jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Melo I know that you are upset with the way the Knicks are playing. Melo we gave up draft picks and a whole team to get you. What was you thinking? You knew that after all we gave up to get you we had no team left. Look I know that you didn't know that Amare would be hurt but things happen. Even with him healthy we had no team left. You mean that you are gonna walk out on us at the end of the season and leave us with nothing the same way you walked in? That ain't right. We both share the blame for this screwed up team. We seem to think that some of our players are better than what they really are. You can leave New York if you want to and you will be remembered as the man who ran out on New York. You owe us something. Think of La La. She will not be looked upon the same way in New York. It's not her fault.
Melo you need to do the right thing and stay and help build up what you and Dolan took down. Our team was not that great before you got here but we did have picks and decent players. How could you be surprised that we stink now. We will not be at full strength until 2015 and if you leave even if we have cap space it will be hard for us to get a franchise player.
So Melo it's up to you weather you stay or go I will still be a Knicks diehard fan but I wonder will we ever be a contender again while Dolan is running this team. Remember this ain't Cleveland. This is New York the Mecca of basketball.

This would be cute if it was from an 11 year old who sleeps in Knick Pajamas, beds in Knicks sheets, curtains and a poster of Melo in his room.

Regarding "be better if he went free agent"......Well yeah, but not for him.
NObody made Knicks do that trade, nobody put a gun to Dolans head. Melo was not going free agent. Not with minor knee surgery, not with a new CBA.

He knows he gutted the team, and now your asking him to gut another so he can walk into another situation? He is not stupid.

BTW, Melo is not reading this. Life is not fair. We traded Clyde. Business first.

This from someone who has wet dreams about the Coliseum, Net's afros and ABA cheerleaders in leather hip waders...

Gutted the team:
Let's review, for the billionth time, shall we?
1) Felton. Remember when he was all we had in the backcourt?
2) Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?
3) Mayor. 3 years of 1st round bounce outs. I forget, have the Nuggs retired his jersey yet?
4) Moz. 3 years and one showcase game. Cole Aldrich doesn't even have a Blake Griffin crotch poster moment yet.

And what did we get for all this gutting? From crap records and a walking wounded Amare knees half season blowout to the best player the team has had since Ewing or BK. 2nd round. 50 win season.

"He knows he gutted the team." Think Melo knows why people are still fussing over what they're not doing in Denver, 4 years later?

We traded Clyde when he was no longer any good. Not that Jim Cleamons was worth sheet either, but hey. We sold low.
We traded Ewing and he spent the next two seasons putting up Bob Thornton's numbers.

Melo just might have a flunky posse member reading this for him. Collecting fan thoughts and quotes for the autobiog.

Life goes up and down fellas. Relax. We're still the Knicks and everyone else isn't. For everyone but people like tkf, dfkt and the invisible 3G4G, that just might mean something.

i always wonder if you are ever on planet earth when you post.. really, lets look at things this way..

lets say we still had gallo on IR all year
Moz was still getting dunked on by blake, (the relevance of that here is also mindboggling)
and chandler and his 3 years first round bounce outs.. (forget that carmelo has the worst playoff record in decades..)

lets say they were here and all of that was true...

we would still be in better shape than we are now... we would still have our cap flexibility and our picks, especially this year!!!! YOU DO REALIZE WE ARE 19-30????

Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?

Great I guess.. he still gets paid, he is slated to be back 100% next year, to "team up' "run with" the lottery pick they get from the knicks.. and BTW: with all of the injuries.. his team is still above .500

And still in great position to get bounced out of the first round, right? Above .500??? You're crowing about being above .500? Gallo gets to wait till next year?? I seem to remember that being the case when he was here too, right? Missing seasons seems to rank high on your value scale.

We would be in better shape in your world where 29 win seasons and not making the playoffs is better off. Because for you, tkf, everything's better without Melo.

Tell me tkf, if things are so bright and cheery in in Denver, why are you still here, all these years later, posting out of both your azzhole and your fistula? You realize the same things keep coming out of both holes right?

honestly why do you care where I post.. you are the one who keeps bringing up denver.. why don't you go post there?

Fk you and GTFO.

BRIGGS wrote:

toad wrote:Dear Melo, if you're even thinking about leaving NY after gutting this team for your ego and dollars, please read this--

Fk you and GTFO.

Well if he cant commit to the owner that he is staying--than its the owners fault. He can see what happened in Cleveland when someone does not give their commitment. The silver lining is we'd be terrible next year but we'd have max cap space and our draft pick. Maybe a top 3 pick is what the team needs most. There is a lot of bad press here for the Knicks and their owner--its going to catch up with them in free agency unless they change their ways. Lebron looked real bad a month after he left Cleveland but that is done. Melo see's that--maybe NY boos him for a year--thats that.

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

toad wrote:Dear Melo, if you're even thinking about leaving NY after gutting this team for your ego and dollars, please read this--

Fk you and GTFO.

Well if he cant commit to the owner that he is staying--than its the owners fault. He can see what happened in Cleveland when someone does not give their commitment. The silver lining is we'd be terrible next year but we'd have max cap space and our draft pick. Maybe a top 3 pick is what the team needs most. There is a lot of bad press here for the Knicks and their owner--its going to catch up with them in free agency unless they change their ways. Lebron looked real bad a month after he left Cleveland but that is done. Melo see's that--maybe NY boos him for a year--thats that.

yea.. I mean toad, you can blame Melo for everything or what he has control over. Did MElo create this environment, or did it exist before he got here?

he created this environment with dolan. prior to that the franchise was showing signs of rebirth with walsh allowed to build the team by a de facto edict from the league. he was not given the opportunity to finish his plan.

BRIGGS wrote:

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

toad wrote:Dear Melo, if you're even thinking about leaving NY after gutting this team for your ego and dollars, please read this--

Fk you and GTFO.

Well if he cant commit to the owner that he is staying--than its the owners fault. He can see what happened in Cleveland when someone does not give their commitment. The silver lining is we'd be terrible next year but we'd have max cap space and our draft pick. Maybe a top 3 pick is what the team needs most. There is a lot of bad press here for the Knicks and their owner--its going to catch up with them in free agency unless they change their ways. Lebron looked real bad a month after he left Cleveland but that is done. Melo see's that--maybe NY boos him for a year--thats that.

yea.. I mean toad, you can blame Melo for everything or what he has control over. Did MElo create this environment, or did it exist before he got here?

fishmike--its pretty simple--the owner says melo well give you 130 and well try to bring ion guys around you that will improve the team--if he does not say Im down--than he is NOT down. The Cleveland owner was delusional and he paid for it.

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Melo I know that you are upset with the way the Knicks are playing. Melo we gave up draft picks and a whole team to get you. What was you thinking? You knew that after all we gave up to get you we had no team left. Look I know that you didn't know that Amare would be hurt but things happen. Even with him healthy we had no team left. You mean that you are gonna walk out on us at the end of the season and leave us with nothing the same way you walked in? That ain't right. We both share the blame for this screwed up team. We seem to think that some of our players are better than what they really are. You can leave New York if you want to and you will be remembered as the man who ran out on New York. You owe us something. Think of La La. She will not be looked upon the same way in New York. It's not her fault.
Melo you need to do the right thing and stay and help build up what you and Dolan took down. Our team was not that great before you got here but we did have picks and decent players. How could you be surprised that we stink now. We will not be at full strength until 2015 and if you leave even if we have cap space it will be hard for us to get a franchise player.
So Melo it's up to you weather you stay or go I will still be a Knicks diehard fan but I wonder will we ever be a contender again while Dolan is running this team. Remember this ain't Cleveland. This is New York the Mecca of basketball.

This would be cute if it was from an 11 year old who sleeps in Knick Pajamas, beds in Knicks sheets, curtains and a poster of Melo in his room.

Regarding "be better if he went free agent"......Well yeah, but not for him.
NObody made Knicks do that trade, nobody put a gun to Dolans head. Melo was not going free agent. Not with minor knee surgery, not with a new CBA.

He knows he gutted the team, and now your asking him to gut another so he can walk into another situation? He is not stupid.

BTW, Melo is not reading this. Life is not fair. We traded Clyde. Business first.

This from someone who has wet dreams about the Coliseum, Net's afros and ABA cheerleaders in leather hip waders...

Gutted the team:
Let's review, for the billionth time, shall we?
1) Felton. Remember when he was all we had in the backcourt?
2) Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?
3) Mayor. 3 years of 1st round bounce outs. I forget, have the Nuggs retired his jersey yet?
4) Moz. 3 years and one showcase game. Cole Aldrich doesn't even have a Blake Griffin crotch poster moment yet.

And what did we get for all this gutting? From crap records and a walking wounded Amare knees half season blowout to the best player the team has had since Ewing or BK. 2nd round. 50 win season.

"He knows he gutted the team." Think Melo knows why people are still fussing over what they're not doing in Denver, 4 years later?

We traded Clyde when he was no longer any good. Not that Jim Cleamons was worth sheet either, but hey. We sold low.
We traded Ewing and he spent the next two seasons putting up Bob Thornton's numbers.

Melo just might have a flunky posse member reading this for him. Collecting fan thoughts and quotes for the autobiog.

Life goes up and down fellas. Relax. We're still the Knicks and everyone else isn't. For everyone but people like tkf, dfkt and the invisible 3G4G, that just might mean something.

i always wonder if you are ever on planet earth when you post.. really, lets look at things this way..

lets say we still had gallo on IR all year
Moz was still getting dunked on by blake, (the relevance of that here is also mindboggling)
and chandler and his 3 years first round bounce outs.. (forget that carmelo has the worst playoff record in decades..)

lets say they were here and all of that was true...

we would still be in better shape than we are now... we would still have our cap flexibility and our picks, especially this year!!!! YOU DO REALIZE WE ARE 19-30????

Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?

Great I guess.. he still gets paid, he is slated to be back 100% next year, to "team up' "run with" the lottery pick they get from the knicks.. and BTW: with all of the injuries.. his team is still above .500

And still in great position to get bounced out of the first round, right? Above .500??? You're crowing about being above .500? Gallo gets to wait till next year?? I seem to remember that being the case when he was here too, right? Missing seasons seems to rank high on your value scale.

We would be in better shape in your world where 29 win seasons and not making the playoffs is better off. Because for you, tkf, everything's better without Melo.

Tell me tkf, if things are so bright and cheery in in Denver, why are you still here, all these years later, posting out of both your azzhole and your fistula? You realize the same things keep coming out of both holes right?

That's all you have? You're seriously arguing that Melo + no picks and a .400 team is better than having Gallo and company, our lottery picks, and cap space? What so great about watching Melo on a .400 team without lottery picks? It seems this is bad enough that any sane person would have humility when discussing alternative paths.

i'll take your sane and humble and trade you shallow and pedantic

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Melo I know that you are upset with the way the Knicks are playing. Melo we gave up draft picks and a whole team to get you. What was you thinking? You knew that after all we gave up to get you we had no team left. Look I know that you didn't know that Amare would be hurt but things happen. Even with him healthy we had no team left. You mean that you are gonna walk out on us at the end of the season and leave us with nothing the same way you walked in? That ain't right. We both share the blame for this screwed up team. We seem to think that some of our players are better than what they really are. You can leave New York if you want to and you will be remembered as the man who ran out on New York. You owe us something. Think of La La. She will not be looked upon the same way in New York. It's not her fault.
Melo you need to do the right thing and stay and help build up what you and Dolan took down. Our team was not that great before you got here but we did have picks and decent players. How could you be surprised that we stink now. We will not be at full strength until 2015 and if you leave even if we have cap space it will be hard for us to get a franchise player.
So Melo it's up to you weather you stay or go I will still be a Knicks diehard fan but I wonder will we ever be a contender again while Dolan is running this team. Remember this ain't Cleveland. This is New York the Mecca of basketball.

This would be cute if it was from an 11 year old who sleeps in Knick Pajamas, beds in Knicks sheets, curtains and a poster of Melo in his room.

Regarding "be better if he went free agent"......Well yeah, but not for him.
NObody made Knicks do that trade, nobody put a gun to Dolans head. Melo was not going free agent. Not with minor knee surgery, not with a new CBA.

He knows he gutted the team, and now your asking him to gut another so he can walk into another situation? He is not stupid.

BTW, Melo is not reading this. Life is not fair. We traded Clyde. Business first.

This from someone who has wet dreams about the Coliseum, Net's afros and ABA cheerleaders in leather hip waders...

Gutted the team:
Let's review, for the billionth time, shall we?
1) Felton. Remember when he was all we had in the backcourt?
2) Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?
3) Mayor. 3 years of 1st round bounce outs. I forget, have the Nuggs retired his jersey yet?
4) Moz. 3 years and one showcase game. Cole Aldrich doesn't even have a Blake Griffin crotch poster moment yet.

And what did we get for all this gutting? From crap records and a walking wounded Amare knees half season blowout to the best player the team has had since Ewing or BK. 2nd round. 50 win season.

"He knows he gutted the team." Think Melo knows why people are still fussing over what they're not doing in Denver, 4 years later?

We traded Clyde when he was no longer any good. Not that Jim Cleamons was worth sheet either, but hey. We sold low.
We traded Ewing and he spent the next two seasons putting up Bob Thornton's numbers.

Melo just might have a flunky posse member reading this for him. Collecting fan thoughts and quotes for the autobiog.

Life goes up and down fellas. Relax. We're still the Knicks and everyone else isn't. For everyone but people like tkf, dfkt and the invisible 3G4G, that just might mean something.

i always wonder if you are ever on planet earth when you post.. really, lets look at things this way..

lets say we still had gallo on IR all year
Moz was still getting dunked on by blake, (the relevance of that here is also mindboggling)
and chandler and his 3 years first round bounce outs.. (forget that carmelo has the worst playoff record in decades..)

lets say they were here and all of that was true...

we would still be in better shape than we are now... we would still have our cap flexibility and our picks, especially this year!!!! YOU DO REALIZE WE ARE 19-30????

Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?

Great I guess.. he still gets paid, he is slated to be back 100% next year, to "team up' "run with" the lottery pick they get from the knicks.. and BTW: with all of the injuries.. his team is still above .500

And still in great position to get bounced out of the first round, right? Above .500??? You're crowing about being above .500? Gallo gets to wait till next year?? I seem to remember that being the case when he was here too, right? Missing seasons seems to rank high on your value scale.

We would be in better shape in your world where 29 win seasons and not making the playoffs is better off. Because for you, tkf, everything's better without Melo.

Tell me tkf, if things are so bright and cheery in in Denver, why are you still here, all these years later, posting out of both your azzhole and your fistula? You realize the same things keep coming out of both holes right?

That's all you have? You're seriously arguing that Melo + no picks and a .400 team is better than having Gallo and company, our lottery picks, and cap space? What so great about watching Melo on a .400 team without lottery picks? It seems this is bad enough that any sane person would have humility when discussing alternative paths.

sanity... so Bonn, when you look at this .400 team what do you see? And if you look at this .400 team with sanity and humility how do you go about fixing it? Because there is one guy performing at a very high level and thats been recognized by the NBA, while others are having career lows and having nights where they literally contribute nothing, yet it appears your focus is to remove the guy who is actually producing. Does this logic not seem utterly INsane? 80% of our starting line up cant buy a basket... I supposed the reason Tyson cant score, Prio and Felton together still dont = one starting PG and Shump is so totally and utterly lost are all Melo's fault also?

You make a very good argument for Melo leaving at the end of the season.

fishmike wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Melo I know that you are upset with the way the Knicks are playing. Melo we gave up draft picks and a whole team to get you. What was you thinking? You knew that after all we gave up to get you we had no team left. Look I know that you didn't know that Amare would be hurt but things happen. Even with him healthy we had no team left. You mean that you are gonna walk out on us at the end of the season and leave us with nothing the same way you walked in? That ain't right. We both share the blame for this screwed up team. We seem to think that some of our players are better than what they really are. You can leave New York if you want to and you will be remembered as the man who ran out on New York. You owe us something. Think of La La. She will not be looked upon the same way in New York. It's not her fault.
Melo you need to do the right thing and stay and help build up what you and Dolan took down. Our team was not that great before you got here but we did have picks and decent players. How could you be surprised that we stink now. We will not be at full strength until 2015 and if you leave even if we have cap space it will be hard for us to get a franchise player.
So Melo it's up to you weather you stay or go I will still be a Knicks diehard fan but I wonder will we ever be a contender again while Dolan is running this team. Remember this ain't Cleveland. This is New York the Mecca of basketball.

This would be cute if it was from an 11 year old who sleeps in Knick Pajamas, beds in Knicks sheets, curtains and a poster of Melo in his room.

Regarding "be better if he went free agent"......Well yeah, but not for him.
NObody made Knicks do that trade, nobody put a gun to Dolans head. Melo was not going free agent. Not with minor knee surgery, not with a new CBA.

He knows he gutted the team, and now your asking him to gut another so he can walk into another situation? He is not stupid.

BTW, Melo is not reading this. Life is not fair. We traded Clyde. Business first.

This from someone who has wet dreams about the Coliseum, Net's afros and ABA cheerleaders in leather hip waders...

Gutted the team:
Let's review, for the billionth time, shall we?
1) Felton. Remember when he was all we had in the backcourt?
2) Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?
3) Mayor. 3 years of 1st round bounce outs. I forget, have the Nuggs retired his jersey yet?
4) Moz. 3 years and one showcase game. Cole Aldrich doesn't even have a Blake Griffin crotch poster moment yet.

And what did we get for all this gutting? From crap records and a walking wounded Amare knees half season blowout to the best player the team has had since Ewing or BK. 2nd round. 50 win season.

"He knows he gutted the team." Think Melo knows why people are still fussing over what they're not doing in Denver, 4 years later?

We traded Clyde when he was no longer any good. Not that Jim Cleamons was worth sheet either, but hey. We sold low.
We traded Ewing and he spent the next two seasons putting up Bob Thornton's numbers.

Melo just might have a flunky posse member reading this for him. Collecting fan thoughts and quotes for the autobiog.

Life goes up and down fellas. Relax. We're still the Knicks and everyone else isn't. For everyone but people like tkf, dfkt and the invisible 3G4G, that just might mean something.

i always wonder if you are ever on planet earth when you post.. really, lets look at things this way..

lets say we still had gallo on IR all year
Moz was still getting dunked on by blake, (the relevance of that here is also mindboggling)
and chandler and his 3 years first round bounce outs.. (forget that carmelo has the worst playoff record in decades..)

lets say they were here and all of that was true...

we would still be in better shape than we are now... we would still have our cap flexibility and our picks, especially this year!!!! YOU DO REALIZE WE ARE 19-30????

Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?

Great I guess.. he still gets paid, he is slated to be back 100% next year, to "team up' "run with" the lottery pick they get from the knicks.. and BTW: with all of the injuries.. his team is still above .500

And still in great position to get bounced out of the first round, right? Above .500??? You're crowing about being above .500? Gallo gets to wait till next year?? I seem to remember that being the case when he was here too, right? Missing seasons seems to rank high on your value scale.

We would be in better shape in your world where 29 win seasons and not making the playoffs is better off. Because for you, tkf, everything's better without Melo.

Tell me tkf, if things are so bright and cheery in in Denver, why are you still here, all these years later, posting out of both your azzhole and your fistula? You realize the same things keep coming out of both holes right?

That's all you have? You're seriously arguing that Melo + no picks and a .400 team is better than having Gallo and company, our lottery picks, and cap space? What so great about watching Melo on a .400 team without lottery picks? It seems this is bad enough that any sane person would have humility when discussing alternative paths.

sanity... so Bonn, when you look at this .400 team what do you see? And if you look at this .400 team with sanity and humility how do you go about fixing it? Because there is one guy performing at a very high level and thats been recognized by the NBA, while others are having career lows and having nights where they literally contribute nothing, yet it appears your focus is to remove the guy who is actually producing. Does this logic not seem utterly INsane? 80% of our starting line up cant buy a basket... I supposed the reason Tyson cant score, Prio and Felton together still dont = one starting PG and Shump is so totally and utterly lost are all Melo's fault also?

Sorry but you haven't addressed one thing I said. I didn't blame Melo or say he was bad. Read what I said carefully.

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Melo I know that you are upset with the way the Knicks are playing. Melo we gave up draft picks and a whole team to get you. What was you thinking? You knew that after all we gave up to get you we had no team left. Look I know that you didn't know that Amare would be hurt but things happen. Even with him healthy we had no team left. You mean that you are gonna walk out on us at the end of the season and leave us with nothing the same way you walked in? That ain't right. We both share the blame for this screwed up team. We seem to think that some of our players are better than what they really are. You can leave New York if you want to and you will be remembered as the man who ran out on New York. You owe us something. Think of La La. She will not be looked upon the same way in New York. It's not her fault.
Melo you need to do the right thing and stay and help build up what you and Dolan took down. Our team was not that great before you got here but we did have picks and decent players. How could you be surprised that we stink now. We will not be at full strength until 2015 and if you leave even if we have cap space it will be hard for us to get a franchise player.
So Melo it's up to you weather you stay or go I will still be a Knicks diehard fan but I wonder will we ever be a contender again while Dolan is running this team. Remember this ain't Cleveland. This is New York the Mecca of basketball.

This would be cute if it was from an 11 year old who sleeps in Knick Pajamas, beds in Knicks sheets, curtains and a poster of Melo in his room.

Regarding "be better if he went free agent"......Well yeah, but not for him.
NObody made Knicks do that trade, nobody put a gun to Dolans head. Melo was not going free agent. Not with minor knee surgery, not with a new CBA.

He knows he gutted the team, and now your asking him to gut another so he can walk into another situation? He is not stupid.

BTW, Melo is not reading this. Life is not fair. We traded Clyde. Business first.

This from someone who has wet dreams about the Coliseum, Net's afros and ABA cheerleaders in leather hip waders...

Gutted the team:
Let's review, for the billionth time, shall we?
1) Felton. Remember when he was all we had in the backcourt?
2) Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?
3) Mayor. 3 years of 1st round bounce outs. I forget, have the Nuggs retired his jersey yet?
4) Moz. 3 years and one showcase game. Cole Aldrich doesn't even have a Blake Griffin crotch poster moment yet.

And what did we get for all this gutting? From crap records and a walking wounded Amare knees half season blowout to the best player the team has had since Ewing or BK. 2nd round. 50 win season.

"He knows he gutted the team." Think Melo knows why people are still fussing over what they're not doing in Denver, 4 years later?

We traded Clyde when he was no longer any good. Not that Jim Cleamons was worth sheet either, but hey. We sold low.
We traded Ewing and he spent the next two seasons putting up Bob Thornton's numbers.

Melo just might have a flunky posse member reading this for him. Collecting fan thoughts and quotes for the autobiog.

Life goes up and down fellas. Relax. We're still the Knicks and everyone else isn't. For everyone but people like tkf, dfkt and the invisible 3G4G, that just might mean something.

i always wonder if you are ever on planet earth when you post.. really, lets look at things this way..

lets say we still had gallo on IR all year
Moz was still getting dunked on by blake, (the relevance of that here is also mindboggling)
and chandler and his 3 years first round bounce outs.. (forget that carmelo has the worst playoff record in decades..)

lets say they were here and all of that was true...

we would still be in better shape than we are now... we would still have our cap flexibility and our picks, especially this year!!!! YOU DO REALIZE WE ARE 19-30????

Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?

Great I guess.. he still gets paid, he is slated to be back 100% next year, to "team up' "run with" the lottery pick they get from the knicks.. and BTW: with all of the injuries.. his team is still above .500

And still in great position to get bounced out of the first round, right? Above .500??? You're crowing about being above .500? Gallo gets to wait till next year?? I seem to remember that being the case when he was here too, right? Missing seasons seems to rank high on your value scale.

We would be in better shape in your world where 29 win seasons and not making the playoffs is better off. Because for you, tkf, everything's better without Melo.

Tell me tkf, if things are so bright and cheery in in Denver, why are you still here, all these years later, posting out of both your azzhole and your fistula? You realize the same things keep coming out of both holes right?

That's all you have? You're seriously arguing that Melo + no picks and a .400 team is better than having Gallo and company, our lottery picks, and cap space? What so great about watching Melo on a .400 team without lottery picks? It seems this is bad enough that any sane person would have humility when discussing alternative paths.

Ah yes, SanityHumbleLand, where you get to:

compare watching a franchise player play his azz off every night and it not be better than "watching" a player on IR.
Whine endlessly about lottery picks in NYC, because the "gutting of the team" argument is now beyond stupid and even old news to those who were actually involved (see the Mayor's quote in the game thread).
Where you get to continue to whine about lottery picks and the stupidity of your teams front office at the very same time.
Where you get to ignore the painful reality of how well lottery picks have worked out since, oh about 1985.
Where you get to "watch" lottery picks.
Ignore last season's .600 team like it never ever happened. Because there is only now, this second, in SanityHumbleLand.

BRIGGS wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Melo I know that you are upset with the way the Knicks are playing. Melo we gave up draft picks and a whole team to get you. What was you thinking? You knew that after all we gave up to get you we had no team left. Look I know that you didn't know that Amare would be hurt but things happen. Even with him healthy we had no team left. You mean that you are gonna walk out on us at the end of the season and leave us with nothing the same way you walked in? That ain't right. We both share the blame for this screwed up team. We seem to think that some of our players are better than what they really are. You can leave New York if you want to and you will be remembered as the man who ran out on New York. You owe us something. Think of La La. She will not be looked upon the same way in New York. It's not her fault.
Melo you need to do the right thing and stay and help build up what you and Dolan took down. Our team was not that great before you got here but we did have picks and decent players. How could you be surprised that we stink now. We will not be at full strength until 2015 and if you leave even if we have cap space it will be hard for us to get a franchise player.
So Melo it's up to you weather you stay or go I will still be a Knicks diehard fan but I wonder will we ever be a contender again while Dolan is running this team. Remember this ain't Cleveland. This is New York the Mecca of basketball.

This would be cute if it was from an 11 year old who sleeps in Knick Pajamas, beds in Knicks sheets, curtains and a poster of Melo in his room.

Regarding "be better if he went free agent"......Well yeah, but not for him.
NObody made Knicks do that trade, nobody put a gun to Dolans head. Melo was not going free agent. Not with minor knee surgery, not with a new CBA.

He knows he gutted the team, and now your asking him to gut another so he can walk into another situation? He is not stupid.

BTW, Melo is not reading this. Life is not fair. We traded Clyde. Business first.

This from someone who has wet dreams about the Coliseum, Net's afros and ABA cheerleaders in leather hip waders...

Gutted the team:
Let's review, for the billionth time, shall we?
1) Felton. Remember when he was all we had in the backcourt?
2) Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?
3) Mayor. 3 years of 1st round bounce outs. I forget, have the Nuggs retired his jersey yet?
4) Moz. 3 years and one showcase game. Cole Aldrich doesn't even have a Blake Griffin crotch poster moment yet.

And what did we get for all this gutting? From crap records and a walking wounded Amare knees half season blowout to the best player the team has had since Ewing or BK. 2nd round. 50 win season.

"He knows he gutted the team." Think Melo knows why people are still fussing over what they're not doing in Denver, 4 years later?

We traded Clyde when he was no longer any good. Not that Jim Cleamons was worth sheet either, but hey. We sold low.
We traded Ewing and he spent the next two seasons putting up Bob Thornton's numbers.

Melo just might have a flunky posse member reading this for him. Collecting fan thoughts and quotes for the autobiog.

Life goes up and down fellas. Relax. We're still the Knicks and everyone else isn't. For everyone but people like tkf, dfkt and the invisible 3G4G, that just might mean something.

i always wonder if you are ever on planet earth when you post.. really, lets look at things this way..

lets say we still had gallo on IR all year
Moz was still getting dunked on by blake, (the relevance of that here is also mindboggling)
and chandler and his 3 years first round bounce outs.. (forget that carmelo has the worst playoff record in decades..)

lets say they were here and all of that was true...

we would still be in better shape than we are now... we would still have our cap flexibility and our picks, especially this year!!!! YOU DO REALIZE WE ARE 19-30????

Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?

Great I guess.. he still gets paid, he is slated to be back 100% next year, to "team up' "run with" the lottery pick they get from the knicks.. and BTW: with all of the injuries.. his team is still above .500

And still in great position to get bounced out of the first round, right? Above .500??? You're crowing about being above .500? Gallo gets to wait till next year?? I seem to remember that being the case when he was here too, right? Missing seasons seems to rank high on your value scale.

We would be in better shape in your world where 29 win seasons and not making the playoffs is better off. Because for you, tkf, everything's better without Melo.

Tell me tkf, if things are so bright and cheery in in Denver, why are you still here, all these years later, posting out of both your azzhole and your fistula? You realize the same things keep coming out of both holes right?

That's all you have? You're seriously arguing that Melo + no picks and a .400 team is better than having Gallo and company, our lottery picks, and cap space? What so great about watching Melo on a .400 team without lottery picks? It seems this is bad enough that any sane person would have humility when discussing alternative paths.

Ah yes, SanityHumbleLand, where you get to:

compare watching a franchise player play his azz off every night and it not be better than "watching" a player on IR.
Whine endlessly about lottery picks in NYC, because the "gutting of the team" argument is now beyond stupid and even old news to those who were actually involved (see the Mayor's quote in the game thread).
Where you get to continue to whine about lottery picks and the stupidity of your teams front office at the very same time.
Where you get to ignore the painful reality of how well lottery picks have worked out since, oh about 1985.
Where you get to "watch" lottery picks.
Ignore last season's .600 team like it never ever happened. Because there is only now, this second, in SanityHumbleLand.

We also had a couple of good years in the very early 80's which model was not sustainable as well. We've had 1 good year in the last 13. Time to change the way things are done.

tkf wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Melo I know that you are upset with the way the Knicks are playing. Melo we gave up draft picks and a whole team to get you. What was you thinking? You knew that after all we gave up to get you we had no team left. Look I know that you didn't know that Amare would be hurt but things happen. Even with him healthy we had no team left. You mean that you are gonna walk out on us at the end of the season and leave us with nothing the same way you walked in? That ain't right. We both share the blame for this screwed up team. We seem to think that some of our players are better than what they really are. You can leave New York if you want to and you will be remembered as the man who ran out on New York. You owe us something. Think of La La. She will not be looked upon the same way in New York. It's not her fault.
Melo you need to do the right thing and stay and help build up what you and Dolan took down. Our team was not that great before you got here but we did have picks and decent players. How could you be surprised that we stink now. We will not be at full strength until 2015 and if you leave even if we have cap space it will be hard for us to get a franchise player.
So Melo it's up to you weather you stay or go I will still be a Knicks diehard fan but I wonder will we ever be a contender again while Dolan is running this team. Remember this ain't Cleveland. This is New York the Mecca of basketball.

This would be cute if it was from an 11 year old who sleeps in Knick Pajamas, beds in Knicks sheets, curtains and a poster of Melo in his room.

Regarding "be better if he went free agent"......Well yeah, but not for him.
NObody made Knicks do that trade, nobody put a gun to Dolans head. Melo was not going free agent. Not with minor knee surgery, not with a new CBA.

He knows he gutted the team, and now your asking him to gut another so he can walk into another situation? He is not stupid.

BTW, Melo is not reading this. Life is not fair. We traded Clyde. Business first.

This from someone who has wet dreams about the Coliseum, Net's afros and ABA cheerleaders in leather hip waders...

Gutted the team:
Let's review, for the billionth time, shall we?
1) Felton. Remember when he was all we had in the backcourt?
2) Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?
3) Mayor. 3 years of 1st round bounce outs. I forget, have the Nuggs retired his jersey yet?
4) Moz. 3 years and one showcase game. Cole Aldrich doesn't even have a Blake Griffin crotch poster moment yet.

And what did we get for all this gutting? From crap records and a walking wounded Amare knees half season blowout to the best player the team has had since Ewing or BK. 2nd round. 50 win season.

"He knows he gutted the team." Think Melo knows why people are still fussing over what they're not doing in Denver, 4 years later?

We traded Clyde when he was no longer any good. Not that Jim Cleamons was worth sheet either, but hey. We sold low.
We traded Ewing and he spent the next two seasons putting up Bob Thornton's numbers.

Melo just might have a flunky posse member reading this for him. Collecting fan thoughts and quotes for the autobiog.

Life goes up and down fellas. Relax. We're still the Knicks and everyone else isn't. For everyone but people like tkf, dfkt and the invisible 3G4G, that just might mean something.

i always wonder if you are ever on planet earth when you post.. really, lets look at things this way..

lets say we still had gallo on IR all year
Moz was still getting dunked on by blake, (the relevance of that here is also mindboggling)
and chandler and his 3 years first round bounce outs.. (forget that carmelo has the worst playoff record in decades..)

lets say they were here and all of that was true...

we would still be in better shape than we are now... we would still have our cap flexibility and our picks, especially this year!!!! YOU DO REALIZE WE ARE 19-30????

Gallo. How's that career on the IR progressing?

Great I guess.. he still gets paid, he is slated to be back 100% next year, to "team up' "run with" the lottery pick they get from the knicks.. and BTW: with all of the injuries.. his team is still above .500

And still in great position to get bounced out of the first round, right? Above .500??? You're crowing about being above .500? Gallo gets to wait till next year?? I seem to remember that being the case when he was here too, right? Missing seasons seems to rank high on your value scale.

We would be in better shape in your world where 29 win seasons and not making the playoffs is better off. Because for you, tkf, everything's better without Melo.

Tell me tkf, if things are so bright and cheery in in Denver, why are you still here, all these years later, posting out of both your azzhole and your fistula? You realize the same things keep coming out of both holes right?

That's all you have? You're seriously arguing that Melo + no picks and a .400 team is better than having Gallo and company, our lottery picks, and cap space? What so great about watching Melo on a .400 team without lottery picks? It seems this is bad enough that any sane person would have humility when discussing alternative paths.

yea, I don't get it bonn.. his argument is insane.. why he keeps bring up denver then complaining about denver is absurd...

I don't think he understands.. when you are a rebuilding team like denver.. things like playing above .500 ball, picks, and youth are very important..

when you are a win now team like the knicks.. maxed out aging players, 11 games under .500 and no picks is absolutely tragic.. no matter how you look at it.. doesn't matter who you are a fan of, which player you love or hate.. it is just downright tragic..