We need basketball people making decisions. I know his father was a high school coach for a long time but we need someone who understands the NBA today. The cba, metrics, players and has a good relationship with other GM's

BRIGGS wrote:A. Commit to rebuilding this team head to toe. Come up with a style of play with GM and coaches that are on the same wave length. Acquire players who fit the mold of the style.

B. Put more stock into the PG (s) of the team. I would even consider a style of playing 2 PG's if the synergy was right. It does not have to be the dominant position of the team--but I believe in this new NBA that a PG or guards who can control the game on both heads as the decision maker and head of the defense is highly important. In the past building the team from the front back made most sense--now it is back to front.

C. Make sure all facets of building a team are created equal. The drafting process is just as important as trades or free agency

D. No more multi laden asset deals--meaning--NEVER trade good young players AND draft picks in any deal. It has not worked for 15 years.

E. Have a highly competent younger GM who has success run the team without disruption from ownership with a quality staff. This is probably the most important part.

F. Value character--Try to find leaders not followers

G. Build it inside out. Indiana's core is built on picks 13 21 and 41. You can acquire players who go around and fit the team you have assembled.

H. This is just basketball. The Garden operates as if they have nuclear documents they are in charge of. Open up access and form a friendlier disposition with media. This is one of the reasons free agents are tainted against the Knicks for this reason

I Whatever we did with Chris Smith this year--never do it again.

J. Other than Hardaway and Shumpert--get rid of any vet left on this team over the next two years. If Jeremy Tyler Cole Aldrich and Toure Murry want to be on this team--they have to earn it

we did this. Walsh has hired. He drafted and signed "good guys." He exiled Marbury and hired a coach who was honest and upfront. He moved pricey high attitude player away. Cleaned the roster. Build with young guys. Cleared enough cap space to sign a pair of max FAs, and all was going well until you know who stepped in.

This all really comes down to Dolan and who he hands the keys too.

fishmike wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:A. Commit to rebuilding this team head to toe. Come up with a style of play with GM and coaches that are on the same wave length. Acquire players who fit the mold of the style.

B. Put more stock into the PG (s) of the team. I would even consider a style of playing 2 PG's if the synergy was right. It does not have to be the dominant position of the team--but I believe in this new NBA that a PG or guards who can control the game on both heads as the decision maker and head of the defense is highly important. In the past building the team from the front back made most sense--now it is back to front.

C. Make sure all facets of building a team are created equal. The drafting process is just as important as trades or free agency

D. No more multi laden asset deals--meaning--NEVER trade good young players AND draft picks in any deal. It has not worked for 15 years.

E. Have a highly competent younger GM who has success run the team without disruption from ownership with a quality staff. This is probably the most important part.

F. Value character--Try to find leaders not followers

G. Build it inside out. Indiana's core is built on picks 13 21 and 41. You can acquire players who go around and fit the team you have assembled.

H. This is just basketball. The Garden operates as if they have nuclear documents they are in charge of. Open up access and form a friendlier disposition with media. This is one of the reasons free agents are tainted against the Knicks for this reason

I Whatever we did with Chris Smith this year--never do it again.

J. Other than Hardaway and Shumpert--get rid of any vet left on this team over the next two years. If Jeremy Tyler Cole Aldrich and Toure Murry want to be on this team--they have to earn it

we did this. Walsh has hired. He drafted and signed "good guys." He exiled Marbury and hired a coach who was honest and upfront. He moved pricey high attitude player away. Cleaned the roster. Build with young guys. Cleared enough cap space to sign a pair of max FAs, and all was going well until you know who stepped in.

This all really comes down to Dolan and who he hands the keys too.

sigh, true. the owner needs to banish himself from all basketball decisions.

holfresh wrote:If A. Is to commit to a Coach and GM and come up with a style of play, you can't go on to say which player to put stock in and who should be kept and who should be traded..

My suggestion to the Knicks...they can play Russian Roulette with Carmelo--we cant stop them. One player that HAS to go is Chandler-- Chandler does not fit here anymore. If we want to play a faster brand of basketball with more open space--we need to get rid of this dinosaur and get something back so we can concentrate on the PG position for next year. I hope that atleast they can see what the Nets have done minus Lopez. Get rid of the C and than focus on the PG position in the of season. That is strategy 1.

The tone was that to go a few round in the playoffs year in and year out is easier then going all in to win a championship. To get that franchise player thru the draft you have to tank, and if you tank you lose market share in NY. Other teams don't have:

Three NHL teams
Two NFL teams
Two MLB teams
Pro soccer
Another NBA team.

LA has the same pressures but no pro football for years. Jerry Buss go it right for most of the time. He thought ahead and did tank. Trading for Jabbar depleted the team for a few years but instead of starphuching (harder to do then, but we seemed to try and miss badly) he got to draft Magic and Worthy along with Nixon, cooper and others (thru trades) to keep a nice run. Paul Westhead installed Showtime, McKinny took over but when he fell Riles got handed the keys and got 4 of the 5 chips. (Westhead won with rookie Magic).

Boston Drafted Bird the year before he came out due to some freak rule that you can draft a guy back then. They traded Joe Barry Carroll for Mchale and Parish! Bird was not "Bird" when they drafted him, Parish was an underachiever in Golden State and McHale was never projected to be a HOF type. Auerback had balls and took chances. Boston might have tranistioned better if Len Bias did not die.

Knicks don't take chances or plan ahead, its why we are mired in mediocrity and if anything in 10 years have slipped! This is not a team willing to do what is needed to build a championship team except spend money. The fear of losing market share drives the decision. Like chasing Melo when the Nets seemed to have him.

"You know what's the best part of the Knicks mess - they have Princeton grad Steve Mills to explain it. ... Wait, what? He doesn't talk? Odd."

- Steve Popper ‏

i am not a fan of tanking at all - but that doesn't mean picks should be dealt away like they are pointless.

a smart gm (and organizations) values every avenue to improve.

be that draft picks, free agency and trades.

you try to create a situation where every asset is maximized. then you need a little bit of luck to be truly special.

the knicks have put themselves in a situation where they got carmelo but in the process, didn't care about any other "asset" b/c it was all in for 1 player. that one move compounds multiple other moves to justify it and you are now down this slippery slope.

for 2015 off season of cap space to happen, the knicks would have to do basically nothing of note for the next 18 months. will dolan do that? i don't think so.

gunsnewing wrote:Mills doesn't even have experience being a GM!

We need basketball people making decisions. I know his father was a high school coach for a long time but we need someone who understands the NBA today. The cba, metrics, players and has a good relationship with other GM's

Here here..

BRIGGS wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:If A. Is to commit to a Coach and GM and come up with a style of play, you can't go on to say which player to put stock in and who should be kept and who should be traded..

My suggestion to the Knicks...they can play Russian Roulette with Carmelo--we cant stop them. One player that HAS to go is Chandler-- Chandler does not fit here anymore. If we want to play a faster brand of basketball with more open space--we need to get rid of this dinosaur and get something back so we can concentrate on the PG position for next year. I hope that atleast they can see what the Nets have done minus Lopez. Get rid of the C and than focus on the PG position in the of season. That is strategy 1.

Who says we need to have that style of player? It's not like we have a great core that naturally fits that approach

Right--thats why we are losing.

Yup. I'm half convinced that Dolan screws the Knicks in the hope that people will turn away from the Knicks and . . . listen to the magical sounds of JD and The Straight Shot.

bigblitz2001 wrote:Here is my plan - most people will kill this but here goes

Carmelo Anthony is one of the premier players in the league and is in his prime, this yr is probably one of his best yrs when it comes to all around. He is rebounding better, is a more willing passer (not great but better) and willing defender. He is playing harder than almost all his teammates. I would not be quick to give him up, he needs to be resigned and has every incentive to resign here (money, big market, home town etc) Assuming he is resigned to an extension that will ensure there is no way the Knicks are getting under the cap, there is no 2015, so lets double down.

1. Fire Woodson - Both Melo and Chandler has called him out in the press, when guys with reps like Chandler no longer believe in the coach he is done. He has lost the team. He needs to go because of this.

2. Trade Amare to the Celtics for Jeff Green and Gerald Wallace, Why would the Celtics do this, because they want to rebuild and both Green and Wallace's contract runs a yr longer than Amare and they are both considered overpaid, (they may be able to amnesty Amare and get rid of his contract) even if they can't he still comes off the books earlier and saves money. Why the knicks do it, because although both of these guys are overpaid, they are useful players, bring toughness which is what the knicks need. Would blow up a chance of being under the cap in 2015 but if you keep Melo it won't matter. The problem with the Knicks is they have key players who are lazy or soft on D (JR, Felton, Bargs) and have no consistent second scorer. Both of these guys will work hard and bring toughness. Green can score some and will be the second option on the team. I think this is realistic, asking the Celts for guys like Rondo is a pipe dream we have no assets to get a player like that.

3. Start Felton, Shump, Melo, Green, Chandler and off the bench Kenyon, Wallace, THJr, Prigs…JR is not counted on to play a major role, he comes in after THJr, and only gets minutes as a scoring spark off the bench, if he is not hot he does not get major minutes. This is going to improve our consistency on offense and defense. We may struggle to score a little but we should defend much better.

4. Resign Melo at all costs. This plan is no good if he leaves, make sure he is onboard

5. Look to upgrade PG for a value, develop a back up Center

I dont think Carmelo is swayed by picking up Jeff Green. Carmelo is playing with LBJ and Kobe in LA.