holfresh wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

RonRon wrote:

holfresh wrote:

RonRon wrote:I do not consider a year and a 1/2 a rebuild but a quick fix

Development of players and rebuilding are 2 different things
Teams should always be looking to develop talent regardless, not necessary own draft picks like the continued development of Jeremy Tyler and/or James Johnson I would target this summer

To put it another way, Dolan just spent 1 billion dollars of his own money to redo the Garden..He isn't going to risk an empty (no money making) Garden trying to rebuild ..The Knicks charge a fortune for their seats..Corporations pay dearly for seats and suites...So continue to draw up 10 year rebuilding plans..

I realize that and that is why 1 1/2 years is a small time period for the next 10years of repeating this junk season is nothing compared to to risk/reward

also since when does 1 and 1/2 years = 10 years of rebuilding

Remember if you fail to improve the team by 2015, there will be much more at stake, where fans will be looking at BKLYN instead
You can sell fans of 1.5 years of improvement for the near future, you cannot sell them an another 10 years of sucking which would be the direction we would be heading in to if Dolan decides to pay a max deal for Melo this summer

Anything else I can repeatedly fail you in

U think the Knicks will rebuild with the Nets in Brooklyn, lose fans and the back pages for years??

well to be fair either way we will probably lose anyway. It doesnt have to be a long rebuild. Next year most likely is gonna be teh same as this year. At least we have our draft pick and then all teh bad contracts come off the books. the 2015 FA class is pretty good so it might not be a long rebuild

U think Dolan will do that or just wishful thinking?..I don't know , we act as thought we haven't seen Dolan do this about 15 year running..

“According to the source the Knicks have plotted ending the tenure of head coach Mike Woodson and nearly his entire staff of assistants. With no high-profile coach interested in stepping into this situation right now, the source said that the team has discussed a plan to keep assistant coach Herb Williams and elevate him to the top spot in an interim, reaching out to a number of candidates to fill the staff out.”

Much has been made of Woodson's job security, or lack thereof, all season.

After guiding the Knicks toward 54 victories last year, his team is now 20-31 and two games back of a playoff spot. With Carmelo Anthony—who will become an unrestricted free agent this summer—now a flight risk, the Knicks can ill afford a postseason-less campaign on an already-flawed resume.

Changing coaches wouldn't solve everything, something the Knicks and their twisted, diabolical brain trust should understand. But dismissing Woodson could be a tactic owner James Dolan and friends hope the players use as a rallying cry, something that reminds them the status quo is unacceptable.

Nothing will happen without Anthony's consent, obviously. The Knicks are doing everything in their (limited) power to keep him happy. There's no way they fire Woodson without consulting him first. Dolan may have actually already sought his opinion.

Frank Isola of the New York Daily News previously revealed that Anthony and another unnamed Knicks player sat down with Dolan following Wednesday night's loss to the Portland Trail Blazers, presumably to discuss Woodson's fate.

Two games later, the Knicks are 1-1 and Woodson is still in charge. For how much longer he remains in that position is anyone's guess.

"At this point I don’t really know what’s going to happen, if something’s going to happen," Anthony said of the rumors surrounding Woodson, via Popper. "To be honest with you, I don’t know what rumors is out there. When I tell you I don’t read or look at that stuff honestly I don’t. If something was to happen then it’s out of my hands."

Whether Woodson's future in New York is actually out of Anthony's hands is open for interpretation, much like Woodson's future with the Knicks itself.

Dolan gave the opt out provision. He could have said no.

While Gilbert's reaction was over the top in cleveland he empowered an immature Lebron for a few yeas then felt the victim when he bolted.
All they did was burn a draft pick.

Melo coming was one thing. Given the lack of success it could be said it was a mistake. Him leaving will be devestating.

misterearl wrote:What does firing Woodson solve, in terms of a plan for the franchise?

The pending Carmelo Anthony decision is here, and will define the next 5 years.

it solves nothing but this is what dysfunctional organizations do: they find scapegoats and refuse to get to the source of the problem.

Knicks22 wrote:
Always puzzled by those who claim "its NY, we can't rebuild, fans won't allow it".

As to the Decision, pray they make a move. Paid too much for Melo, he arrives and, for whatever reason, can't play on same unit as then-healthy Amare, goes on strike until MDA leaves, and, pouts during Linsanity. He couldn't - or wouldn't - accomodate another superstar, his coach, or, a dynamic (but wildly inconsistent) young PG.

There are not picks or tradeable assets to 'build around him'. Get something for him - he's a brilliantly gifted scorer, but, made very little effort to make this team better - ran another superstar to the second unit, pushed out a coach.

I doubt he'll stay, but, regardless - this team must go in another direction

CrushAlot wrote:Stephen A. wrote in an article last week that while Woodson was given an extension his assistants were not. That, firing his gm, choosing who makes the team, and limiting him as to when and how long he could play guys really handcuffed Woodson in my opinion.

Exactly what makes hiring any replacement a complex problem

Thank you CrushA

Clean wrote:I don't understand this logic. So if I have 5 different diseases killing me just leave them all? Since stopping one won't save you instantly just leave them all? My logic would be to take care of each problem one at a time. If you want to start with the coach, I don't mind. If you want to start with the front office valuing draft picks more, I don't mind. If you want to start with not getting one dimensional players we can also start there. The point of my post is that I want to see problem getting fixed. I want to see progress. If firing woody is step 1 or step 5, I don't care.

Woodson is the least of our problems..Point is they will sell it like he was the problem and do nothing else the rest of the year..

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:Stephen A. wrote in an article last week that while Woodson was given an extension his assistants were not. That, firing his gm, choosing who makes the team, and limiting him as to when and how long he could play guys really handcuffed Woodson in my opinion.

he handcuffed himself when he got rid of his agent as a condition for becoming the knicks coach. does not seem like a man of principle and that cannot go unnoticed by the players, so if you want to know why it may be the case that his players are tuning him out then start there. i have no sympathy for that kind of decision making and now it is coming back to haunt him. never too old to learn.

He won 54 games and the Atlantic after firing his agent. His agent was about the closest thing Dolan has to a mortal enemy and Larry brown told him he should fire him.

two words: jason rasheed