MS wrote:Nope he's just a NY Knick. Low IQ low effort player.

Of course he is lazy. One game you grab double figure rebounds the next you grab 3,4. You see when Melo gives full effort he grabs 10 boards in his sleep.

The problem is that Felton, Bargs, Melo, Smith often come out and don't give full effort. The reason the Bulls are in every game is because they always play hard.

NardDogNation wrote:

MS wrote:Nope he's just a NY Knick. Low IQ low effort player.

Of course he is lazy. One game you grab double figure rebounds the next you grab 3,4. You see when Melo gives full effort he grabs 10 boards in his sleep.

The problem is that Felton, Bargs, Melo, Smith often come out and don't give full effort. The reason the Bulls are in every game is because they always play hard.

Melo doesn't deserve to be on that list. That dude grabs 9rpg, which is just short of 10. Clearly he's not dogging it if this is the baseline, especially while scoring in the fashion he scores and as a league leader.

Hard to be lazy when you're leading the league in minutes.

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holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:Bargs is a low motor guy who isn't motivated every night he steps on the floor...I think it might have a lot to do with where u are from as well...I remember when as a kid and I played ball, we wanted to beat everyone, anywhere at anytime in any weather...There was crazy competition in the city..You had to have an edge to ball in the city..I'm sure its the same way across the US...Who knows if that environment exist in Italy, where guys are just trying to kill each other on the court in every game...Bargs looks like he is going thru the motions every night..He isn't a starter in my opinion, he can be a really good player off the bench..

I agree for the most part. I think you're off with the Italy thing because things become problematic when you generalize an entire people/culture given how diverse things are in spite of these commonalities. Besides, Marco Bellineli (a favorite of mine) and Gallo are both Italian and are known for being aggressive, fiesty players. Bargnani just doesn't have that personality. In a way, he is this generations Vladimir Radmanovic (though I thought Vlad-Rad was better). Both guys were stretch big men that had the talent but zero drive to perform consistently. Just to beat a dead horse, it's why I thought we were dumb for giving up picks for this guy. Guys like Bargnani grow on trees (see Anthony Tolliver, Matt Bonner, Steve Novak, Linas Kleiza, Josh McRoberts present day versions of Rashard Lewis and Antawn Jamison, etc.), so there was no need to give up assets for him.

I disagree, Gallo is too passive a player, which is why I made the assertion...Belinelli is the only guy who goes after it...

Gallo was getting to the line almost as frequently as Melo, the season we traded him. When he came into the league, I'd agree with you but he's steadily gotten more assertive in driving to the lane and/or drawing contact.

Check the stats again, The Mayor had better numbers across the board in almost every category with much better defense...Gallo is 6-10...Effort!!!

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:Bargs is a low motor guy who isn't motivated every night he steps on the floor...I think it might have a lot to do with where u are from as well...I remember when as a kid and I played ball, we wanted to beat everyone, anywhere at anytime in any weather...There was crazy competition in the city..You had to have an edge to ball in the city..I'm sure its the same way across the US...Who knows if that environment exist in Italy, where guys are just trying to kill each other on the court in every game...Bargs looks like he is going thru the motions every night..He isn't a starter in my opinion, he can be a really good player off the bench..

I agree for the most part. I think you're off with the Italy thing because things become problematic when you generalize an entire people/culture given how diverse things are in spite of these commonalities. Besides, Marco Bellineli (a favorite of mine) and Gallo are both Italian and are known for being aggressive, fiesty players. Bargnani just doesn't have that personality. In a way, he is this generations Vladimir Radmanovic (though I thought Vlad-Rad was better). Both guys were stretch big men that had the talent but zero drive to perform consistently. Just to beat a dead horse, it's why I thought we were dumb for giving up picks for this guy. Guys like Bargnani grow on trees (see Anthony Tolliver, Matt Bonner, Steve Novak, Linas Kleiza, Josh McRoberts present day versions of Rashard Lewis and Antawn Jamison, etc.), so there was no need to give up assets for him.

I disagree, Gallo is too passive a player, which is why I made the assertion...Belinelli is the only guy who goes after it...

Gallo was getting to the line almost as frequently as Melo, the season we traded him. When he came into the league, I'd agree with you but he's steadily gotten more assertive in driving to the lane and/or drawing contact.

Check the stats again, The Mayor had better numbers across the board in almost every category with much better defense...Gallo is 6-10...Effort!!!

Gallo was averaging 6.0 free throws per game and Melo was averaging 8.3. I didn't relieve the spread was as bad as it was but Melo is considered to be elite in this regard, so being that close is impressive.

So no comments that the Mayor having better stats/better defense than the more talented Gallo??

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:Bargs is a low motor guy who isn't motivated every night he steps on the floor...I think it might have a lot to do with where u are from as well...I remember when as a kid and I played ball, we wanted to beat everyone, anywhere at anytime in any weather...There was crazy competition in the city..You had to have an edge to ball in the city..I'm sure its the same way across the US...Who knows if that environment exist in Italy, where guys are just trying to kill each other on the court in every game...Bargs looks like he is going thru the motions every night..He isn't a starter in my opinion, he can be a really good player off the bench..

I agree for the most part. I think you're off with the Italy thing because things become problematic when you generalize an entire people/culture given how diverse things are in spite of these commonalities. Besides, Marco Bellineli (a favorite of mine) and Gallo are both Italian and are known for being aggressive, fiesty players. Bargnani just doesn't have that personality. In a way, he is this generations Vladimir Radmanovic (though I thought Vlad-Rad was better). Both guys were stretch big men that had the talent but zero drive to perform consistently. Just to beat a dead horse, it's why I thought we were dumb for giving up picks for this guy. Guys like Bargnani grow on trees (see Anthony Tolliver, Matt Bonner, Steve Novak, Linas Kleiza, Josh McRoberts present day versions of Rashard Lewis and Antawn Jamison, etc.), so there was no need to give up assets for him.

I disagree, Gallo is too passive a player, which is why I made the assertion...Belinelli is the only guy who goes after it...

Gallo was getting to the line almost as frequently as Melo, the season we traded him. When he came into the league, I'd agree with you but he's steadily gotten more assertive in driving to the lane and/or drawing contact.

Check the stats again, The Mayor had better numbers across the board in almost every category with much better defense...Gallo is 6-10...Effort!!!

Gallo was averaging 6.0 free throws per game and Melo was averaging 8.3. I didn't realize the spread was as bad as it was but Melo is considered to be elite in this regard, so being that close is impressive.

So no comments that the Mayor having better stats/better defense than the more talented Gallo??

Why should there be? I still fail to see what it proves.

Showing a guy with lessor talent giving more effort resulting in better stats offensively and defensively proves nothing but Gallo getting to the line for 6 ft per game proves he has drive to perform consistently..Got it..

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

holfresh wrote:Bargs is a low motor guy who isn't motivated every night he steps on the floor...I think it might have a lot to do with where u are from as well...I remember when as a kid and I played ball, we wanted to beat everyone, anywhere at anytime in any weather...There was crazy competition in the city..You had to have an edge to ball in the city..I'm sure its the same way across the US...Who knows if that environment exist in Italy, where guys are just trying to kill each other on the court in every game...Bargs looks like he is going thru the motions every night..He isn't a starter in my opinion, he can be a really good player off the bench..

I agree for the most part. I think you're off with the Italy thing because things become problematic when you generalize an entire people/culture given how diverse things are in spite of these commonalities. Besides, Marco Bellineli (a favorite of mine) and Gallo are both Italian and are known for being aggressive, fiesty players. Bargnani just doesn't have that personality. In a way, he is this generations Vladimir Radmanovic (though I thought Vlad-Rad was better). Both guys were stretch big men that had the talent but zero drive to perform consistently. Just to beat a dead horse, it's why I thought we were dumb for giving up picks for this guy. Guys like Bargnani grow on trees (see Anthony Tolliver, Matt Bonner, Steve Novak, Linas Kleiza, Josh McRoberts present day versions of Rashard Lewis and Antawn Jamison, etc.), so there was no need to give up assets for him.

I disagree, Gallo is too passive a player, which is why I made the assertion...Belinelli is the only guy who goes after it...

Gallo was getting to the line almost as frequently as Melo, the season we traded him. When he came into the league, I'd agree with you but he's steadily gotten more assertive in driving to the lane and/or drawing contact.

Check the stats again, The Mayor had better numbers across the board in almost every category with much better defense...Gallo is 6-10...Effort!!!

Gallo was averaging 6.0 free throws per game and Melo was averaging 8.3. I didn't realize the spread was as bad as it was but Melo is considered to be elite in this regard, so being that close is impressive.

So no comments that the Mayor having better stats/better defense than the more talented Gallo??

Why should there be? I still fail to see what it proves.

Showing a guy with lessor talent giving more effort resulting in better stats offensively and defensively proves nothing but Gallo getting to the line for 6 ft per game proves he has drive to perform consistently..Got it..

Dude, come on. In an MDA system, the PG overwhelmingly dominates the ball. Long time with the ball, more opportunity to pad your stats. More time to pad your stats, more likely you'll have a better stat line. You know that. Besides, I don't think stats are always indicative of effort. Guys like Bruce Bowen of yesteryear would hardly have gawdy stats but all 30 teams would want a guy like that on their roster for his aggression.

Nalod wrote:Is he a star.
No.

Is he a 10-15mm per year player in this league? Yep.

What are the expectations? He was going to be a rebound machine? Clutch go to guy?
Sure he was the no. 1 pick, but thats on the Raps.

Is his brain aging at 28? JR. Smith with all his weed smoking must have the mind of a 60 year old by now.

Would you be surprised to find out that JR does have the mind of a 60 year old because of all that weed? LOL.