ball. Hit the open man. All for one and one for all. Repeat. One for all and all for one.

Are we not men?

That's why it's hard for guys like Amare and Lin or anyone(who is not an Allstar PG-with ball in hand) to thrive with Melo

gunsnewing wrote:Exactly^

That's why it's hard for guys like Amare and Lin or anyone(who is not an Allstar PG-with ball in hand) to thrive with Melo

Amar'e numbers with w/o Melo vs.

eFG/FG% = 54.1%

TS% = 57

ast/fga = 53.4%

ppp = 1.05

pps = 1.14

USG = 28.7

w/ Melo

eFG/FG% = 63%

TS% = 64.4%

ast/fga = 70.1%

ppp = 1.18

pps = 1.29

USG = 22.1

I can really see why people say Amar'e and Melo do not gel.

We can have a team full of yoot, but it doesn't mean they are going to develop into anything special. Even if they do, does anyone have confidence that this organization will keep them? Talent like Melo is hard to come by, I think we do what we can to build around him (or with him, semantics). The Sacramento Kings are loaded with Yoot....How is that working out for them?