misterearl wrote:Line of The Day

maybe Felton can stay off the doughnuts long enough to give us a good 2nd half

14 assists from Felton was a bakers dozen

signature worthy!

fishmike wrote:our guards arent good enough, or consistent enough. When Felton is playing at a high level and we get some other scoring from the backcour yes.. we can certainly hang with the big boys, but how long does that happen?

misterearl wrote:Call My Number

Panos wrote:
In his best years, Jason Kidd dropped 10 dimes per game. So don't hold your breath.
I'll settle for 8 assists and a not continuing to call his own number when his shot is off.

That is the point.

Anyone who thinks Raymond Felton has morphed into John Stockton is drinking too much Ripple.

The best players shoot themselves out of slumps. You cannot expect Raymond to turn in his license after a few misses. Felton ain't that kinda player. He is a plugger. A battler. Stubborn. He will shoot until one falls, as he did last night when he was 1-6 from three and then hit a big shot.

He is what he is.

Then I don't want him. I want someone looking to set up others. Not another me-first player. We need a floor general. We have scorers in Melo, AB and Stat.

Last night was a good win....I still feel like teams have been taking us for granted. The Knicks seems to have turned it on so to speak. Once the scouting report are in we will be back to fighing for wins.

That's all good because Woodson will have the same time to adjust....he's got to trust Shump and Tim Hardaway at the shooting guard. He's got to basically split their minutes. Same with Felton and Murry. Same with Kmart and Amare....Bargs at center makes sense too. We have that mismatch and we need to exploit it.

Tyson Chandler needs to go....not cuz he sucks cuz he doesn't fit. We should get good value in return. The Knicks do not need him stealing 30 minutes right now. They can get his production from a lower level player at 15-20 minutes via trade or simply playing Jeremy Tyler

fitzfarm wrote:I think this team would be better if we could dump jr and Tyson can we try to package them together in a deal

I've always said....having JR and Melo on the same team is counter productive. Having them on the floor at the same time is even worse. Having JR on the team period can be catestrophic.

Having Tyson on the team is also counter productive, if we can not get consistent play from our PG....Or if we don't have a PG that knows how to get Chandler involved. What Tyson gives us on Defense, he takes it away on Offense.

Tyson would be a great role player to have, but unfortunately, he's being paid like a starter.

If you are going to build around Melo, then you have to scratch this defensive mentality NY is known for and understand it's about offense 1st. Surround Melo with scorers (Stat, Bargs, Felton, Shump, THj, etc..) and bring a consistent offensive strategy to each game.....Which will help out the defense, since it's very inconsistent. Similar to how the team was built before, with Novak and Copeland off the bench.

The problem is we have a dominant offensive team, with offensive skilled players that lack defensive IQ. Unfortunately, we have a coach thats known for his defense, but lacks offensive IQ. Tyson and JR doesn't fit this team under this coach. Woody doesn't know how to incorporate them, without disrupting offensive chemistry, due to his weakness on the offensive end.

fishmike wrote:

StarksEwing1 wrote:Look Yesterday was a great win but lets dial it down a little bit. We have a long way to go and a lot to prove. this team ahs the ability to beat good teams BUT they also have teh ability to get destroyed like they ahve been a lot this season.

the positive I really walk away with is Amare. Last year his bench contributions were huge. 14ppg off the bench shooting 57% on a team with low % volume shooters is big. He's starting to show some good signs of being an impact guy again. Im not holding out for 25/8 over 35 minutes anymore, but if he can shoot 55% off the bench for 20+ minutes a night that can push the Knicks to another level.

If we could do somethig to upgrade and solidify the backcourt we could put a run together like we saw last year. Shump seems to be looking like we hoped as a rookie and maybe Felton can stay off the doughnuts long enough to give us a good 2nd half

you see I am as big of an amare fan as there is.. but he can't do that for 20 minutes a night.. He just can't.. again, a couple of games and guys are ready to go overboard.. but you guys forget we are 13-22 for a reason... this just didn't happen overnight, lets see amare put together 10 games of consistent play.. then lets see if the knicks can do the same...

The key is how Woody directs the team from here on. How he uses his roster. I think he did something that many coaches have done and that is limit his rotation to about 8 players. He could do a better job of minutes distribution but a shorter rotation can help with chemistry and make sure his best players are on the floor more often. He has to get a handle on his lineups and making sure he puts his best lineups out there more often. This isn't a great team, but great coaching could get the most out of it and that's what has been missing from day one. There was always enough talent to win with on this team.

blkexec wrote:

nixluva wrote:The original Poster is right. I was arguing early in the season that this team which was largely the same CORE group as last year should not have been playing as poorly as it started off playing. This idea that this team had no chance and we should somehow accept the poor play because that was the best the team could play made no sense. Heck we all watched this team lose close games that they had a chance to win, but made dumb mistakes. Woody was the biggest culprit in all of this. He never had a clear vision of how he wanted this team to play from day one. He was lost and it hurt the team. Then you had the issues with health and mental issues with several players most prominently JR.

The key is how Woody directs the team from here on. How he uses his roster. I think he did something that many coaches have done and that is limit his rotation to about 8 players. He could do a better job of minutes distribution but a shorter rotation can help with chemistry and make sure his best players are on the floor more often. He has to get a handle on his lineups and making sure he puts his best lineups out there more often. This isn't a great team, but great coaching could get the most out of it and that's what has been missing from day one. There was always enough talent to win with on this team.

Injuries forced Woodson into a tighter rotation over the last few games. The challenge is what does Woodson do when everybody is healthy? Does he still play JR 30plus minutes, when Murry and THj deserve playing time? Does he run Chandler into the ground, eventhough Bargs and Stat are capable players at the center spot.....Woodson is and always was the key to us succeeding!

actually he is the key to us failing, i think. the roster was not that flawed to start the season. but woodson didn't have a clue. i am still not convinced that he gets it completely, but we will see.