holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

first of all i own. secondly my business has experienced significant growth and i have created a healthy work environment where personal and professional growth is also possible. translation: i am winning both as a businessman and mentor.

now, before you start yanking yourself with whatever weak sauce response you are going to make, lets be clear: you believe that dolan and melo are winners because they make tens of millions of dollars. you have stated this many many times now so everyone here knows what side of the bread is buttered for you in terms of the whole business of sport. yet the knicks are sickening when it comes to winning as a whole and having a healthy work environment where young people can develop as players and people.

dolan, thomas, warkentein, mills, houston, marbury, anthony, smith, and even woodson and grunwald simply disgust me. yet they make money so they are winners in your mind. i guess since brown and d'antoni made money here they too are winners? LMAO. oh i almost forgot: there's that nagging little detail, namely, that the whole purpose of sport is to win championships, titles.

i will repeat: carmelo anthony and james dolan both love money more than they hate losing. yes or no?????

it's a yes/no question champ!

my answer is "yes" and because it is "yes," that both dolan and anthony are hypocrites and losers.

Well if u own a business then you should know what the bottom line is..This is a business first and foremost ..Bron/Wade etc taking a paycut in a tax free state along with winning a Championship bring in endorsement dollars at a higher clip..It's a no brainer for them to make that move business wise..Everyone likes money even you..You aren't being altruistic owning a biz..You are being a hypocrite gunning after profits yourself and asking someone else to forgo it..

Would be interested to know what his business is that places earnings secondary to employee mentoring.

foosballnick wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

first of all i own. secondly my business has experienced significant growth and i have created a healthy work environment where personal and professional growth is also possible. translation: i am winning both as a businessman and mentor.

now, before you start yanking yourself with whatever weak sauce response you are going to make, lets be clear: you believe that dolan and melo are winners because they make tens of millions of dollars. you have stated this many many times now so everyone here knows what side of the bread is buttered for you in terms of the whole business of sport. yet the knicks are sickening when it comes to winning as a whole and having a healthy work environment where young people can develop as players and people.

dolan, thomas, warkentein, mills, houston, marbury, anthony, smith, and even woodson and grunwald simply disgust me. yet they make money so they are winners in your mind. i guess since brown and d'antoni made money here they too are winners? LMAO. oh i almost forgot: there's that nagging little detail, namely, that the whole purpose of sport is to win championships, titles.

i will repeat: carmelo anthony and james dolan both love money more than they hate losing. yes or no?????

it's a yes/no question champ!

my answer is "yes" and because it is "yes," that both dolan and anthony are hypocrites and losers.

Well if u own a business then you should know what the bottom line is..This is a business first and foremost ..Bron/Wade etc taking a paycut in a tax free state along with winning a Championship bring in endorsement dollars at a higher clip..It's a no brainer for them to make that move business wise..Everyone likes money even you..You aren't being altruistic owning a biz..You are being a hypocrite gunning after profits yourself and asking someone else to forgo it..

Would be interested to know what his business is that places earnings secondary to employee mentoring.

where did i say that

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

first of all i own. secondly my business has experienced significant growth and i have created a healthy work environment where personal and professional growth is also possible. translation: i am winning both as a businessman and mentor.

now, before you start yanking yourself with whatever weak sauce response you are going to make, lets be clear: you believe that dolan and melo are winners because they make tens of millions of dollars. you have stated this many many times now so everyone here knows what side of the bread is buttered for you in terms of the whole business of sport. yet the knicks are sickening when it comes to winning as a whole and having a healthy work environment where young people can develop as players and people.

dolan, thomas, warkentein, mills, houston, marbury, anthony, smith, and even woodson and grunwald simply disgust me. yet they make money so they are winners in your mind. i guess since brown and d'antoni made money here they too are winners? LMAO. oh i almost forgot: there's that nagging little detail, namely, that the whole purpose of sport is to win championships, titles.

i will repeat: carmelo anthony and james dolan both love money more than they hate losing. yes or no?????

it's a yes/no question champ!

my answer is "yes" and because it is "yes," that both dolan and anthony are hypocrites and losers.

thats pretty much it in a nutshell..

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

first of all i own. secondly my business has experienced significant growth and i have created a healthy work environment where personal and professional growth is also possible. translation: i am winning both as a businessman and mentor.

now, before you start yanking yourself with whatever weak sauce response you are going to make, lets be clear: you believe that dolan and melo are winners because they make tens of millions of dollars. you have stated this many many times now so everyone here knows what side of the bread is buttered for you in terms of the whole business of sport. yet the knicks are sickening when it comes to winning as a whole and having a healthy work environment where young people can develop as players and people.

dolan, thomas, warkentein, mills, houston, marbury, anthony, smith, and even woodson and grunwald simply disgust me. yet they make money so they are winners in your mind. i guess since brown and d'antoni made money here they too are winners? LMAO. oh i almost forgot: there's that nagging little detail, namely, that the whole purpose of sport is to win championships, titles.

i will repeat: carmelo anthony and james dolan both love money more than they hate losing. yes or no?????

it's a yes/no question champ!

my answer is "yes" and because it is "yes," that both dolan and anthony are hypocrites and losers.

Well if u own a business then you should know what the bottom line is..This is a business first and foremost ..Bron/Wade etc taking a paycut in a tax free state along with winning a Championship bring in endorsement dollars at a higher clip..It's a no brainer for them to make that move business wise..Everyone likes money even you..You aren't being altruistic owning a biz..You are being a hypocrite gunning after profits yourself and asking someone else to forgo it..

it's possible to both be profitable and help others become successful.

what about the yes/no question

It's a silly question..If you ask me if I want a Knick Championship in my lifetime or 10 mil, I'm taking the money..My answer Melo and Dolan doesn't matter because you have blinders on..I have no problem with an owner willing to spend all his money to win...Dolan is trying to do that...You just can't see it..He is misguided yes, but he wants to win...Dolan had it all arse backwards...He should have had Isiah rebuild it from scratch, Isiah could draft and knew talent..Donny and MDA turned out to be a horror show and we are here because of it..Dolan is trying..Dolan wants to make money too..

Melo wants to win too but wants his cash too..He will take a paycut but won't play for free as most of u fans want..U are not realistic..

wait are speaking as a fan or putting yourself in melo's shoes.

as a fan i would rather take 10 million than see the knicks win that is a no-brainer.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

first of all i own. secondly my business has experienced significant growth and i have created a healthy work environment where personal and professional growth is also possible. translation: i am winning both as a businessman and mentor.

now, before you start yanking yourself with whatever weak sauce response you are going to make, lets be clear: you believe that dolan and melo are winners because they make tens of millions of dollars. you have stated this many many times now so everyone here knows what side of the bread is buttered for you in terms of the whole business of sport. yet the knicks are sickening when it comes to winning as a whole and having a healthy work environment where young people can develop as players and people.

dolan, thomas, warkentein, mills, houston, marbury, anthony, smith, and even woodson and grunwald simply disgust me. yet they make money so they are winners in your mind. i guess since brown and d'antoni made money here they too are winners? LMAO. oh i almost forgot: there's that nagging little detail, namely, that the whole purpose of sport is to win championships, titles.

i will repeat: carmelo anthony and james dolan both love money more than they hate losing. yes or no?????

it's a yes/no question champ!

my answer is "yes" and because it is "yes," that both dolan and anthony are hypocrites and losers.

Well if u own a business then you should know what the bottom line is..This is a business first and foremost ..Bron/Wade etc taking a paycut in a tax free state along with winning a Championship bring in endorsement dollars at a higher clip..It's a no brainer for them to make that move business wise..Everyone likes money even you..You aren't being altruistic owning a biz..You are being a hypocrite gunning after profits yourself and asking someone else to forgo it..

it's possible to both be profitable and help others become successful.

what about the yes/no question

It's a silly question..If you ask me if I want a Knick Championship in my lifetime or 10 mil, I'm taking the money..My answer Melo and Dolan doesn't matter because you have blinders on..I have no problem with an owner willing to spend all his money to win...Dolan is trying to do that...You just can't see it..He is misguided yes, but he wants to win...Dolan had it all arse backwards...He should have had Isiah rebuild it from scratch, Isiah could draft and knew talent..Donny and MDA turned out to be a horror show and we are here because of it..Dolan is trying..Dolan wants to make money too..

Melo wants to win too but wants his cash too..He will take a paycut but won't play for free as most of u fans want..U are not realistic..

wait are speaking as a fan or putting yourself in melo's shoes.

as a fan i would rather take 10 million than see the knicks win that is a no-brainer.

U still think Melo should take 11 mil per only??

ideally yes of course. however the situation will not be ideal and he should be negotiating a contract worth somewhere in the 13-14 million dollar range. if he hates losing more than he loves money then this is an acceptable figure, giving the knicks a better chance of bringing in decent talent.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

first of all i own. secondly my business has experienced significant growth and i have created a healthy work environment where personal and professional growth is also possible. translation: i am winning both as a businessman and mentor.

now, before you start yanking yourself with whatever weak sauce response you are going to make, lets be clear: you believe that dolan and melo are winners because they make tens of millions of dollars. you have stated this many many times now so everyone here knows what side of the bread is buttered for you in terms of the whole business of sport. yet the knicks are sickening when it comes to winning as a whole and having a healthy work environment where young people can develop as players and people.

dolan, thomas, warkentein, mills, houston, marbury, anthony, smith, and even woodson and grunwald simply disgust me. yet they make money so they are winners in your mind. i guess since brown and d'antoni made money here they too are winners? LMAO. oh i almost forgot: there's that nagging little detail, namely, that the whole purpose of sport is to win championships, titles.

i will repeat: carmelo anthony and james dolan both love money more than they hate losing. yes or no?????

it's a yes/no question champ!

my answer is "yes" and because it is "yes," that both dolan and anthony are hypocrites and losers.

Well if u own a business then you should know what the bottom line is..This is a business first and foremost ..Bron/Wade etc taking a paycut in a tax free state along with winning a Championship bring in endorsement dollars at a higher clip..It's a no brainer for them to make that move business wise..Everyone likes money even you..You aren't being altruistic owning a biz..You are being a hypocrite gunning after profits yourself and asking someone else to forgo it..

it's possible to both be profitable and help others become successful.

what about the yes/no question

It's a silly question..If you ask me if I want a Knick Championship in my lifetime or 10 mil, I'm taking the money..My answer Melo and Dolan doesn't matter because you have blinders on..I have no problem with an owner willing to spend all his money to win...Dolan is trying to do that...You just can't see it..He is misguided yes, but he wants to win...Dolan had it all arse backwards...He should have had Isiah rebuild it from scratch, Isiah could draft and knew talent..Donny and MDA turned out to be a horror show and we are here because of it..Dolan is trying..Dolan wants to make money too..

Melo wants to win too but wants his cash too..He will take a paycut but won't play for free as most of u fans want..U are not realistic..

wait are speaking as a fan or putting yourself in melo's shoes.

as a fan i would rather take 10 million than see the knicks win that is a no-brainer.

U still think Melo should take 11 mil per only??

ideally yes of course. however the situation will not be ideal and he should be negotiating a contract worth somewhere in the 13-14 million dollar range. if he hates losing more than he loves money then this is an acceptable figure, giving the knicks a better chance of bringing in decent talent.

The term hate losing more than money makes zero sense and one has nothing to do with the other..

It makes sense. If you think slightly hard, you'll be able to figure out what he's saying.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

first of all i own. secondly my business has experienced significant growth and i have created a healthy work environment where personal and professional growth is also possible. translation: i am winning both as a businessman and mentor.

now, before you start yanking yourself with whatever weak sauce response you are going to make, lets be clear: you believe that dolan and melo are winners because they make tens of millions of dollars. you have stated this many many times now so everyone here knows what side of the bread is buttered for you in terms of the whole business of sport. yet the knicks are sickening when it comes to winning as a whole and having a healthy work environment where young people can develop as players and people.

dolan, thomas, warkentein, mills, houston, marbury, anthony, smith, and even woodson and grunwald simply disgust me. yet they make money so they are winners in your mind. i guess since brown and d'antoni made money here they too are winners? LMAO. oh i almost forgot: there's that nagging little detail, namely, that the whole purpose of sport is to win championships, titles.

i will repeat: carmelo anthony and james dolan both love money more than they hate losing. yes or no?????

it's a yes/no question champ!

my answer is "yes" and because it is "yes," that both dolan and anthony are hypocrites and losers.

Well if u own a business then you should know what the bottom line is..This is a business first and foremost ..Bron/Wade etc taking a paycut in a tax free state along with winning a Championship bring in endorsement dollars at a higher clip..It's a no brainer for them to make that move business wise..Everyone likes money even you..You aren't being altruistic owning a biz..You are being a hypocrite gunning after profits yourself and asking someone else to forgo it..

it's possible to both be profitable and help others become successful.

what about the yes/no question

It's a silly question..If you ask me if I want a Knick Championship in my lifetime or 10 mil, I'm taking the money..My answer Melo and Dolan doesn't matter because you have blinders on..I have no problem with an owner willing to spend all his money to win...Dolan is trying to do that...You just can't see it..He is misguided yes, but he wants to win...Dolan had it all arse backwards...He should have had Isiah rebuild it from scratch, Isiah could draft and knew talent..Donny and MDA turned out to be a horror show and we are here because of it..Dolan is trying..Dolan wants to make money too..

Melo wants to win too but wants his cash too..He will take a paycut but won't play for free as most of u fans want..U are not realistic..

wait are speaking as a fan or putting yourself in melo's shoes.

as a fan i would rather take 10 million than see the knicks win that is a no-brainer.

U still think Melo should take 11 mil per only??

ideally yes of course. however the situation will not be ideal and he should be negotiating a contract worth somewhere in the 13-14 million dollar range. if he hates losing more than he loves money then this is an acceptable figure, giving the knicks a better chance of bringing in decent talent.

The term hate losing more than money makes zero sense and one has nothing to do with the other..

it's not a term it's a phrase and the phrase is "hate losing more than love money." and there is nothing contradictory or "silly" about it. in fact dismissing it as "silly" is just a weak sauce way of avoiding the yes/no question.

does melo love money more than he hates losing?

and if the answer is "no" then how much should he ask to be compensated if he wants to win?

i say 13-14 million a year. anything more is self-defeating and therefore outrageous... and being self-defeating is something he is really good at.

so-- if you answer "no" then what is fair compensation if he is genuine in his desire to win a title?

please don't go the <crickets> route... it's a really bad look.

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:Insane, Insane, these threads...You won't do what u are asking Melo to do..Play for $1.00..He has made generational money already..Tell that to the well over 50% of NBA players who are now broke..

so the reason why he should get max money is because you figure he is going to lose it all eventually?

LMAO nice work champ

Are u going to work tomorrow and ask for a paycut to help the company??

first of all i own. secondly my business has experienced significant growth and i have created a healthy work environment where personal and professional growth is also possible. translation: i am winning both as a businessman and mentor.

now, before you start yanking yourself with whatever weak sauce response you are going to make, lets be clear: you believe that dolan and melo are winners because they make tens of millions of dollars. you have stated this many many times now so everyone here knows what side of the bread is buttered for you in terms of the whole business of sport. yet the knicks are sickening when it comes to winning as a whole and having a healthy work environment where young people can develop as players and people.

dolan, thomas, warkentein, mills, houston, marbury, anthony, smith, and even woodson and grunwald simply disgust me. yet they make money so they are winners in your mind. i guess since brown and d'antoni made money here they too are winners? LMAO. oh i almost forgot: there's that nagging little detail, namely, that the whole purpose of sport is to win championships, titles.

i will repeat: carmelo anthony and james dolan both love money more than they hate losing. yes or no?????

it's a yes/no question champ!

my answer is "yes" and because it is "yes," that both dolan and anthony are hypocrites and losers.

Well if u own a business then you should know what the bottom line is..This is a business first and foremost ..Bron/Wade etc taking a paycut in a tax free state along with winning a Championship bring in endorsement dollars at a higher clip..It's a no brainer for them to make that move business wise..Everyone likes money even you..You aren't being altruistic owning a biz..You are being a hypocrite gunning after profits yourself and asking someone else to forgo it..

it's possible to both be profitable and help others become successful.

what about the yes/no question

It's a silly question..If you ask me if I want a Knick Championship in my lifetime or 10 mil, I'm taking the money..My answer Melo and Dolan doesn't matter because you have blinders on..I have no problem with an owner willing to spend all his money to win...Dolan is trying to do that...You just can't see it..He is misguided yes, but he wants to win...Dolan had it all arse backwards...He should have had Isiah rebuild it from scratch, Isiah could draft and knew talent..Donny and MDA turned out to be a horror show and we are here because of it..Dolan is trying..Dolan wants to make money too..

Melo wants to win too but wants his cash too..He will take a paycut but won't play for free as most of u fans want..U are not realistic..

wait are speaking as a fan or putting yourself in melo's shoes.

as a fan i would rather take 10 million than see the knicks win that is a no-brainer.

U still think Melo should take 11 mil per only??

ideally yes of course. however the situation will not be ideal and he should be negotiating a contract worth somewhere in the 13-14 million dollar range. if he hates losing more than he loves money then this is an acceptable figure, giving the knicks a better chance of bringing in decent talent.

The term hate losing more than money makes zero sense and one has nothing to do with the other..

it's not a term it's a phrase and the phrase is "hate losing more than love money." and there is nothing contradictory or "silly" about it. in fact dismissing it as "silly" is just a weak sauce way of avoiding the yes/no question.

does melo love money more than he hates losing?

and if the answer is "no" then how much should he ask to be compensated if he wants to win?

i say 13-14 million a year. anything more is self-defeating and therefore outrageous... and being self-defeating is something he is really good at.

so-- if you answer "no" then what is fair compensation if he is genuine in his desire to win a title?

please don't go the <crickets> route... it's a really bad look.

It's silly..U are making leaping assumptions that no one actually knows...Melo will take a pay cut to come back but does that mean he likes winning now??.It's silly...Your number that you think is an acceptable number is also outrageous...It does not mean you will win...What's the point of taking a pay cut if guys like Chandler gets overpaid..If we resigned Gallo, you know he was be making upwards of 14 mil...You might think he deserves every penny..

Look it, let's get real...Melo will take less to come back..That is not the important issue here at all..That will not be the driving factor for Melo to resign...The Knicks, no Dolan has to have a plan..And I can't blame Melo for this approach...He could take all that Dolan is willing to offer and run to the bank but he says he won't do that...What has to happen is a change of culture, a plan...No more goobers like MDA who isn't really a coach but a guy with a system having favorites like Gallo in here..No more Donnie stupid presentation to Bron that made us the laughing stock of the guys who thought they were in the running for Bron...No more overpaying for guys like Chandler to cover up a flawed coach approach to the game...No more Marbs having run of the Garden for his personal use...Let's run the Knicks like a first class organization and attract the players we need to win...If I was Melo and I'm taking a pay cut to stay, I need to know we are making the right moves to get us on a winning track...Thats the bottom line..This nonsense that went down over the last 10 years has to stop or I'm taking my show on the road...It can't continue...Chandler is making feaking 14 mil a year...Amare got 100 mil on bad knees and no one saying anything because they love MDA and Donnie...It has to stop....

So continue to cloud the real issue...Fire a few guys..Talk rebuild and "losing assets"..."Does he hate losing more than he loves of money"...Leave Dolan up to his same devises...

Knicks22 wrote:
its not just about cap space, and the money. My issue with him is this: for whatever reason, he couldn't jel with Amare when he got here, quit on MDA (for having the nerve to coach a system which wasn't ISO ball), and, seemed to not be able to work with Lin. Three very different types - superstar (before injuries), coach, and, overachieving frenetic PG. IN each case, Melo couldnt', or wouldn't, accomodate their game.

He's supremely talented scorer, but, based on his track record here, what makes anyone believe that he'll jel with another star player, and, he'll accept a real coach once "roll the ball out and play" woodson is removed?

NOble gesture to take less money, but, to me, I just dont' see how you build around this guy.

Lite on the first 2-3yrs to give us a chance to add talent

Bonn1997 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:$17-$23mil throughout the 5yr duration. Take or leave

Lite on the first 2-3yrs to give us a chance to add talent

We already tried a 4 year period of building around him at $20 mil per, though.

Yea but this time no stupid blunders like signing Amare for $100mil uninsured and picking Tyson over Chris Paul and amnestying Billups and not Amare. Screwing up the Allan Houston provision and the Lin provision that were gifts from the nba