H1AND1 wrote:Wake me up when Shump averages 15/5/5 over a _large sample_ of minutes. Yes, it's nice to see him
Go off two games in a row but let's not annoint Woodson as Miyagi to Shump's Daniel-San until Shump
Shows he can do this over the course of a season.

CrushAlot wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Wake me up when Shump averages 15/5/5 over a _large sample_ of minutes. Yes, it's nice to see him
Go off two games in a row but let's not annoint Woodson as Miyagi to Shump's Daniel-San until Shump
Shows he can do this over the course of a season.

I agree but lets give credit to Woodson for sticking by Shump. Anytime he was interviewed during Shump's dark spell he said he had faith in him and that was why he kept starting him. Also, Shump was rumored to be moved but he hasn't been. No one knows what goes on behind the scenes but maybe Woodson has supported Shump staying. Woodson seemed to be very fond of Shump as a first/second year player. The transition to a vet/somewhat entitled player is hard for the coach and player. Personally, I think a lot of things were worked out when Chris Smith was waived.

I hope you're right, man. I want nothing more than for Shump to fulfill his potential.

H1AND1 wrote:Wake me up when Shump averages 15/5/5 over a _large sample_ of minutes. Yes, it's nice to see him
Go off two games in a row but let's not annoint Woodson as Miyagi to Shump's Daniel-San until Shump
Shows he can do this over the course of a season.

Anointed?

C'mon H1AND1, that is not the point and you know it. rather than consider that Head Coach is the cause of Shump's struggles, perhaps it runs contrary to popular complaining, to consider him a reason for his recent flourish, in the context of supporting the player, trying to find his groove, with some old school tough love.

Being quick on the trigger to blame the coach is so predictable.

Why not consider that over a course of a career, not just a season, some players require instruction?

misterearl wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Wake me up when Shump averages 15/5/5 over a _large sample_ of minutes. Yes, it's nice to see him
Go off two games in a row but let's not annoint Woodson as Miyagi to Shump's Daniel-San until Shump
Shows he can do this over the course of a season.

Anointed?

C'mon H1AND1, that is not the point and you know it. rather than consider that Head Coach is the cause of Shump's struggles, perhaps it runs contrary to popular complaining, to consider him a reason for his recent flourish, in the context of supporting the player, trying to find his groove, with some old school tough love.

Being quick on the trigger to blame the coach is so predictable.

Why not consider that over a course of a career, not just a season, some players require instruction?

Misterearl: Nowhere in my post did I state or imply that Woodson's coaching is the source of Shump's struggles. My only point was that _we cannot yet say_ whether Shump has finally found some form of consistency and/or taken a "step" after two games. And since it's too soon to say that, it follows that it is also too soon to begin to deduce what role if any Woodson had in Shump taking this "step". Das it!

misterearl wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

misterearl wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Wake me up when Shump averages 15/5/5 over a _large sample_ of minutes. Yes, it's nice to see him
Go off two games in a row but let's not annoint Woodson as Miyagi to Shump's Daniel-San until Shump
Shows he can do this over the course of a season.

Anointed?

C'mon H1AND1, that is not the point and you know it. rather than consider that Head Coach is the cause of Shump's struggles, perhaps it runs contrary to popular complaining, to consider him a reason for his recent flourish, in the context of supporting the player, trying to find his groove, with some old school tough love.

Being quick on the trigger to blame the coach is so predictable.

Why not consider that over a course of a career, not just a season, some players require instruction?

Misterearl: Nowhere in my post did I state or imply that Woodson's coaching is the source of Shump's struggles. My only point was that _we cannot yet say_ whether Shump has finally found some form of consistency and/or taken a "step" after two games. And since it's too soon to say that, it follows that it is also too soon to begin to deduce what role if any Woodson had in Shump taking this "step". Das it!

H1 - Well stated. With that explanation, I better understand your angle.

Shumpert has shown flashes, game 6 v Indiana was one, of being able to play in a team context while also being productive. Everyone needs a good running buddy and his game seems tailored better for Toure and Beno, than Felton.

translation = Iman would be valued much higher and develop much faster/more productive outside of NY, with a real system/coach/philosophy, and a development staff to continual look to improve his daily habits that he already has the work ethic down on....

That, and having a lead guard to run with.

misterearl wrote:“Even if everything’s going wrong, you can still run hard, chase somebody down, get a block, get a steal, get a loose ball, get an offensive rebound. Those are things you can do whether you’re having a good night or a bad night. And those are the things I try to keep consistent.”

- IMan Shumpert

This is the knock on Woodson as the master motivator. These activities come from attitude and personal motivation. If Woodie could bring this out, then it would be evident in ALL those under his charge (JR, Felton), instead of just Shump

RonRon wrote:

misterearl wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

misterearl wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:Wake me up when Shump averages 15/5/5 over a _large sample_ of minutes. Yes, it's nice to see him
Go off two games in a row but let's not annoint Woodson as Miyagi to Shump's Daniel-San until Shump
Shows he can do this over the course of a season.

Anointed?

C'mon H1AND1, that is not the point and you know it. rather than consider that Head Coach is the cause of Shump's struggles, perhaps it runs contrary to popular complaining, to consider him a reason for his recent flourish, in the context of supporting the player, trying to find his groove, with some old school tough love.

Being quick on the trigger to blame the coach is so predictable.

Why not consider that over a course of a career, not just a season, some players require instruction?

Misterearl: Nowhere in my post did I state or imply that Woodson's coaching is the source of Shump's struggles. My only point was that _we cannot yet say_ whether Shump has finally found some form of consistency and/or taken a "step" after two games. And since it's too soon to say that, it follows that it is also too soon to begin to deduce what role if any Woodson had in Shump taking this "step". Das it!

H1 - Well stated. With that explanation, I better understand your angle.

Shumpert has shown flashes, game 6 v Indiana was one, of being able to play in a team context while also being productive. Everyone needs a good running buddy and his game seems tailored better for Toure and Beno, than Felton.

translation = Iman would be valued much higher and develop much faster/more productive outside of NY, with a real system/coach/philosophy, and a development staff to continual look to improve his daily habits that he already has the work ethic down on....

Please say it ain't so. If he has really reached the point of a break through, why are we giving up on him now. It's not like a defensive stopper with an improving jump shot shows up every year. And no, that isn't THJ.

It seemed like Woodson sided with Dolan with Iman early this season but now realizes Tyson, Iman, and Kmart are the anchors of our DEF and always give 110%
Showing him some much deserved love with the sacrifices he has made for the better of the team

RonRon wrote:translation = Iman would be valued much higher and develop much faster/more productive outside of NY, with a real system/coach/philosophy, and a development staff to continual look to improve his daily habits that he already has the work ethic down on....

No he didn't become the Wesbrook/Sprewell (the ultimate reach package) that some thought he could have maxed out on with potential
but
Tony Allen is a fine player in the league, but in the end we still need a team

I really wish Knick's would have signed James Johnson who is playing on the Grizzlies now
after being recalled up as he produced well in the D League

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/gamelog/_/id/3999/james-johnson

we wasted the rest of our mini MLE for a broken MWP (while we could have locked James Johnson down on a 3 year team option deal with the money instead or even a 2 year vet min deal)
he has the combination of great size/length/decent athleticism, and would have been our best DEFENDING SF/PF, with multiplied effects on DEFENSE with some of the players on the Knicks
His long arms/length helps with steals/blocks/rebounds, DEFENSE 1v1 and TEAM DEF, and could initiate and/or finish on fast break points

SF/PF around 6-9 6-10, 250 lbs
He is very young and was drafted as a 1st round pick, with is weakness being SHOOTING
I haven't been seeing Hopla this year (not sure if he is still part of our development/shooting coach) but if he can develop that part of his game it would be like having a late 1st round/early 2nd talent
His versatility on DEF, he could defend 3-4 positions SG, SF, PF, and even some PGs on switches with his size/length

Like with any player in the league, playing with the right philosophy/system, with the right players that fits his skills, and having a GOOD FIT has great potenial

I believe if we had James Johnson on the team, instead of MWP, we would still be a 50% ball club, the Chris Smith signing just demoralized and stirred up more drama both on and off the court, multiplied by the losing and Melo opting out drama, as Chris isn't even talented enough to play in a backup role in the D League

Knicks lineups
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Murry

Iman

James Johnson (defending the opponents best player from Harden, Durant, to Lebron, Paul George)

Melo/Kmart or..... a forward or basically any position like JR Smith *the JR SMITH OF LAST YEAR END oF SEASON, putting James Johnson at PF*

Chandler/Kmart/AB * Bargnani is not a bad 1v1 defender at all, just much worse as a help defender especially at PF*