Knixkik wrote:We need to rededicate ourselves to finding players who fit with him. Need to addree the PG position. Either Lowry soon, or Rondo or Dragic next year. Develop Hardaway Jr. as the future SG, he's a great fit with Melo and has a ton of potential. Maybe he can eventually develop the way Afflalo has into a secondary scoring option. Let everyone else expire. Try to bring back Chandler on the cheap for a championship run. Continue to find and develop solid minimum salary pickups like Murray, Tyler, Prigioni, etc. Try to salvage enough cap space to go after 1 major free agent to complete the core. Then we should be good.

do you honestly think that roster would contend? and forget rondo, He has stated many times he wants to stay in boston..

When putting together a team, why not look for talent that is not mismatched, but guys who compliment? I hear every year that this player or that player compliments melo... I heard that with bargnani... how did that work out? when is carmelo going to start to compliment the other players.. that seems to be the bigger problem...

gunsnewing wrote:No Lowry is a bulldog unlike Felton. He is strong and can penetrate. Good enough plAymaker not great but he can hit an open shot again unlike felton

Billups is the exact opposite

felton is a bulldog as well he is just not as talented.. but you can't question his will and how hard he plays.. actually if not for felton, do we even get past boston last year?

Shooters who can actually shoot(Tim Hardaway types)

2way SF or lockdown Defender SF(Shawn Marion type)

Quality center who can defend, rebound and hit open jumper

Basically take our shot with a team that kinda resembles the Dallas mavericks

Then you need a coach like Thibs or JVG to go all the way

gunsnewing wrote:I think the best way to build around Melo is with a real PG with the ball in the PGs hands. Someone who Melo trusts.

Shooters who can actually shoot(Tim Hardaway types)

2way SF of lockdown Defender SF(Shawn Marion type)

Quality center who can defend, rebound and hit open jumper

Basically take our shot with a team that kinda resembles the Dallas mavericks

Then you need a coach like Thibs or JVG to go all the way

This is exactly how i feel. We need to add shooters and 2way players in the worst way. Lowry would be a decent start. And he is 27 years old, for all we know he could be just coming into his own and will be an all-star caliber player for the next 5-6 years. Develop THjr, he is the right fit at SG long-term. A SF like Jeff Green or Chandler Parsons (both free agents in 2015 who can shoot and defend), and either resign Chandler for cheap or someone comparable. That would be a great 5 to begin with. And the right coach of course.

CrushAlot wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I prefer Lowry over rondo that's for sure

Character and injury reasons

A lot of people are turned off by Lowry's attitude actually. There's been a lot of talk about his character.

I know he had problems in Houston and even said he didn't think he could go back if McHale was the coach. Has he had similar issues in Toronto? I remember reading that many felt prior to this year that Casey had misused him with the raps.

initially yes. casey fell in love with jose (as almost every coach would) and he had his issues with lowry. but lowry has always had that *other* pg on the roster to challenge him - be it conley, dragic or jose. but now, it's his show and he is downright beasting. his only off year was last year - he was awesome in houston and now he's awesome again once rudy was moved. but the stigma is still there so i'm hoping that hurts his FA value and he re-signs with us for around $40/4 deal. he really is a bulldog on the court and is a leader and it has permeated throughout the team. imho, he's this generations billups.

djsunyc wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

MSG3 wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:I prefer Lowry over rondo that's for sure

Character and injury reasons

A lot of people are turned off by Lowry's attitude actually. There's been a lot of talk about his character.

I know he had problems in Houston and even said he didn't think he could go back if McHale was the coach. Has he had similar issues in Toronto? I remember reading that many felt prior to this year that Casey had misused him with the raps.

initially yes. casey fell in love with jose (as almost every coach would) and he had his issues with lowry. but lowry has always had that *other* pg on the roster to challenge him - be it conley, dragic or jose. but now, it's his show and he is downright beasting. his only off year was last year - he was awesome in houston and now he's awesome again once rudy was moved. but the stigma is still there so i'm hoping that hurts his FA value and he re-signs with us for around $40/4 deal. he really is a bulldog on the court and is a leader and it has permeated throughout the team. imho, he's this generations billups.

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:No Lowry is a bulldog unlike Felton. He is strong and can penetrate. Good enough plAymaker not great but he can hit an open shot again unlike felton

Billups is the exact opposite

felton is a bulldog as well he is just not as talented.. but you can't question his will and how hard he plays.. actually if not for felton, do we even get past boston last year?

So you get on Melo because you think his defense is poor but appreciate Felton, who not only plays the worst defense on the team, but also comes to camp out of shape and FAT every year of his career. A guy that can't lay off the twinkles when it's his damn job to come ready to play is the farthest thing from a serious athlete. Look at Felton from his UNC days, his body has completely changed, he's a damn blob. For someone that loves assists and FG% you choose to defend a player that does neither well. What exactly is so hard working about Felton, that he doesn't have a heart attack every time his overweight frame plays more than 6 minutes without a rest? The guy is gassed every 4th quarter. I can't even believe you're going to defend a PG who struggles to get 4 assists every night.

Unbelievable.

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:No Lowry is a bulldog unlike Felton. He is strong and can penetrate. Good enough plAymaker not great but he can hit an open shot again unlike felton

Billups is the exact opposite

felton is a bulldog as well he is just not as talented.. but you can't question his will and how hard he plays.. actually if not for felton, do we even get past boston last year?

yea.. Felton is great. Weird though... he shoots 40%. Thats terrible. Arent you someone who thinks player effeciency is important? Isnt that your knock on Melo? And Felton cant guard anyone anymore... every guard gets in the lane against him.

Felton sucks.. but your observations are consistent as its clear you dont understand what your seeing (if you actually watch Knick basketball)

Yeah I don't get the Felton defense, the guy is atrocious and probably more inconsistent than Bargs on the offensive end. Don't even need to bring up his D because it is non-existent. Mills needs to acquire a better stop-gap PG for next yr without compromising the 2015 Cap space.

I have never been crazy about Melo, but I cannot knock him this season because, unlike Fat boy Felton, I cannot question how hard he's played all year. Hopefully he resigns w/ some wiggle room, realizing it's the best way to acquire talent around him for run at a ring. If he goes, elsewhere then I will enjoy speculating about who's coming to NY.

sealy wrote:

fishmike wrote:

tkf wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:No Lowry is a bulldog unlike Felton. He is strong and can penetrate. Good enough plAymaker not great but he can hit an open shot again unlike felton

Billups is the exact opposite

felton is a bulldog as well he is just not as talented.. but you can't question his will and how hard he plays.. actually if not for felton, do we even get past boston last year?

yea.. Felton is great. Weird though... he shoots 40%. Thats terrible. Arent you someone who thinks player effeciency is important? Isnt that your knock on Melo? And Felton cant guard anyone anymore... every guard gets in the lane against him.

Felton sucks.. but your observations are consistent as its clear you dont understand what your seeing (if you actually watch Knick basketball)

Yeah I don't get the Felton defense, the guy is atrocious and probably more inconsistent than Bargs on the offensive end. Don't even need to bring up his D because it is non-existent. Mills needs to acquire a better stop-gap PG for next yr without compromising the 2015 Cap space.

I have never been crazy about Melo, but I cannot knock him this season because, unlike Fat boy Felton, I cannot question how hard he's played all year. Hopefully he resigns w/ some wiggle room, realizing it's the best way to acquire talent around him for run at a ring. If he goes, elsewhere then I will enjoy speculating about who's coming to NY.

The problem is Melo has the respect of his peers. So if he jets I think other elite players look at MSG and simply think why bother?

misterearl wrote:“That’s the only thing I care about. Everything else is irrelevant to me when it comes to basketball. Championship is the only thing on my mind. That’s the only thing I want to accomplish, the only thing I want to achieve, and I’m going to do what I got to do to get that.”

Not every elite athlete, with the focus on his productivity, can function in New York. Carmelo Anthony has the rare ability to life his game to any ocassion. We would be crazy not to acquire just two players who can hang with him on the court.... one a guard and the other a 6'10 forward with swag.

He would be crazy to leave 30M on the table in the worlds largest media market.

Win here and you are set for life.

I agree with this. If you want to build around Melo then you need to get him a very good PG and a 2 way SF with length. You will also need a stretch 5, maybe BJ Mullens. Then get a SG that can shoot.

BJ Mullens is having a bad year this year but last year he averaged 10.6 ppg 6.36 rpg so he is a high reward low risk type deal. Maybe send Udrih's expiring contract for Mullens. We know how cheap the paper Clips are.

I would send Felton and Shump to Toronto for Lowry. He is the only true PG that we can realistically get for what we have. I would love Lin or Rubio here but it ain't happening.

Jeff Green from Boston is on the trading block and they want to rid themselves with Gerald Wallace's contract. Send them Tyson and JR Smith for Green and Wallace.

Knicks roster

PG - Lowry/Pablo/Murry
SG - Hardaway JR/Murry
SF - Green/Wallace
PF - Melo/Amare/KMart
C - Mullens/Aldrich/KMart

That will do for now.