SupremeCommander wrote:unfortunately our only option is buying other people's crap. our guard play is so bad that fool's gold would be a huge improvement.

I would go after OJ Mayo but he got by with athleticism before he got to the NBA and now he gets beat by athleticism

That's if this organization is under the impression they are building around Melo. A true rebuild would avoid this.

If we make this kind of move- how exactly does it turn out any differently than our Bargs deal?

Vmart wrote:I would trade Bargs for Evans straight up. Keep Tyson for a better deal as he still has more value than Bargs.

I would do the opposite- keep Bargs because we've done better with him vs. Chandler. If you are trading for Evans, it's because you want to win now/next 2-3 years.

At some point, we have to ask/demand a first rounder (or more!) when we take on more salary.

nyk4ever wrote:I'd take a chance on tyreke for sure. I know it was a few years ago but do people forget he was a triple double waiting to happen every night? Can shoot pass rebound, if we can get this guy we should. Everyone is looking for a savior,we just need to start adding good players.

He's not even a good player. He has really low bball IQ and the same exact flaws that he's had since he came into the league. Trading for him would be like trading for the 21st century version of Shandon Anderson, Howard Eisley, Clearance Weatherspoon, etc.

EnySpree wrote:Tyreke would definitely be a legit #2 scorer next to Melo. Someone with all world ball handling ability and can finish and feed the open man. That would be awesome.

Getting sessions would be nice too. Ben Gordons contact would be nice too. I don't think the bobcats have use for Bargs though.

I personally would love the idea of getting tyreke evans. Bottom line though the kicks need to do something immediately.

If Evans was so capable of being a legitimate no.2 scorer, why are the Hornets trying to get rid of him? He just signed his contract with them and they are trying to move him. That doesn't tell you something about Tyreke and his game? A guy like that will only compound the problems we have on this team. Yes, I think we need to do something...I'm just not in favor of doing anything, to say we did something.

As for the Bobcats and Bargs, I wonder if they'd be interest too. I know that they don't have a pick in this years draft and are focused on trying to make the playoffs. They have serious issues when it comes to shooting the ball and scoring, which is why I thought they'd be interested in a guy like Bargnani.

The extra year of salary shouldn't be a problem for them since they don't attract free agents (that they don't have to overpay) and they are in no danger of being close to the luxury tax. They took on an extra year of salary in the Maggette for Ben Gordon deal but then again, a pick was involved. My thinking is that since Bargnani is vastly more capable than Gordon is at this point in his career, it would override the need for us to give up a pick. Where it gets tricky, IMO, is with Felton's contract and talent because Sessions is the superior player in every respect.

EnySpree wrote:Hornets were rumored to be shopping Eric Gordon too. So they are trying to maximize the talent on the roster. Remember they do have Austin rivers too. They are trying to move salary to another position

Rivers is a bum. I doubt he'll ever be worthy of being a starter. And if their goal was to maximize the talent on the roster, why are they looking to trade guys now, when their trade value is at a low? I think that they think they made a mistake and are trying to remedy it now as best they can.

nyk4ever wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

nyk4ever wrote:I'd take a chance on tyreke for sure. I know it was a few years ago but do people forget he was a triple double waiting to happen every night? Can shoot pass rebound, if we can get this guy we should. Everyone is looking for a savior,we just need to start adding good players.

He's not even a good player. He has really low bball IQ and the same exact flaws that he's had since he came into the league. Trading for him would be like trading for the 21st century version of Shandon Anderson, Howard Eisley, Clearance Weatherspoon, etc.

how does anyone who averages 20/6/5 in a year have "low bball iq" none of those players you mentioned are anywhere near the same level of talent as tyreke evans.. wake up bro.

JR Smith posted a similar stat line without the assists, just last year. Isiah Rider put up 19.7ppg, 4rpg and 3apg during his hayday. Same with Ricky Davis. All of them were dumb, albeit very talented, players. More importantly, you had to reach all the way back to Evan's rookie season to find a stat line like that. That was nearly 5 years ago. So I ask, who is really the one that needs to wake up?

Finestrg wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Pierre Jackson is the PG I'd like to see us pursue off that team. He'd be a manageable/negligible salary and a guy that could help immediately and a future rebuilding club. Grab this guy and immediately sign him to a 2-yr guaranteed deal. I'd even go 3 yrs if he was open to it. Bridge the gap right through to his early Bird rights.. This guy's at least a great backup PG in the NBA and would be well worth that kind of money.

Evans' salary is horrible btw -- north of 10k per season over the next several seasons. On the books 2 yrs beyond Chandler...Not saying he's not a good young player; he is and I think he could help us. I'd be extremely nervous about adding more salary to this mess though... Move leaves a big gapping hole in the middle too -- would the plan be to have Aldrich & Tyler fill in there? I could be down with that -- this coach isn't though. At least Chandler is a proven double-digit rebounder -- we lose him and don't commit to Aldrich/Tyler, we almost guarantee losing the battle of the boards every night (not to mention run Amar'e/Martin right into the ground). Also, if we added Evans by subtracting Chandler, is that enough to keep Melo here? What's the follow-up plan after this move? Give Melo the moon and keep everything else intact? Is that wise at this point? Trade Melo & break the rest down, leaving Tyreke Evans as the sole guy to build around?

You've been spot on about Pierre Jackson. That's the move we need to make with the Hornets; not for Evans.

Try and get both Evans AND P-Jax in the one deal. That's the play here...Chandler/Murry/$3mm cash/a future 2nd rounder might be enough to get that done. I'd prefer to keep Aldrich/Tyler out of it but if either is needed to cement a deal, so be it...Not sure how New Orleans views Chandler at this juncture. Do they want an older vet like that? And how would Tyson feel about going to a team that may not be ready to really compete for a while? Not that he can do anything about it but I wouldn't want to send N.O. an unhappy camper..Then again, he's played there before and had success there. And Briggs is right -- they do need a C. Anthony Davis is back but I think they prefer him at PF. Chandler is an upgrade over Greg Stiemsma/Alexis Ajinca (although I see value in both of those guys). Trade may have made more sense if we could've done it while Davis was out. Not sure how the Pelicans view this offer; I like it on our end though.

I don't endorse that move at all. Why give up our best trade asset outside of Melo (Chandler) for another team's headache? It makes no sense to me. The only way I even consider a deal for Evans is if they take JR Smith, Raymond Felton and Andrea Bargnani. Bargnani could be their 5 and JR Smith could be their 6th man; while all 3 contracts expire before Evans. They could keep Pierre Jackson under those circumstances because that trio is definitely a tough pill to swallow. Then again, taking on someone with such an exorbitant contract and grossly underperforming, like Evans, is no cake-walk either.

NardDogNation wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Pierre Jackson is the PG I'd like to see us pursue off that team. He'd be a manageable/negligible salary and a guy that could help immediately and a future rebuilding club. Grab this guy and immediately sign him to a 2-yr guaranteed deal. I'd even go 3 yrs if he was open to it. Bridge the gap right through to his early Bird rights.. This guy's at least a great backup PG in the NBA and would be well worth that kind of money.

Evans' salary is horrible btw -- north of 10k per season over the next several seasons. On the books 2 yrs beyond Chandler...Not saying he's not a good young player; he is and I think he could help us. I'd be extremely nervous about adding more salary to this mess though... Move leaves a big gapping hole in the middle too -- would the plan be to have Aldrich & Tyler fill in there? I could be down with that -- this coach isn't though. At least Chandler is a proven double-digit rebounder -- we lose him and don't commit to Aldrich/Tyler, we almost guarantee losing the battle of the boards every night (not to mention run Amar'e/Martin right into the ground). Also, if we added Evans by subtracting Chandler, is that enough to keep Melo here? What's the follow-up plan after this move? Give Melo the moon and keep everything else intact? Is that wise at this point? Trade Melo & break the rest down, leaving Tyreke Evans as the sole guy to build around?

You've been spot on about Pierre Jackson. That's the move we need to make with the Hornets; not for Evans.

Try and get both Evans AND P-Jax in the one deal. That's the play here...Chandler/Murry/$3mm cash/a future 2nd rounder might be enough to get that done. I'd prefer to keep Aldrich/Tyler out of it but if either is needed to cement a deal, so be it...Not sure how New Orleans views Chandler at this juncture. Do they want an older vet like that? And how would Tyson feel about going to a team that may not be ready to really compete for a while? Not that he can do anything about it but I wouldn't want to send N.O. an unhappy camper..Then again, he's played there before and had success there. And Briggs is right -- they do need a C. Anthony Davis is back but I think they prefer him at PF. Chandler is an upgrade over Greg Stiemsma/Alexis Ajinca (although I see value in both of those guys). Trade may have made more sense if we could've done it while Davis was out. Not sure how the Pelicans view this offer; I like it on our end though.

I don't endorse that move at all. Why give up our best trade asset outside of Melo (Chandler) for another team's headache? It makes no sense to me. The only way I even consider that deal is if they take JR Smith, Raymond Felton and Andrea Bargnani. They could keep Pierre Jackson under those circumstances because that trio is definitely a tough pill to swallow.

I think Evans and P-Jax TOGETHER is a pretty HUGE upgrade for our backcourt. I make this deal.

Finestrg wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Finestrg wrote:Pierre Jackson is the PG I'd like to see us pursue off that team. He'd be a manageable/negligible salary and a guy that could help immediately and a future rebuilding club. Grab this guy and immediately sign him to a 2-yr guaranteed deal. I'd even go 3 yrs if he was open to it. Bridge the gap right through to his early Bird rights.. This guy's at least a great backup PG in the NBA and would be well worth that kind of money.

Evans' salary is horrible btw -- north of 10k per season over the next several seasons. On the books 2 yrs beyond Chandler...Not saying he's not a good young player; he is and I think he could help us. I'd be extremely nervous about adding more salary to this mess though... Move leaves a big gapping hole in the middle too -- would the plan be to have Aldrich & Tyler fill in there? I could be down with that -- this coach isn't though. At least Chandler is a proven double-digit rebounder -- we lose him and don't commit to Aldrich/Tyler, we almost guarantee losing the battle of the boards every night (not to mention run Amar'e/Martin right into the ground). Also, if we added Evans by subtracting Chandler, is that enough to keep Melo here? What's the follow-up plan after this move? Give Melo the moon and keep everything else intact? Is that wise at this point? Trade Melo & break the rest down, leaving Tyreke Evans as the sole guy to build around?

You've been spot on about Pierre Jackson. That's the move we need to make with the Hornets; not for Evans.

Try and get both Evans AND P-Jax in the one deal. That's the play here...Chandler/Murry/$3mm cash/a future 2nd rounder might be enough to get that done. I'd prefer to keep Aldrich/Tyler out of it but if either is needed to cement a deal, so be it...Not sure how New Orleans views Chandler at this juncture. Do they want an older vet like that? And how would Tyson feel about going to a team that may not be ready to really compete for a while? Not that he can do anything about it but I wouldn't want to send N.O. an unhappy camper..Then again, he's played there before and had success there. And Briggs is right -- they do need a C. Anthony Davis is back but I think they prefer him at PF. Chandler is an upgrade over Greg Stiemsma/Alexis Ajinca (although I see value in both of those guys). Trade may have made more sense if we could've done it while Davis was out. Not sure how the Pelicans view this offer; I like it on our end though.

I don't endorse that move at all. Why give up our best trade asset outside of Melo (Chandler) for another team's headache? It makes no sense to me. The only way I even consider that deal is if they take JR Smith, Raymond Felton and Andrea Bargnani. They could keep Pierre Jackson under those circumstances because that trio is definitely a tough pill to swallow.

I think Evans and P-Jax TOGETHER is a pretty HUGE upgrade for our backcourt. I make this deal.

It's not hard to make an upgrade over ****. The problem is that this deal is incredibly short-sighted and the type of move that we've done time and again for a decade and a half. We need to stop taking on other teams' mistakes.