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2/6/2014  11:22 AM
jrodmc wrote:
fishmike wrote:
tkf wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Maybe Dolan will sell high for the first time in his life
I actually thought about that... I have mixed feelings. Mostly because I see only one of two scenarions with this front office:
1)Overpay to keep Melo and spend the next 5 years losing in the first round because of years like this when its clear the FO has no clue how to do anything
2)Trade Melo for a nice fat package which may or may not yield us players as good as another round of Gallo/Chandler/Frye/Lee while we win 25 games a year

actually only #1 makes sense. Knicks franchise value has really jumped in the last few years since Melo got here. No way Dolan jeapordizes that


I don't see how #1 makes any sense - at least not if you want a great team. Maybe for Dolan's money it's the easiest way to proceed. Not sure if that's what you meant.

I think it makes a ton of sense if the organization has any desire to build a program. In other words, it makes a lot of sense for almost every other franchise. I think option two makes even less sense for the Knicks though because I have literally no faith in the Knicks developing young players


Well, yeah, I have literally no faith in the Knicks organization to do anything (including build around Melo).

another thing to take note of bonn, Denver which has had a better front office than us for years tried to build around carmelo, and they could only muster getting out of the first round once in all of those years.. It just may be too difficult to build around a guy whose style isn't conducive to cohesive team play.... so yea, for a much less competent front office like ours, it will be damn near impossible...

from the guy whos favorite player is Felton.

And who's favorite player last year shot 12% from the field while making everyone better but the front office.
Flip - losing
Flop - next winning streak.
Flip - Denver's brilliant front office built to win whenever they want
Flop - Denver's front office is stupid because of Melo


By the way, #2 sure sounds like fun, doesn't it?

Funny, Melo wins Player of the month, but he's nothing to build around.

j-rod.... not sure what denver has to do with this.. but... hit me back when they are drafting in the lottery with the knicks pick..

Funny, Melo wins Player of the month, but he's nothing to build around.

actually what is more funny is a player with the worst playoff record in more than two decades.. is a player you champion to build around..

but hey, he is player of the month, so I guess you can let the building begin..... smh

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/6/2014  11:22 AM
fishmike wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
fishmike wrote:
tkf wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Maybe Dolan will sell high for the first time in his life
I actually thought about that... I have mixed feelings. Mostly because I see only one of two scenarions with this front office:
1)Overpay to keep Melo and spend the next 5 years losing in the first round because of years like this when its clear the FO has no clue how to do anything
2)Trade Melo for a nice fat package which may or may not yield us players as good as another round of Gallo/Chandler/Frye/Lee while we win 25 games a year

actually only #1 makes sense. Knicks franchise value has really jumped in the last few years since Melo got here. No way Dolan jeapordizes that


I don't see how #1 makes any sense - at least not if you want a great team. Maybe for Dolan's money it's the easiest way to proceed. Not sure if that's what you meant.

I think it makes a ton of sense if the organization has any desire to build a program. In other words, it makes a lot of sense for almost every other franchise. I think option two makes even less sense for the Knicks though because I have literally no faith in the Knicks developing young players


Well, yeah, I have literally no faith in the Knicks organization to do anything (including build around Melo).

another thing to take note of bonn, Denver which has had a better front office than us for years tried to build around carmelo, and they could only muster getting out of the first round once in all of those years.. It just may be too difficult to build around a guy whose style isn't conducive to cohesive team play.... so yea, for a much less competent front office like ours, it will be damn near impossible...

from the guy whos favorite player is Felton.

And who's favorite player last year shot 12% from the field while making everyone better but the front office.
Flip - losing
Flop - next winning streak.
Flip - Denver's brilliant front office built to win whenever they want
Flop - Denver's front office is stupid because of Melo


By the way, #2 sure sounds like fun, doesn't it?

Funny, Melo wins Player of the month, but he's nothing to build around.

jrod, anyone can put up 30/10 over a month in the NBA... you just need to take a ton of shots. Shocking no other NBA players have realized this.

yeah fish, 60 point games grow on trees, right? Any inefficient chucker could do it. Happens all the time, totally meaningless.
Trade the idiot now, he doesn't support his teammates enough. Stupid headband. Dumb smile.

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2/6/2014  11:24 AM
fishmike wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
fishmike wrote:
tkf wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Maybe Dolan will sell high for the first time in his life
I actually thought about that... I have mixed feelings. Mostly because I see only one of two scenarions with this front office:
1)Overpay to keep Melo and spend the next 5 years losing in the first round because of years like this when its clear the FO has no clue how to do anything
2)Trade Melo for a nice fat package which may or may not yield us players as good as another round of Gallo/Chandler/Frye/Lee while we win 25 games a year

actually only #1 makes sense. Knicks franchise value has really jumped in the last few years since Melo got here. No way Dolan jeapordizes that


I don't see how #1 makes any sense - at least not if you want a great team. Maybe for Dolan's money it's the easiest way to proceed. Not sure if that's what you meant.

I think it makes a ton of sense if the organization has any desire to build a program. In other words, it makes a lot of sense for almost every other franchise. I think option two makes even less sense for the Knicks though because I have literally no faith in the Knicks developing young players


Well, yeah, I have literally no faith in the Knicks organization to do anything (including build around Melo).

another thing to take note of bonn, Denver which has had a better front office than us for years tried to build around carmelo, and they could only muster getting out of the first round once in all of those years.. It just may be too difficult to build around a guy whose style isn't conducive to cohesive team play.... so yea, for a much less competent front office like ours, it will be damn near impossible...

from the guy whos favorite player is Felton.

And who's favorite player last year shot 12% from the field while making everyone better but the front office.
Flip - losing
Flop - next winning streak.
Flip - Denver's brilliant front office built to win whenever they want
Flop - Denver's front office is stupid because of Melo


By the way, #2 sure sounds like fun, doesn't it?

Funny, Melo wins Player of the month, but he's nothing to build around.

jrod, anyone can put up 30/10 over a month in the NBA... you just need to take a ton of shots. Shocking no other NBA players have realized this.

WHO AVERAGED 30/10?

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/6/2014  11:27 AM
jrodmc wrote:
fishmike wrote:
jrodmc wrote:
fishmike wrote:
tkf wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Bonn1997 wrote:Maybe Dolan will sell high for the first time in his life
I actually thought about that... I have mixed feelings. Mostly because I see only one of two scenarions with this front office:
1)Overpay to keep Melo and spend the next 5 years losing in the first round because of years like this when its clear the FO has no clue how to do anything
2)Trade Melo for a nice fat package which may or may not yield us players as good as another round of Gallo/Chandler/Frye/Lee while we win 25 games a year

actually only #1 makes sense. Knicks franchise value has really jumped in the last few years since Melo got here. No way Dolan jeapordizes that


I don't see how #1 makes any sense - at least not if you want a great team. Maybe for Dolan's money it's the easiest way to proceed. Not sure if that's what you meant.

I think it makes a ton of sense if the organization has any desire to build a program. In other words, it makes a lot of sense for almost every other franchise. I think option two makes even less sense for the Knicks though because I have literally no faith in the Knicks developing young players


Well, yeah, I have literally no faith in the Knicks organization to do anything (including build around Melo).

another thing to take note of bonn, Denver which has had a better front office than us for years tried to build around carmelo, and they could only muster getting out of the first round once in all of those years.. It just may be too difficult to build around a guy whose style isn't conducive to cohesive team play.... so yea, for a much less competent front office like ours, it will be damn near impossible...

from the guy whos favorite player is Felton.

And who's favorite player last year shot 12% from the field while making everyone better but the front office.
Flip - losing
Flop - next winning streak.
Flip - Denver's brilliant front office built to win whenever they want
Flop - Denver's front office is stupid because of Melo


By the way, #2 sure sounds like fun, doesn't it?

Funny, Melo wins Player of the month, but he's nothing to build around.

jrod, anyone can put up 30/10 over a month in the NBA... you just need to take a ton of shots. Shocking no other NBA players have realized this.

yeah fish, 60 point games grow on trees, right? Any inefficient chucker could do it. Happens all the time, totally meaningless.
Trade the idiot now, he doesn't support his teammates enough. Stupid headband. Dumb smile.

LOL.. you need to look at that list.. you do know guys like Gilbert arenas scored 60 points.. another chucker... it happens..

BTW: how has all of this helped the knicks cause?

oh wait.. it is feltons fault.. no chandler, no prigs.. no woodson.. right?

can you tell me j-rod, are you happy with where we are now?

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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2/6/2014  11:40 AM
NYKBocker wrote:Perfect time to blow it up. Sell high.
it would be, but you cant ask or expect Dolan to do that. Even if he was a competent owner who was driven by winning
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2/6/2014  11:48 AM
fishmike wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Perfect time to blow it up. Sell high.
it would be, but you cant ask or expect Dolan to do that. Even if he was a competent owner who was driven by winning

That's a good point actually. Would a different owner who is committed to winning and is under the same circumstances as Dolan actually trade Melo? Maybe a different owner would go to him with an ultimatum but I still don't even know about that.
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2/6/2014  11:55 AM

Melo deserves the award for Jan. Working very hard - offensively and on the boards. D still by appointment only, but, clearly hardest working player on the court, and, playing with weakest supporting cast of any top fight player.

As to the Decision, i hope they move him - even if he assured them he wouldn't leave. They rolled the dice several years ago- Amare and Melo - unfortunately, Amare broke down, and, for whatever reason, even healthy, those two didn't mix well. Can blame ownership for lots, but, Dolan certainly was willing to invest heavily to try. I didn't like him getting fleeced by Denver, but, the criticism that he doesn't want to win is unfair. As to who should have realized/predicted Melo and Amare couldn't jel (Amare, MDA, Lin - lots of folks who apparently can't work well with Melo), or, that Amare would break down, open for debate.

Without draft picks, and tradeable players, you can't "build around Melo". He'll start to decline in several years, and meantime, what would you have? I believe you move him. Team will stink (not a new concept for this franchise, sadly) for a while, but, its the only rational decision, to me.

If you had draft picks, or even tradeable assets besides Melo, I'd say keep him and try to contend near term, but, you don't, so, that's not an option.

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2/6/2014  12:08 PM
TeamBall wrote:
fishmike wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Perfect time to blow it up. Sell high.
it would be, but you cant ask or expect Dolan to do that. Even if he was a competent owner who was driven by winning

That's a good point actually. Would a different owner who is committed to winning and is under the same circumstances as Dolan actually trade Melo? Maybe a different owner would go to him with an ultimatum but I still don't even know about that.
A competent owner wouldnt have fired the GM of the 54 win season. A competent owner would have offered Jeremy Lin a reasonable contract at midnight instead of publicly courting Steve Nash. A competent owner... man we could do this all day. A competent owner would have plan and a philosophy. Ours has neither.

If I couldnt get a 2nd impact player at the deadline I would look to trade Carmelo. I would work the phones as buyers and sellers. See what the best options are.

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2/6/2014  12:12 PM
fishmike wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
fishmike wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Perfect time to blow it up. Sell high.
it would be, but you cant ask or expect Dolan to do that. Even if he was a competent owner who was driven by winning

That's a good point actually. Would a different owner who is committed to winning and is under the same circumstances as Dolan actually trade Melo? Maybe a different owner would go to him with an ultimatum but I still don't even know about that.
A competent owner wouldnt have fired the GM of the 54 win season. A competent owner would have offered Jeremy Lin a reasonable contract at midnight instead of publicly courting Steve Nash. A competent owner... man we could do this all day. A competent owner would have plan and a philosophy. Ours has neither.

If I couldnt get a 2nd impact player at the deadline I would look to trade Carmelo. I would work the phones as buyers and sellers. See what the best options are.


They're gonna be looking for that 2nd guy through free agency unfortunately. I don't see what good that does us if we can't entice Melo to stay.
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2/6/2014  12:17 PM
TeamBall wrote:
fishmike wrote:
TeamBall wrote:
fishmike wrote:
NYKBocker wrote:Perfect time to blow it up. Sell high.
it would be, but you cant ask or expect Dolan to do that. Even if he was a competent owner who was driven by winning

That's a good point actually. Would a different owner who is committed to winning and is under the same circumstances as Dolan actually trade Melo? Maybe a different owner would go to him with an ultimatum but I still don't even know about that.
A competent owner wouldnt have fired the GM of the 54 win season. A competent owner would have offered Jeremy Lin a reasonable contract at midnight instead of publicly courting Steve Nash. A competent owner... man we could do this all day. A competent owner would have plan and a philosophy. Ours has neither.

If I couldnt get a 2nd impact player at the deadline I would look to trade Carmelo. I would work the phones as buyers and sellers. See what the best options are.


They're gonna be looking for that 2nd guy through free agency unfortunately. I don't see what good that does us if we can't entice Melo to stay.
FA isnt much of an option next year... do the Knicks even have a MLE? I think they only have the mini-MLE because they are in luxury land.

Trading Melo would certainly yield a good package if the Knicks were smart, but they arent. And of course what do they do with that package? I mean we had David Lee coming off a 20/12/55% year but and we let him go because with all the losing people didnt think he was an impact player. Does MSG have a culture that can field a young team? Scary thought...

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2/6/2014  1:47 PM
Congrats to Melo. Outside of him and THJ, there hasn't been much to cheer for this year.

Legit top player in this league going to waste...

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2/6/2014  2:34 PM
MaTT4281 wrote:Congrats to Melo. Outside of him and THJ, there hasn't been much to cheer for this year.

Legit top player in this league going to waste...

think about it... we start 4 guys who cant score at all next to Melo, and he's still the 2nd leading scorer in the league and playing great ball.
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2/6/2014  2:36 PM
it's b/c nobody doubles melo until the end of the game. they know they can let him go for his and just need to check everyone else.
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2/6/2014  2:39 PM
djsunyc wrote:it's b/c nobody doubles melo until the end of the game. they know they can let him go for his and just need to check everyone else.
hes doubled constantly. Still. Ive never seen a team miss more open looks or simply pass them up because they are scared to shoot. Except the 10 year olds I coach. They are on a par in terms of BBIQ with the Knicks
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Melo wins player of the month for Jan

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