lin comes up for me and as relevant because it is proof positive that anthony is a primadonna. melo refused to be subsumed in something bigger and better and next thing you know we are stuck with felton again. god help me

basically rewind to 2010 and start all over again. once he is traded a good coach will make himself available. no coach wants to come to new york and try to make this team work.

trade melo!

Also, how often does Woodson say "again, [insert player] is a big part of what we do"?

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:the problem with the knicks is carmelo anthony-- and i mean from day 1 almost 3 years ago now. he is impossible to build around if for only two reasons: he doesn't make others better and he is a sub-par defender. never mind that he and stoudemire was redundant. if we have any title hopes at all it must begin with trading carmelo anthony and getting back some draft picks. some sort of three-team trade that gets us back several first-rounders over the next 2-3 seasons. d'antoni came here as part of a total rebuild and he suffered through two seasons along with the fanbase, only to have the rug pulled out from under him.

lin comes up for me and as relevant because it is proof positive that anthony is a primadonna. melo refused to be subsumed in something bigger and better and next thing you know we are stuck with felton again. god help me

basically rewind to 2010 and start all over again. once he is traded a good coach will make himself available. no coach wants to come to new york and try to make this team work.

trade melo!

I know, right? I mean if Melo made others around him better, Felton would actually had a good game! That backdoor play? All Melo's fault. Those lobs/airballs? Probably because Melo's so selfish. His bad pick and roll defense? Well, clearly Melo's coaching Ray behind the scenes and telling him to go udner every screen. It's the only thing that makes sense, right?

It honestly is astounding that in a video about RAYMOND FELTON - where Melo is mentioned what, two times? - that you have to bring your agenda front and center. Give it a rest...

if carmelo had not run lin out of town we would not have had to be stuck with felton. there was a post or three about lin versus felton in this thread.

the melo era is pretty much all suckage. i want him traded. you?

Sangfroid wrote:Thank you. Still, I see the deceptiveness of the situation and understand the reaction by Dolan. Who knows, I guess he felt he could get by with Felon, Kidd and Prigs. It worked the first season. Too bad no upgrade was addressed for 2014. Which brings us to our current dilemma.

I am still a little confused. What deceptiveness? Lin showed everything up front. Nothing he did was behind the scenes. The only thing somebody can complain about is that he changed agents mid negotiations but even that move was justified. Lin's original agent, Roger Montgomery, was a small time agent. He only had 4 clients and Lin was the 4th. Linsanity proved too much for him so they agreed to sign with Washington-based agent Jim Tanner of Williams & Connolly. Montgomery still working with Lin as an adviser.

Again..the only reason Dolan can actually use is fiscal responsibility....but like what a lot of the talking heads and sports reporters...it should have never been an issue. He paid albatross contracts with total disregard of payroll. Players like Jerome James, Eddy Curry comes to mind. I don't see what Lin and his people did wrong here. He was told to test the market. He did. He was told to set his value. He did. Exactly what kind of deception happened here?

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:the problem with the knicks is carmelo anthony-- and i mean from day 1 almost 3 years ago now. he is impossible to build around if for only two reasons: he doesn't make others better and he is a sub-par defender. never mind that he and stoudemire was redundant. if we have any title hopes at all it must begin with trading carmelo anthony and getting back some draft picks. some sort of three-team trade that gets us back several first-rounders over the next 2-3 seasons. d'antoni came here as part of a total rebuild and he suffered through two seasons along with the fanbase, only to have the rug pulled out from under him.

lin comes up for me and as relevant because it is proof positive that anthony is a primadonna. melo refused to be subsumed in something bigger and better and next thing you know we are stuck with felton again. god help me

basically rewind to 2010 and start all over again. once he is traded a good coach will make himself available. no coach wants to come to new york and try to make this team work.

trade melo!

I know, right? I mean if Melo made others around him better, Felton would actually had a good game! That backdoor play? All Melo's fault. Those lobs/airballs? Probably because Melo's so selfish. His bad pick and roll defense? Well, clearly Melo's coaching Ray behind the scenes and telling him to go udner every screen. It's the only thing that makes sense, right?

It honestly is astounding that in a video about RAYMOND FELTON - where Melo is mentioned what, two times? - that you have to bring your agenda front and center. Give it a rest...

if carmelo had not run lin out of town we would not have had to be stuck with felton. there was a post or three about lin versus felton in this thread.

the melo era is pretty much all suckage. i want him traded. you?

NardDogNation wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:the problem with the knicks is carmelo anthony-- and i mean from day 1 almost 3 years ago now. he is impossible to build around if for only two reasons: he doesn't make others better and he is a sub-par defender. never mind that he and stoudemire was redundant. if we have any title hopes at all it must begin with trading carmelo anthony and getting back some draft picks. some sort of three-team trade that gets us back several first-rounders over the next 2-3 seasons. d'antoni came here as part of a total rebuild and he suffered through two seasons along with the fanbase, only to have the rug pulled out from under him.

lin comes up for me and as relevant because it is proof positive that anthony is a primadonna. melo refused to be subsumed in something bigger and better and next thing you know we are stuck with felton again. god help me

basically rewind to 2010 and start all over again. once he is traded a good coach will make himself available. no coach wants to come to new york and try to make this team work.

trade melo!

I know, right? I mean if Melo made others around him better, Felton would actually had a good game! That backdoor play? All Melo's fault. Those lobs/airballs? Probably because Melo's so selfish. His bad pick and roll defense? Well, clearly Melo's coaching Ray behind the scenes and telling him to go udner every screen. It's the only thing that makes sense, right?

It honestly is astounding that in a video about RAYMOND FELTON - where Melo is mentioned what, two times? - that you have to bring your agenda front and center. Give it a rest...

You forgot the fact that Carmelo is actually responsible for several snowstorms that have hit the Northeast this past winter. How can you possibly forget a fact like that?

bottom line: he needs to be traded. agreed? and if not then what scenario do you foresee or prefer? talk basketball.

dk7th wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:the problem with the knicks is carmelo anthony-- and i mean from day 1 almost 3 years ago now. he is impossible to build around if for only two reasons: he doesn't make others better and he is a sub-par defender. never mind that he and stoudemire was redundant. if we have any title hopes at all it must begin with trading carmelo anthony and getting back some draft picks. some sort of three-team trade that gets us back several first-rounders over the next 2-3 seasons. d'antoni came here as part of a total rebuild and he suffered through two seasons along with the fanbase, only to have the rug pulled out from under him.

lin comes up for me and as relevant because it is proof positive that anthony is a primadonna. melo refused to be subsumed in something bigger and better and next thing you know we are stuck with felton again. god help me

basically rewind to 2010 and start all over again. once he is traded a good coach will make himself available. no coach wants to come to new york and try to make this team work.

trade melo!

I know, right? I mean if Melo made others around him better, Felton would actually had a good game! That backdoor play? All Melo's fault. Those lobs/airballs? Probably because Melo's so selfish. His bad pick and roll defense? Well, clearly Melo's coaching Ray behind the scenes and telling him to go udner every screen. It's the only thing that makes sense, right?

It honestly is astounding that in a video about RAYMOND FELTON - where Melo is mentioned what, two times? - that you have to bring your agenda front and center. Give it a rest...

You forgot the fact that Carmelo is actually responsible for several snowstorms that have hit the Northeast this past winter. How can you possibly forget a fact like that?

bottom line: he needs to be traded. agreed? and if not then what scenario do you foresee or prefer? talk basketball.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:the problem with the knicks is carmelo anthony-- and i mean from day 1 almost 3 years ago now. he is impossible to build around if for only two reasons: he doesn't make others better and he is a sub-par defender. never mind that he and stoudemire was redundant. if we have any title hopes at all it must begin with trading carmelo anthony and getting back some draft picks. some sort of three-team trade that gets us back several first-rounders over the next 2-3 seasons. d'antoni came here as part of a total rebuild and he suffered through two seasons along with the fanbase, only to have the rug pulled out from under him.

lin comes up for me and as relevant because it is proof positive that anthony is a primadonna. melo refused to be subsumed in something bigger and better and next thing you know we are stuck with felton again. god help me

basically rewind to 2010 and start all over again. once he is traded a good coach will make himself available. no coach wants to come to new york and try to make this team work.

trade melo!

I know, right? I mean if Melo made others around him better, Felton would actually had a good game! That backdoor play? All Melo's fault. Those lobs/airballs? Probably because Melo's so selfish. His bad pick and roll defense? Well, clearly Melo's coaching Ray behind the scenes and telling him to go udner every screen. It's the only thing that makes sense, right?

It honestly is astounding that in a video about RAYMOND FELTON - where Melo is mentioned what, two times? - that you have to bring your agenda front and center. Give it a rest...

You forgot the fact that Carmelo is actually responsible for several snowstorms that have hit the Northeast this past winter. How can you possibly forget a fact like that?

bottom line: he needs to be traded. agreed? and if not then what scenario do you foresee or prefer? talk basketball.

Talk basketball? Right back at you. You just said Melo forced Lin out.

you didn't answer the questions.

CrushAlot wrote:

dk7th wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

dk7th wrote:the problem with the knicks is carmelo anthony-- and i mean from day 1 almost 3 years ago now. he is impossible to build around if for only two reasons: he doesn't make others better and he is a sub-par defender. never mind that he and stoudemire was redundant. if we have any title hopes at all it must begin with trading carmelo anthony and getting back some draft picks. some sort of three-team trade that gets us back several first-rounders over the next 2-3 seasons. d'antoni came here as part of a total rebuild and he suffered through two seasons along with the fanbase, only to have the rug pulled out from under him.

lin comes up for me and as relevant because it is proof positive that anthony is a primadonna. melo refused to be subsumed in something bigger and better and next thing you know we are stuck with felton again. god help me

basically rewind to 2010 and start all over again. once he is traded a good coach will make himself available. no coach wants to come to new york and try to make this team work.

trade melo!

I know, right? I mean if Melo made others around him better, Felton would actually had a good game! That backdoor play? All Melo's fault. Those lobs/airballs? Probably because Melo's so selfish. His bad pick and roll defense? Well, clearly Melo's coaching Ray behind the scenes and telling him to go udner every screen. It's the only thing that makes sense, right?

It honestly is astounding that in a video about RAYMOND FELTON - where Melo is mentioned what, two times? - that you have to bring your agenda front and center. Give it a rest...

if carmelo had not run lin out of town we would not have had to be stuck with felton. there was a post or three about lin versus felton in this thread.

the melo era is pretty much all suckage. i want him traded. you?

Did Melo fire Lin's agent so that he could hire an agent that might get him a better deal on the open market? Did he tell that agent to say Lin might not return to the Knicks? Did he advise him to sit out from participating with the USA Select team to protect his free agency?

Good Post....Talk about not answering questions, I see DK doesn't want to touch this and now wants to get back to talking about BB...

Sangfroid wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

Sangfroid wrote:Thank you. Still, I see the deceptiveness of the situation and understand the reaction by Dolan. Who knows, I guess he felt he could get by with Felon, Kidd and Prigs. It worked the first season. Too bad no upgrade was addressed for 2014. Which brings us to our current dilemma.

I am still a little confused. What deceptiveness? Lin showed everything up front. Nothing he did was behind the scenes. The only thing somebody can complain about is that he changed agents mid negotiations but even that move was justified. Lin's original agent, Roger Montgomery, was a small time agent. He only had 4 clients and Lin was the 4th. Linsanity proved too much for him so they agreed to sign with Washington-based agent Jim Tanner of Williams & Connolly. Montgomery still working with Lin as an adviser.

Again..the only reason Dolan can actually use is fiscal responsibility....but like what a lot of the talking heads and sports reporters...it should have never been an issue. He paid albatross contracts with total disregard of payroll. Players like Jerome James, Eddy Curry comes to mind. I don't see what Lin and his people did wrong here. He was told to test the market. He did. He was told to set his value. He did. Exactly what kind of deception happened here?

It's a classic bait and switch. Please give me another example where a contract was put forward, communicated on and then revamped to included the poison pill. Oh, that's right, Asik's contract. I bet his contract wasn't matched on the same grounds.

Bait and switch? It was never presented. Knicks never had a chance to match the original contract drawn up by Morey. Morey never submitted it. That was good business practice by Morey to rework it when the Knicks showed their hands.

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