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2/10/2014  4:08 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:This is a great example of a deal that would be worse than letting him walk. Butler is the only one of those four players I'd even want, and he's due for a pay raise in a little over a year.

Please explain. Knicks are capped out next year anyway, and most every player coming back could be gone after that. Add in picks and its way better than letting Melo walk.

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2/10/2014  4:09 PM
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Nalod wrote:Bulls core of:

Rose, Melo, Noah

KNicks get Stat, Booze and Tyson all off the books at once?

Theyd have to give us both 2014 picks and 2016 + 2nd rounders in 14+15 +16 to make up for what we lost in our trades. I don't like ANY of their players--so it would be a trade flip with another team. If we did this--we'd need to build our own team. Snell and Butler dont do it for me as in flip Butler Boozer and Snell somewhere else for more picks or different young players.
Other possible place is Phoenix they have 3 first rounders this year in a really good draft and I think Melo would be open to resigning there for sure.
Len and 3 2014 # 1's a 2015 #1 Alex Len + Ok4.

Mitoric and picks are the best assets Bulls have.

I like Melo/Felton for Boozer/Hinrich/Dunleavy/Butler & Rights to Mitoric and 2 #1 picks. Hinrich expires - we move Dunleavy during the summer and we are left with Boozer/Stat/Bargs coming off cap next year.

If Melo move goes down immediately move Tyson for cap flex/picks and/or legit pg.
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2/10/2014  4:11 PM
franco12 wrote:I think Phoenix is a better option - Okafer's ending contract, filler and 3 first round picks - possibly in this draft!

You move Melo out west- I think its a better team and fit for him. I think he'd be happier there. You only have to play him 2x per year and he might be able to get that team to the finals.

I like Chicago for Melo because they are a bit more desperate to get Rose/Noah legit 3rd wheel.

Use PHX to get rid of Chandler ----
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2/10/2014  4:19 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2014  4:20 PM
Andrew wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:This is a great example of a deal that would be worse than letting him walk. Butler is the only one of those four players I'd even want, and he's due for a pay raise in a little over a year.

Please explain. Knicks are capped out next year anyway, and most every player coming back could be gone after that. Add in picks and its way better than letting Melo walk.


We'd be keeping Butler for the long-haul not just next year, right? Then Dolan will salivate over having Boozer's Bird rights and give him $15 mil a year. Maybe it's a marginally better than letting Melo walk but I'm not certain. I'm not afraid of having max cap space. We should get something better than this for Melo. It's an insulting offer.
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2/10/2014  4:23 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2014  4:26 PM
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MaTT4281 wrote:I've been pretty indifferent in regards to Melo's future. I am 100% pro-Melo - believe he's a special player, definitely the best we've seen in NY since Ewing, and not easily replaced. That said, I'm not sure I'm ready to hand anyone a $30M/year contract with this CBA. Even LeBron couldn't get it done with table scraps in Cleveland.

Some nice pieces, a couple picks, and no long contracts? I'd be on board. Will definitely be sad to see Melo go, but we're approaching a nice rebuilding point with all of our contracts coming off. Clearly what we have isn't working right now...

I like what we have with Tyler and Hardaway. We could rebuild this team in two years---draft and or acquire all essential pieces to build around free agency in 2015. We'd accept just one bad year--and than we could possibly be real good for the next 6-8. This time we would need to KEEP our additional pieces.

Young guys don't win Chips, pipe dreams man. All they become is exciting to watch.

Some here have given up on championship aspirations , so they are willing to settle for exciting ways to lose when the games really count with yoots. For them it will justify the losing .

I'll pass

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2/10/2014  4:24 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
Andrew wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:This is a great example of a deal that would be worse than letting him walk. Butler is the only one of those four players I'd even want, and he's due for a pay raise in a little over a year.

Please explain. Knicks are capped out next year anyway, and most every player coming back could be gone after that. Add in picks and its way better than letting Melo walk.


We'd be keeping Butler for the long-haul not just next year, right? Then Dolan will salivate over having Boozer's Bird rights and give him $15 mil a year. Maybe it's a marginally better than letting Melo walk but I'm not certain. I'm not afraid of having max cap space. We should get something better than this for Melo. It's an insulting offer.

Cmon Bonn. You can't throw out the Dolan worst case scenerio to justify your response. At least you are admitting that now its marginally better, not worse as you stated previously. Can we go to much better next?

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2/10/2014  4:30 PM
Andrew wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
Andrew wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:This is a great example of a deal that would be worse than letting him walk. Butler is the only one of those four players I'd even want, and he's due for a pay raise in a little over a year.

Please explain. Knicks are capped out next year anyway, and most every player coming back could be gone after that. Add in picks and its way better than letting Melo walk.


We'd be keeping Butler for the long-haul not just next year, right? Then Dolan will salivate over having Boozer's Bird rights and give him $15 mil a year. Maybe it's a marginally better than letting Melo walk but I'm not certain. I'm not afraid of having max cap space. We should get something better than this for Melo. It's an insulting offer.

Cmon Bonn. You can't throw out the Dolan worst case scenerio to justify your response. At least you are admitting that now its marginally better, not worse as you stated previously. Can we go to much better next?


Not really. The only thing I want from that package is the pick, which will probably be around 20.
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2/10/2014  4:36 PM
Pick 20 this year or in next years draft?


Either way we still have our 2015 lottery pick, can't trade it hallelujah

Combine that with whatever picks you get for Tyson and you are talking about a Ainte style Boston rebuild. Now we just need to find KG & Allen and draft a Pierce and Rondo
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2/10/2014  4:46 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Pick 20 this year or in next years draft?


Either way we still have our 2015 lottery pick, can't trade it hallelujah

Combine that with whatever picks you get for Tyson and you are talking about a Ainte style Boston rebuild. Now we just need to find KG & Allen and draft a Pierce and Rondo


We should be able to get more than that for Melo. We gave up 2 1st rounders, a lottery picked player with high potential, and other good role players for him. I want Noah, not Boozer, if we're giving them Melo. But I might settle for some combination of Augistine, Dunleavy, and/or more picks instead. They're not in the driver's seat. How else are they going to get from where they are now to a top team in the east? What's their plan B? I can't see any glaring alternative for them.
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2/10/2014  4:48 PM
Well then you need to trade Dolan to Chicago first
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2/10/2014  4:50 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Well then you need to trade Dolan to Chicago first

LOL!
But don't forget when we gave all that up, Melo was at the lowest point in the prime years of his career. Now he's at a player of the month level.
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2/10/2014  4:56 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Pick 20 this year or in next years draft?


Either way we still have our 2015 lottery pick, can't trade it hallelujah

Combine that with whatever picks you get for Tyson and you are talking about a Ainte style Boston rebuild. Now we just need to find KG & Allen and draft a Pierce and Rondo

That's an extremely tall order. You are, after all, talking about 2 probable Hall of Famers. Were you being sarcastic.
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2/10/2014  5:00 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Pick 20 this year or in next years draft?


Either way we still have our 2015 lottery pick, can't trade it hallelujah

Combine that with whatever picks you get for Tyson and you are talking about a Ainte style Boston rebuild. Now we just need to find KG & Allen and draft a Pierce and Rondo


We should be able to get more than that for Melo. We gave up 2 1st rounders, a lottery picked player with high potential, and other good role players for him. I want Noah, not Boozer, if we're giving them Melo. But I might settle for some combination of Augistine, Dunleavy, and/or more picks instead. They're not in the driver's seat. How else are they going to get from where they are now to a top team in the east? What's their plan B? I can't see any glaring alternative for them.

I largely agree with you but hate your proposed deal. Mine would be Carlos Boozer, Jimmy Butler, the rights to Nikola Mirotic, 2 of the Bulls 2nd rounders and the Bobcats pick for Melo, Felton and Shumpert. I think Mirotic has the makings of being a qausi-star in the league, Butler is going to be a solid role player and the Bobcats suck, so hopefully that pick becomes a lottery pick.
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2/10/2014  5:01 PM
No just giving an example of what can be accomplished with competent management
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2/10/2014  5:43 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2014  5:45 PM
NardDogNation wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Pick 20 this year or in next years draft?


Either way we still have our 2015 lottery pick, can't trade it hallelujah

Combine that with whatever picks you get for Tyson and you are talking about a Ainte style Boston rebuild. Now we just need to find KG & Allen and draft a Pierce and Rondo


We should be able to get more than that for Melo. We gave up 2 1st rounders, a lottery picked player with high potential, and other good role players for him. I want Noah, not Boozer, if we're giving them Melo. But I might settle for some combination of Augistine, Dunleavy, and/or more picks instead. They're not in the driver's seat. How else are they going to get from where they are now to a top team in the east? What's their plan B? I can't see any glaring alternative for them.

I largely agree with you but hate your proposed deal. Mine would be Carlos Boozer, Jimmy Butler, the rights to Nikola Mirotic, 2 of the Bulls 2nd rounders and the Bobcats pick for Melo, Felton and Shumpert. I think Mirotic has the makings of being a qausi-star in the league, Butler is going to be a solid role player and the Bobcats suck, so hopefully that pick becomes a lottery pick.


Well when I listed those players (Augustine, Dunleavy), I meant in addition to the ones already mentioned (Boozer, Butler, etc.). They'd have to be included just to make the salaries match. Augustine's playing very well. He'd be such a big upgrade over what we have at PG that I don't think our record would even get worse after this deal. We'd probably play a little better actually.
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2/10/2014  5:51 PM
I like how some of you keep making it sweeter and sweeter. Bottom line is Bulls are getting Melo for a discount compared to what we gave up.

He won't agree to give up his opt out if they get stripped of assets.

The original deal is about fair. It sucks, but its about right.
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2/10/2014  5:52 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2014  5:53 PM
Nalod wrote:I like how some of you keep making it sweeter and sweeter. Bottom line is Bulls are getting Melo for a discount compared to what we gave up.

He won't agree to give up his opt out if they get stripped of assets.

The original deal is about fair. It sucks, but its about right.


He didn't mind the last time his team gave up all its assets.
In this case, he'll still be joining Rose and Noah (assuming we don't get him in the deal).
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2/10/2014  6:22 PM    LAST EDITED: 2/10/2014  6:29 PM
I agree I want 2 first rounders back from CHI in any Melo deal + expirings which run no later than 2015. Everything else is not as important IMO. CHI would also need to throw in a couple young guys but Who they are, Butler, Snell, etc I'm not as picky about, jus throw a couple in.
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2/10/2014  6:33 PM
Bonn1997 wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Pick 20 this year or in next years draft?


Either way we still have our 2015 lottery pick, can't trade it hallelujah

Combine that with whatever picks you get for Tyson and you are talking about a Ainte style Boston rebuild. Now we just need to find KG & Allen and draft a Pierce and Rondo


We should be able to get more than that for Melo. We gave up 2 1st rounders, a lottery picked player with high potential, and other good role players for him. I want Noah, not Boozer, if we're giving them Melo. But I might settle for some combination of Augistine, Dunleavy, and/or more picks instead. They're not in the driver's seat. How else are they going to get from where they are now to a top team in the east? What's their plan B? I can't see any glaring alternative for them.
The Knicks didn't give up 2 first rounders. They gave up this years first rounder. They gave the right to swap in 2016 but that pick was traded in the Bargs trade. You can't take away everyone's favorite whining point about the Bargs trade like that. The Knicks also got players back for Melo. Berger wrote a great article on the trade this past weekend. Pretty much said you can't choose a winner yet.
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2/10/2014  7:03 PM
No chance of this happening.
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