Bargs is more than capable of holding down the C spot with the exception of a highly skilled big like Al Jeff who can score on anyone. Aside from that Bargs has shutdown a lot of top bigs this year and he's getting better at help and positioning on D and playing the PnR D. He's not perfect but he's MUCH better than day one on Defense. The win streak was a good example of that. People need to get over the bias they have against Bargs. He's not a high motor guy, which I know can be infuriating, but he's better than some give him credit for.

nixluva wrote:I'm not anti Tyson. I actually like him, but it was evident that this team could defend when the GUARDS did a better job of keeping their man in front. This is more important than having the C always have to clean up for the Guards playing matador. IMO what helped was a healthy Felton and much more of Murry and Shump. Murry has a very good defensive presence and with Shump they really hold down the perimeter at a good level.

Bargs is more than capable of holding down the C spot with the exception of a highly skilled big like Al Jeff who can score on anyone. Aside from that Bargs has shutdown a lot of top bigs this year and he's getting better at help and positioning on D and playing the PnR D. He's not perfect but he's MUCH better than day one on Defense. The win streak was a good example of that. People need to get over the bias they have against Bargs. He's not a high motor guy, which I know can be infuriating, but he's better than some give him credit for.

Everyone points to Bargs as the chink in the defensive armor. They continually blame him when he is switched onto quick, penetrating guards( Dragic, Walker, etc,). The problem is our very porous backcourt,and the chief culprit is Ray Felton. He makes very little effort to go over picks or to keep in front of his man. He is constantly loosing his man to a pick, a switch, or a matador-like move that leaves him in the dust. This creates the mismatches in the middle and down low. This also leaves the shooter free at the three point line, either for a free shoot or the mismatch that causes the foul.

Woodson has a dilemma. He needs the distribution that Felton sometimes gives, as well as his offensive outbursts. He is also reluctant to put Murry into the game, as his ball handling and decision making are not that of Felton's. These defensive lapses also occur with Beno and Prigs. Beno's turnovers are also quite unbearable, and usually at a crucial time.

If we are to have any success, either now or in the future, we need to address our point guard situation. When Woodson went to situational substitutions, defensive and offensive, we started to turn our fortunes around. This is our only choice until we can get someone capable of handling both ends of the job.

BigDaddyG wrote:Yeah, I don't see how playing KMart over a healthy Chandler is the answer. Chandler, when healthy, does everything at a slightly higher level than KMart. Chandler probably even shoots Js better than KMart now. I think the problem with Bargs is a little mental and a little coaching. I think Woody can do a better job of of calling plays for Bargnani in sweet his sweet spots. Heck, why not try a few a pick rolls with Bargani and Chandler/Kmart/STAT on the left side of the floor? I'm not expecting Don Nelson here, but Woody needs to be a bit more creative.

kmart has better ball movement, assists, court vision.

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 3h

Asked Vogel which lineup -- Bargnani at C or Tyson at C -- is tougher on his defense. He suggested the Bargnani matchup makes them work more
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Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 3h

Knicks are shooting 84.6% (22-of-26) at the rim w/ Melo-Bargnani at the 4/5 over the past 10 games. Getting higher % of looks from rim, too.

Chris Herring ‏@HerringWSJ 3h

Knicks have been dominant w/ Melo-Bargnani lineups in past 10 gms: 122 pts per 100 plays on O; allowing 87 pts per 100 plays on D in 30 mins