StarksEwing1 wrote:Look i want Woodson gone BUT its not just woodson. the team simply sucks. If people think taht the Knicks will all of a sudden be good when woodson gone then they are really reaching

yea, but we don't suck this bad

we have a horrible coach who has cost us a ton of games

smackeddog wrote:Every time I think it's time to fire Woody (even though the players are equally as bad), I just think of the alternative (Herb Williams as coach) and I don't see the point. Rumours said we'd add Allan Houston and LJ to the bench, but that would mean we have a GM, coach and two assistant coaches with zero experience and who's sole qualification is that they're friends with Dolan. That's ridiculous.

Not as bad. At least this are not the musicians from Straight Shot.
The show at MSG is so bad that it can compete with the worst reality shows and bring a hoards of celebs to the Garden.
Clown is a profession and clown organization is a business strategy. And it is simply brilliantly done by MSG.
So do not cry, lets have good lough. Every game is another comedy.

He'd come. Give him 3 year deal.

Its not is Woody a good coach or do the players suck. Yes to both.

But have the players for whatever reason tuned him out? Are they complacent? Yes. Does a fresh voice help? Yes.

Does a shot across their bow wake them up (Felton)? Yes.

misterearl wrote:franco - do you remember when Willis Reed was hired as head coach?

His frustration that players could not do what he did was too much. Patrick Ewing is a huge risk at head coach.

We missed on Mark Jackson.

We missed out on a lot of guys better than Jackson like Thibs. Clifford is another guy that comes to mind, though can't call him better than Jackson yet. Amazing how horrible of an owner Dolan is.

misterearl wrote:franco - do you remember when Willis Reed was hired as head coach?

His frustration that players could not do what he did was too much. Patrick Ewing is a huge risk at head coach.

We missed on Mark Jackson.

a little before my time.

agreed its a risk- but any move we make is a risk.

would he get frustrated that his players don't try as hard as he did?

That would be awesome! As long as our FO supported him, and got rid of those players.

Give me five guys that play their hearts out every night vs. some of the talented bums we have.

And I sure don't mean Melo. He tries hard - and has certainly be a model this year.

In fact, I bet Melo would love having Ewing as the coach - it would take some pressure off him in the press as all eyes- media, fans- would be on Patrick.

Patrick's approach with media would probably make Dolan happy as well.

He's the right move mid season to make. Herb is more of the same.

We need a spark. I don't doubt Herb's abilities. I just think we need a completely new voice.

Heck - we could probably get Lawrence Frank!

And fans still fill the garden and the media still writes and talks knicks

Dolan will continue to do the opposite of right

GustavBahler wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Scott Skiles would be a good fit.

What is he even doing these days?

Yes! His problem was he was so hard nosed, guys tuned him out? Right? Maybe some time out of the league will help temper that just enough.

Dolan not firing Woodson isn't patience - he talked about how he was patient- more so than Prokhorov- but this isn't patience. Its incompetence. Its acting when all the facts tell you its time to make a move.

Right, that was his problem. Thibs does a better job of getting guys to play hard, buy into his system, without alienating his players. I don't know if Skiles has changed though, doubt it.

I think you guys are wrong about alienating players Skiles is a good coach who often over achieved with mediocre to poor rosters. He coached the Bucks and Bulls. Do you remember the talent he had there. Eddie F'ing Curry, Marcus Fizer. I don't even know what the bucks had. Never coached a star player so I think he would excel with Melo and Amare. Chandlers first playoff experience was with Skiles.

Vmart wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

franco12 wrote:

Vmart wrote:Scott Skiles would be a good fit.

What is he even doing these days?

Yes! His problem was he was so hard nosed, guys tuned him out? Right? Maybe some time out of the league will help temper that just enough.

Dolan not firing Woodson isn't patience - he talked about how he was patient- more so than Prokhorov- but this isn't patience. Its incompetence. Its acting when all the facts tell you its time to make a move.

Right, that was his problem. Thibs does a better job of getting guys to play hard, buy into his system, without alienating his players. I don't know if Skiles has changed though, doubt it.

I think you guys are wrong about alienating players Skiles is a good coach who often over achieved with mediocre to poor rosters. He coached the Bucks and Bulls. Do you remember the talent he had there. Eddie F'ing Curry, Marcus Fizer. I don't even know what the bucks had. Never coached a star player so I think he would excel with Melo and Amare. Chandlers first playoff experience was with Skiles.

Read too many stories about players turning on him to believe its just talk. Found this
http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/add-beno-udrih-list-players-had-issues-scott-173013500--nba.html

The take from this is that Scott Skiles did not ably communicate with his player as to his expectations in terms of role and placement in the rotation. This is a problem you heard about in Skiles’ earlier turns in Phoenix and Chicago, and it’s not insignificant when paired with his clashes (or, to put it in nicer terms, “chilly relationships”) with his players.

And who are these players? Tyrus Thomas. Eddy Curry. Beno Udrih. Jason Kidd and Brandon Jennings at times, among other lesser lights.

What’s the big deal about ticking off Thomas and Curry? Classic underachievers who never seemed to care about the game long enough to do what they needed in order to become better players? Jennings still takes terrible shots, Kidd was a bit of a prat during his time in Phoenix, and who cares about Beno Udrih?

This isn’t the point. Skiles was hired by middling teams to push them over the top. He’s only made the second round twice as a coach, though, getting there in 2000 as his Phoenix Suns flew past a San Antonio Spurs team working without an injured Tim Duncan in the first round, and in 2007 with a very good Chicago Bulls squad.

That Bulls team flamed out during 2007-08, though, attempting to play through an obvious crisis of confidence that Skiles seemed ill-equipped to handle. He was fired just 25 games into the following season. His second year with the Suns saw the Kidd-led group win 51 games but die out in the first round, and he was let go 51 games into the following year.

He, and his teams, burn out. Without getting very far in the first place, due to various influences, and after a whole lot of squabbling.