He doesn't have the luxury of having high IQ players take control of a game in the clutch, so it's crucial for him to manage the clock, and the rotation. We have lost too many games by lack of focus, paying attn to little details that win games.

Bargi, shump, melo, JR, those guys need to be manage in the clutch, there not bright players, just very talented.

make no mistake, were not losing games because of talent, were losing games because were not understanding how to win games.

Jr's shot was bad, beno's foul was even worse..

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Maybe the team decided to listen for a change, I think they defended the 3 ball much better in the 2nd half, defended the Pnr better (which is why the spurs where getting wide open 3's) and didn't switch as much other then AB getting caught on Parker far to much (especially when beno was in the game)

It's amazing how everybody MDA coaches with all end up using his system, Pop, Coach K, Woody, Gentry..

It's a system that gets you so many open looks Once you move the ball, we all know this.

We almost fell into the (goto melo in the last 2 minutes by any means) trap last night.

I'm 1 million pct positive that the KNICKS watch that Game tape of last yrs win against the spurs.

I don't understand that line of thinking...Look at what happened on 4 possessions when the game was in the balance..Guys get tight..Beno coughed it up twice..Murry made two ill advised passes to Amare..Melo gets u an opportunity to get a shot off... Guys get scared to make plays..Get the ball in the hands of a guy who isn't afraid to make a play...LeBron was afraid to make those plays in Cleveland...

melo is your best player so you obviously wanted in his hands, the problem is when he is double and triple he still forces it on most nights.

This almost came down to game 4 or 5 in the Indi series when shump made like 4 or 5 straight shots in the 4th qtr, and all of a sudden he became a non factor because they force the ball to melo who proceeded to cough up the ball twice, shot to bricks and we ended up losing.

Pop came out of a time out and called a play for the hottest guy on the team, not the best player.

Thats the difference between a good coach and a average coach.

Well yeah, we don't have an alternate good/consistent shooter like Belinelli to provide that option and they don't have that dominant scorer who can get you two points when you need it...When was the last time, other than last night, that a Knick player got hot other than Melo??

the last time a player was actually given the opportunity 2 take more than 2 shots in a row.

Every time a player gets hot, his first response is "My teammates were really looking for me out there" If your not getting touches, your not getting rhythm which leads to ISO's and bad shots.

If there's a good entry pass set up for melo, then im all for him getting it, but if you have to take more then 5 seconds to get him the ball, another 10 seconds for him to set up and wait for the double, 8 out of 10 times it will result in a force shot, or bad pass out of the double.

Woodson can't continue to live and die by melo in the 4th

But last year when JR was on, did JR not take and make winning baskets??

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Maybe the team decided to listen for a change, I think they defended the 3 ball much better in the 2nd half, defended the Pnr better (which is why the spurs where getting wide open 3's) and didn't switch as much other then AB getting caught on Parker far to much (especially when beno was in the game)

It's amazing how everybody MDA coaches with all end up using his system, Pop, Coach K, Woody, Gentry..

It's a system that gets you so many open looks Once you move the ball, we all know this.

We almost fell into the (goto melo in the last 2 minutes by any means) trap last night.

I'm 1 million pct positive that the KNICKS watch that Game tape of last yrs win against the spurs.

I don't understand that line of thinking...Look at what happened on 4 possessions when the game was in the balance..Guys get tight..Beno coughed it up twice..Murry made two ill advised passes to Amare..Melo gets u an opportunity to get a shot off... Guys get scared to make plays..Get the ball in the hands of a guy who isn't afraid to make a play...LeBron was afraid to make those plays in Cleveland...

melo is your best player so you obviously wanted in his hands, the problem is when he is double and triple he still forces it on most nights.

This almost came down to game 4 or 5 in the Indi series when shump made like 4 or 5 straight shots in the 4th qtr, and all of a sudden he became a non factor because they force the ball to melo who proceeded to cough up the ball twice, shot to bricks and we ended up losing.

Pop came out of a time out and called a play for the hottest guy on the team, not the best player.

Thats the difference between a good coach and a average coach.

Well yeah, we don't have an alternate good/consistent shooter like Belinelli to provide that option and they don't have that dominant scorer who can get you two points when you need it...When was the last time, other than last night, that a Knick player got hot other than Melo??

the last time a player was actually given the opportunity 2 take more than 2 shots in a row.

Every time a player gets hot, his first response is "My teammates were really looking for me out there" If your not getting touches, your not getting rhythm which leads to ISO's and bad shots.

If there's a good entry pass set up for melo, then im all for him getting it, but if you have to take more then 5 seconds to get him the ball, another 10 seconds for him to set up and wait for the double, 8 out of 10 times it will result in a force shot, or bad pass out of the double.

Woodson can't continue to live and die by melo in the 4th

But last year when JR was on, did JR not take and make winning baskets??

Thats MY point, we have options, and I would trust a lot of guys on this roster given their confidence is up.

Once your making shots, and getting opportunities and your able to capitalize, your energy is up. We can't get into a "melo is all or nothing in the clutch" mentality.

Woodson has to be more creative with his play calling and rotations. If the play is not there in the first seven seconds move the ball, set screens. Too many guys standing around, or guys playing each other to close..

Woodson to me is like Bargi, They go completely brain dead at times, and it's usually in the clutch.

Stop pulling guys off the floor for who got it going just for the sake of subbing. IMO when a player is hot, he should be the one to say i need a breather, no matter who you, especially if they were in a slump..

You still haven't answered who was that guy this year...

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:Maybe the team decided to listen for a change, I think they defended the 3 ball much better in the 2nd half, defended the Pnr better (which is why the spurs where getting wide open 3's) and didn't switch as much other then AB getting caught on Parker far to much (especially when beno was in the game)

It's amazing how everybody MDA coaches with all end up using his system, Pop, Coach K, Woody, Gentry..

It's a system that gets you so many open looks Once you move the ball, we all know this.

We almost fell into the (goto melo in the last 2 minutes by any means) trap last night.

I'm 1 million pct positive that the KNICKS watch that Game tape of last yrs win against the spurs.

I don't understand that line of thinking...Look at what happened on 4 possessions when the game was in the balance..Guys get tight..Beno coughed it up twice..Murry made two ill advised passes to Amare..Melo gets u an opportunity to get a shot off... Guys get scared to make plays..Get the ball in the hands of a guy who isn't afraid to make a play...LeBron was afraid to make those plays in Cleveland...

melo is your best player so you obviously wanted in his hands, the problem is when he is double and triple he still forces it on most nights.

This almost came down to game 4 or 5 in the Indi series when shump made like 4 or 5 straight shots in the 4th qtr, and all of a sudden he became a non factor because they force the ball to melo who proceeded to cough up the ball twice, shot to bricks and we ended up losing.

Pop came out of a time out and called a play for the hottest guy on the team, not the best player.

Thats the difference between a good coach and a average coach.

Well yeah, we don't have an alternate good/consistent shooter like Belinelli to provide that option and they don't have that dominant scorer who can get you two points when you need it...When was the last time, other than last night, that a Knick player got hot other than Melo??

the last time a player was actually given the opportunity 2 take more than 2 shots in a row.

Every time a player gets hot, his first response is "My teammates were really looking for me out there" If your not getting touches, your not getting rhythm which leads to ISO's and bad shots.

If there's a good entry pass set up for melo, then im all for him getting it, but if you have to take more then 5 seconds to get him the ball, another 10 seconds for him to set up and wait for the double, 8 out of 10 times it will result in a force shot, or bad pass out of the double.

Woodson can't continue to live and die by melo in the 4th

But last year when JR was on, did JR not take and make winning baskets??

Thats MY point, we have options, and I would trust a lot of guys on this roster given their confidence is up.

Once your making shots, and getting opportunities and your able to capitalize, your energy is up. We can't get into a "melo is all or nothing in the clutch" mentality.

Woodson has to be more creative with his play calling and rotations. If the play is not there in the first seven seconds move the ball, set screens. Too many guys standing around, or guys playing each other to close..

Woodson to me is like Bargi, They go completely brain dead at times, and it's usually in the clutch.

Stop pulling guys off the floor for who got it going just for the sake of subbing. IMO when a player is hot, he should be the one to say i need a breather, no matter who you, especially if they were in a slump..

You still haven't answered who was that guy this year...

You set guys up for good shots and you build confidence regardless of who it is

With all due respect, Woodson isn't coaching in a hypothetical world, it's the real world..You cannot name one guy Woodson can have confidence in outside of Melo but you claim he should do it anyway...OK..By the way, Shump was on last game and took the last shot, no one else has shown confidence all year to take that shot...

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:Last year you thought the Knicks should have beaten the Pacers and it was poor coaching...U couldn't admit Indy was a better team...U said Woody should have played Novak and Copeland, two guys who get zero playing time on their new teams..When does Woody get a fair shake??

When he consistently uses sound judgement. Woodson is not a bad coach, he just takes him too long to get it, it's like he's slow or something, and he's priorities are screwed up

Well he figured out long before u did that Novak and Copeland didn't deserve playing time..

http://www.mavsmoneyball.com/2014/1/5/5278622/rick-carlisle-support-knicks-head-coach-mike-woodson-new-york

Carlisle went out of his way to make a statement regarding Knicks head coach Mike Woodson and the rumors swirling about Woodson's job security.

Rick Carlisle is not a man who easily offers up compliments, especially after another disappointing loss at home. But in the middle of his post-game press conference after a 92-80 loss to the New York Knicks, Carlisle offered up unprompted support for opposing head coach Mike Woodson.

"If I could make one statement about Mike Woodson, I just marvel at the job he's doing with this team right now, given the circumstances, given all the ridiculous rumors about his job security and all the nonsense that's being stirred up in that media cesspool in New York City," he said.

The New York media has reported that Woodson is on the hot seat and that Jeff Van Gundy might be the next to replace him, which led to the absence of Gundy from the ESPN broadcast team for a Knicks game in December.

Woodson has fired back at the rumors that he might be in danger of losing his job.

"This is a man who is one of the top coaches in the league and a man of great integrity and substance," Carlisle continued. "He proved that tonight. They easily could have swept this roadtrip and this is supposedly a team that is dysfunctional and everything. He has got a great touch with that team and I got a lot of respect for the job that's he's doing."

The Knicks have now won two of their last three games, with the one loss coming to Houston 102-100 in the closing seconds.

Regardless of the outcome in New York, it's good to have support from as coach as respected as Rick Carlisle.

Again, Dude won 54 games last year...Fans want him fired for not getting to the ECF...Amazing.....

TeamBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:The brickhead is coaching his arse off with Beno as his starting PG!!! He got Iman back on track even while.
He is having to deal with JR smith as a living sitcom trying to reincarnate his inner "nate"!

They stayed in Dallas to practice which tells me there is a problem.

I'm no fan of Woodson and can admit that this team has been playing some spirited ball during that Texas trip. I also think he has to have something to do with it so I give him credit there. However, what does he have to do with how Shumps playing? I'm not saying he has nothing to do with it, rather I'm asking what have you seen that suggests Woodson is that one that got him back on track?

Also, Woodson can easily sit JR down so I don't know where he gets a pass with that.

JR helped him win 54 games last year..If Knicks are to take the next step, It won't be without JR and Shump..

I like the way the team has looked but that doesn't mean he was NEVER a huge part of the problem to begin with. There's ample proof that Woody was in fact a huge part of the early problems with this team, despite the injuries that did eventually hamper his efforts. Look, Woody just didn't do a good job getting this team ready for the season. He still has a chance to get his team back on track and it looks like he's doing just that. Along with the admittedly better play from Shump, Beno and Murry it's all coming together for the team and that's a good thing. If we can give Woody some credit for using the days off to get the team on track, then you can also fault him for how the team started the year.