Nalod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:Who is going going to cater to his isolation style if play. It looks like Melo can only thrive in a half court offense. You don't see him moving without the ball and you very rarely see him lead the fast break or for that matter be a wing on a fast break.

Apparently, you missed all of the George Karl yrs in Denver....

Yeah I did but I catch a lot of NYK years.

What about the Olympics, which Melo was exceedingly efficient in and at an uptempo pace?

Melo looks good when on the court with all stars!

Few dispute his talents, and some might be miss directed toward blaming him.

Lets be real, Melo needs a better team around him. Don't we all.

Maybe the same for Bargs!

We running with two liability positions. We are erratic at the 2 (JR and Shump) and while some are screeming about Beno, he is as good as most 3rd stringers. We rolling with 3rd string PG. Off the bench, our enforcers (metta and Kmart) are compromised by injury.

Now Im not saying we need all stars at these positions but a front court of Melo-Bargs-Tyson is pretty substantial in my view.
Hardaway Jr is a good rookie and in the rotation. Murry is developing and perhaps Tyler can give us 15 minutes of reasonable quality.

I doubt we are getting serious upgrades at the 1 or the 2 this season, or at the backup 4. A healthy felton was the PG for a 54 win team as was his backup. Get healthy and get shump and JR's heads on right and we could take the division again.

Of course Melo looks good on the olympic team! I'd look good on the olympic team!!

The knock on Melo by his haters is that he's an inefficient ball hog who hurts other peoples' game, as VMart has alluded on several occasions and tried doing so again in this thread. I brought up the Olympics because it's clear demonstration that Melo CAN play team ball and be highly efficient, which I don't think is a given for Olympic play (see the pre-LeBron James/Mike K and post 2000 teams). More importantly, other "stars" have struggled in that capacity in the past e.g. Deron Williams, Kevin Love, etc. Even in the league, elite players have struggled on star studded teams like Gary Payton did with the 2004 Lakers and like Ray Allen did following the emergence of Rajon Rondo. Anyway, the point of all of this is to show that Melo can be efficient with a capable supporting cast and can help, not hurt, their games. Bargs and Chandler doesn't fulfill that criteria for me; after all, there is a reason why both were made available to us. Hell, Bargs would've been amnestied had we not been dumb enough to trade for him.

Haters will hate. I think they have a point. The dude does not elevate those around him like some others do. Its his skill set.

MDA was the offensive coordinater in the 08 olympics and got huge props for his work. Melo and other did real well in the system Coach K wanted run.

Im not going to defend the haters or bash the homers. I know what I see on the court and the w/l column. Its all out there and transparent.

In fact, I don't see too many franchises winning with one star. Its about the other guys.

Melo doesn't create shots for his teammates but that doesn't mean he isn't a major piece toward building a champion. Yes, he has his flaws but EVERY player does. Had he not been so short-sighted and signed with us as a free agent, allowing us to trade for CP3 with the assets we used for him, I'm pretty sure there would be no question about Melo's viability as a star.

Nalod wrote:The logic is he would fit onto the clips with a trade. Doc Rivers is being paid big and Melo is a good fit in place of Griffith.

Thats really been the talk. As far as being a free agent teams can clear space.

Could he find his way to another team as a free agent that is not NY or L.A.? That's possible.

Logic is we'll pay him big.

except from the clippers.. that seems to be the talk in fantasyland... we have yet to hear the clippers even mentioning blake being available..

I find it bizarre that only in NY do we come up with trades and then make the rumors factual, yet the other teams have never made any mention of wanting our players or wanting to trade theirs....

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:Who is going going to cater to his isolation style if play. It looks like Melo can only thrive in a half court offense. You don't see him moving without the ball and you very rarely see him lead the fast break or for that matter be a wing on a fast break.

Apparently, you missed all of the George Karl yrs in Denver....

Yeah I did but I catch a lot of NYK years.

What about the Olympics, which Melo was exceedingly efficient in and at an uptempo pace?

Melo looks good when on the court with all stars!

Few dispute his talents, and some might be miss directed toward blaming him.

Lets be real, Melo needs a better team around him. Don't we all.

Maybe the same for Bargs!

We running with two liability positions. We are erratic at the 2 (JR and Shump) and while some are screeming about Beno, he is as good as most 3rd stringers. We rolling with 3rd string PG. Off the bench, our enforcers (metta and Kmart) are compromised by injury.

Now Im not saying we need all stars at these positions but a front court of Melo-Bargs-Tyson is pretty substantial in my view.
Hardaway Jr is a good rookie and in the rotation. Murry is developing and perhaps Tyler can give us 15 minutes of reasonable quality.

I doubt we are getting serious upgrades at the 1 or the 2 this season, or at the backup 4. A healthy felton was the PG for a 54 win team as was his backup. Get healthy and get shump and JR's heads on right and we could take the division again.

Of course Melo looks good on the olympic team! I'd look good on the olympic team!!

The knock on Melo by his haters is that he's an inefficient ball hog who hurts other peoples' game, as VMart has alluded on several occasions and tried doing so again in this thread. I brought up the Olympics because it's clear demonstration that Melo CAN play team ball and be highly efficient, which I don't think is a given for Olympic play (see the pre-LeBron James/Mike K and post 2000 teams). More importantly, other "stars" have struggled in that capacity in the past e.g. Deron Williams, Kevin Love, etc. Even in the league, elite players have struggled on star studded teams like Gary Payton did with the 2004 Lakers and like Ray Allen did following the emergence of Rajon Rondo. Anyway, the point of all of this is to show that Melo can be efficient with a capable supporting cast and can help, not hurt, their games. Bargs and Chandler doesn't fulfill that criteria for me; after all, there is a reason why both were made available to us. Hell, Bargs would've been amnestied had we not been dumb enough to trade for him.

Haters will hate. I think they have a point. The dude does not elevate those around him like some others do. Its his skill set.

MDA was the offensive coordinater in the 08 olympics and got huge props for his work. Melo and other did real well in the system Coach K wanted run.

Im not going to defend the haters or bash the homers. I know what I see on the court and the w/l column. Its all out there and transparent.

In fact, I don't see too many franchises winning with one star. Its about the other guys.

Melo doesn't create shots for his teammates but that doesn't mean he isn't a major piece toward building a champion. Yes, he has his flaws but EVERY player does. Had he not been so short-sighted and signed with us as a free agent, allowing us to trade for CP3 with the assets we used for him, I'm pretty sure there would be no question about Melo's viability as a star.

And it doesn't mean that he is.. carmelo wants to get paid max money. He is a one dimensional player.. when you do that it is very hard to build a championship. it is almost like having an injured amare on your team eating up space and giving very little... now I am not saying it is like having no player at all, but for what carmelo brings to the table, or what he doesn't you need to bring in a lot of other quality players, and that is hard to do with a one dimensional chucker sucking up a ton of payroll.

example. look at how ginobili was playing last night.. when you have him on the floor, it is like having a PG,SG and SF who can handle, shoot, pass, run offense and defend all in one. So you can for long stretches get away with less talent at the PG spot, or SG spot... kind of a similar effect guys like lebron and wade have on their teams...

carmelo does not do that, he is very flawed and the one thing he offers can be had at a lower price.. you can get gunners and scorers in this league for a lot less.. Teams can score points as a TEAM... every now and then you need that guy who can get you points in stretches.. well guys like jamal crawford, nick young, etc.. can do that and for a lot less than 25 mil a year...

Denver has had a very hard time building a winner around him, and we have the same problem in NY. .and it's not like both franchises haven't tried? at some point you have to look at the player, which some knick fans stubbornly refuse to do..

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:Who is going going to cater to his isolation style if play. It looks like Melo can only thrive in a half court offense. You don't see him moving without the ball and you very rarely see him lead the fast break or for that matter be a wing on a fast break.

Apparently, you missed all of the George Karl yrs in Denver....

Yeah I did but I catch a lot of NYK years.

What about the Olympics, which Melo was exceedingly efficient in and at an uptempo pace?

Melo looks good when on the court with all stars!

Few dispute his talents, and some might be miss directed toward blaming him.

Lets be real, Melo needs a better team around him. Don't we all.

Maybe the same for Bargs!

We running with two liability positions. We are erratic at the 2 (JR and Shump) and while some are screeming about Beno, he is as good as most 3rd stringers. We rolling with 3rd string PG. Off the bench, our enforcers (metta and Kmart) are compromised by injury.

Now Im not saying we need all stars at these positions but a front court of Melo-Bargs-Tyson is pretty substantial in my view.
Hardaway Jr is a good rookie and in the rotation. Murry is developing and perhaps Tyler can give us 15 minutes of reasonable quality.

I doubt we are getting serious upgrades at the 1 or the 2 this season, or at the backup 4. A healthy felton was the PG for a 54 win team as was his backup. Get healthy and get shump and JR's heads on right and we could take the division again.

Of course Melo looks good on the olympic team! I'd look good on the olympic team!!

The knock on Melo by his haters is that he's an inefficient ball hog who hurts other peoples' game, as VMart has alluded on several occasions and tried doing so again in this thread. I brought up the Olympics because it's clear demonstration that Melo CAN play team ball and be highly efficient, which I don't think is a given for Olympic play (see the pre-LeBron James/Mike K and post 2000 teams). More importantly, other "stars" have struggled in that capacity in the past e.g. Deron Williams, Kevin Love, etc. Even in the league, elite players have struggled on star studded teams like Gary Payton did with the 2004 Lakers and like Ray Allen did following the emergence of Rajon Rondo. Anyway, the point of all of this is to show that Melo can be efficient with a capable supporting cast and can help, not hurt, their games. Bargs and Chandler doesn't fulfill that criteria for me; after all, there is a reason why both were made available to us. Hell, Bargs would've been amnestied had we not been dumb enough to trade for him.

Haters will hate. I think they have a point. The dude does not elevate those around him like some others do. Its his skill set.

MDA was the offensive coordinater in the 08 olympics and got huge props for his work. Melo and other did real well in the system Coach K wanted run.

Im not going to defend the haters or bash the homers. I know what I see on the court and the w/l column. Its all out there and transparent.

In fact, I don't see too many franchises winning with one star. Its about the other guys.

Melo doesn't create shots for his teammates but that doesn't mean he isn't a major piece toward building a champion. Yes, he has his flaws but EVERY player does. Had he not been so short-sighted and signed with us as a free agent, allowing us to trade for CP3 with the assets we used for him, I'm pretty sure there would be no question about Melo's viability as a star.

And it doesn't mean that he is.. carmelo wants to get paid max money. He is a one dimensional player.. when you do that it is very hard to build a championship. it is almost like having an injured amare on your team eating up space and giving very little... now I am not saying it is like having no player at all, but for what carmelo brings to the table, or what he doesn't you need to bring in a lot of other quality players, and that is hard to do with a one dimensional chucker sucking up a ton of payroll.

example. look at how ginobili was playing last night.. when you have him on the floor, it is like having a PG,SG and SF who can handle, shoot, pass, run offense and defend all in one. So you can for long stretches get away with less talent at the PG spot, or SG spot... kind of a similar effect guys like lebron and wade have on their teams...

carmelo does not do that, he is very flawed and the one thing he offers can be had at a lower price.. you can get gunners and scorers in this league for a lot less.. Teams can score points as a TEAM... every now and then you need that guy who can get you points in stretches.. well guys like jamal crawford, nick young, etc.. can do that and for a lot less than 25 mil a year...

Denver has had a very hard time building a winner around him, and we have the same problem in NY. .and it's not like both franchises haven't tried? at some point you have to look at the player, which some knick fans stubbornly refuse to do..

That might all be true when you have an agenda. Historically though, there have been plenty of players throughout NBA History that fit Carmelo's modus operandi and have done just fine for themselves e.g. Amar'e Stoudemire. Amar'e was little outside of an scoring sevante and those Suns teams were a few bad calls away from making the Finals and winning it all. As I've said several times, Melo is a hell of a ball player but needs another capable ball handling star next to him and a supporting players that can defend and shoot. Raymond Felton and JR Smith, don't fit that description and I'm not sure that anyone is stupid enough to think they can. The fact is, the Knicks suck outside of Melo, so we shouldn't expect anything better than we're getting.

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:Who is going going to cater to his isolation style if play. It looks like Melo can only thrive in a half court offense. You don't see him moving without the ball and you very rarely see him lead the fast break or for that matter be a wing on a fast break.

Apparently, you missed all of the George Karl yrs in Denver....

Yeah I did but I catch a lot of NYK years.

What about the Olympics, which Melo was exceedingly efficient in and at an uptempo pace?

Melo looks good when on the court with all stars!

Few dispute his talents, and some might be miss directed toward blaming him.

Lets be real, Melo needs a better team around him. Don't we all.

Maybe the same for Bargs!

We running with two liability positions. We are erratic at the 2 (JR and Shump) and while some are screeming about Beno, he is as good as most 3rd stringers. We rolling with 3rd string PG. Off the bench, our enforcers (metta and Kmart) are compromised by injury.

Now Im not saying we need all stars at these positions but a front court of Melo-Bargs-Tyson is pretty substantial in my view.
Hardaway Jr is a good rookie and in the rotation. Murry is developing and perhaps Tyler can give us 15 minutes of reasonable quality.

I doubt we are getting serious upgrades at the 1 or the 2 this season, or at the backup 4. A healthy felton was the PG for a 54 win team as was his backup. Get healthy and get shump and JR's heads on right and we could take the division again.

Of course Melo looks good on the olympic team! I'd look good on the olympic team!!

The knock on Melo by his haters is that he's an inefficient ball hog who hurts other peoples' game, as VMart has alluded on several occasions and tried doing so again in this thread. I brought up the Olympics because it's clear demonstration that Melo CAN play team ball and be highly efficient, which I don't think is a given for Olympic play (see the pre-LeBron James/Mike K and post 2000 teams). More importantly, other "stars" have struggled in that capacity in the past e.g. Deron Williams, Kevin Love, etc. Even in the league, elite players have struggled on star studded teams like Gary Payton did with the 2004 Lakers and like Ray Allen did following the emergence of Rajon Rondo. Anyway, the point of all of this is to show that Melo can be efficient with a capable supporting cast and can help, not hurt, their games. Bargs and Chandler doesn't fulfill that criteria for me; after all, there is a reason why both were made available to us. Hell, Bargs would've been amnestied had we not been dumb enough to trade for him.

Haters will hate. I think they have a point. The dude does not elevate those around him like some others do. Its his skill set.

MDA was the offensive coordinater in the 08 olympics and got huge props for his work. Melo and other did real well in the system Coach K wanted run.

Im not going to defend the haters or bash the homers. I know what I see on the court and the w/l column. Its all out there and transparent.

In fact, I don't see too many franchises winning with one star. Its about the other guys.

Melo doesn't create shots for his teammates but that doesn't mean he isn't a major piece toward building a champion. Yes, he has his flaws but EVERY player does. Had he not been so short-sighted and signed with us as a free agent, allowing us to trade for CP3 with the assets we used for him, I'm pretty sure there would be no question about Melo's viability as a star.

And it doesn't mean that he is.. carmelo wants to get paid max money. He is a one dimensional player.. when you do that it is very hard to build a championship. it is almost like having an injured amare on your team eating up space and giving very little... now I am not saying it is like having no player at all, but for what carmelo brings to the table, or what he doesn't you need to bring in a lot of other quality players, and that is hard to do with a one dimensional chucker sucking up a ton of payroll.

example. look at how ginobili was playing last night.. when you have him on the floor, it is like having a PG,SG and SF who can handle, shoot, pass, run offense and defend all in one. So you can for long stretches get away with less talent at the PG spot, or SG spot... kind of a similar effect guys like lebron and wade have on their teams...

carmelo does not do that, he is very flawed and the one thing he offers can be had at a lower price.. you can get gunners and scorers in this league for a lot less.. Teams can score points as a TEAM... every now and then you need that guy who can get you points in stretches.. well guys like jamal crawford, nick young, etc.. can do that and for a lot less than 25 mil a year...

Denver has had a very hard time building a winner around him, and we have the same problem in NY. .and it's not like both franchises haven't tried? at some point you have to look at the player, which some knick fans stubbornly refuse to do..

Melo played great last night. 27, 12 and 4 isn't one dimensional and the ball was moving.

AMEN They don't post when we win. They only come out trolling when we loose.

Papabear wrote:

Nalod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Nalod wrote:

NardDogNation wrote:

Vmart wrote:

Uptown wrote:

Vmart wrote:Who is going going to cater to his isolation style if play. It looks like Melo can only thrive in a half court offense. You don't see him moving without the ball and you very rarely see him lead the fast break or for that matter be a wing on a fast break.

Apparently, you missed all of the George Karl yrs in Denver....

Yeah I did but I catch a lot of NYK years.

What about the Olympics, which Melo was exceedingly efficient in and at an uptempo pace?

Melo looks good when on the court with all stars!

Few dispute his talents, and some might be miss directed toward blaming him.

Lets be real, Melo needs a better team around him. Don't we all.

Maybe the same for Bargs!

We running with two liability positions. We are erratic at the 2 (JR and Shump) and while some are screeming about Beno, he is as good as most 3rd stringers. We rolling with 3rd string PG. Off the bench, our enforcers (metta and Kmart) are compromised by injury.

Now Im not saying we need all stars at these positions but a front court of Melo-Bargs-Tyson is pretty substantial in my view.
Hardaway Jr is a good rookie and in the rotation. Murry is developing and perhaps Tyler can give us 15 minutes of reasonable quality.

I doubt we are getting serious upgrades at the 1 or the 2 this season, or at the backup 4. A healthy felton was the PG for a 54 win team as was his backup. Get healthy and get shump and JR's heads on right and we could take the division again.

Of course Melo looks good on the olympic team! I'd look good on the olympic team!!

The knock on Melo by his haters is that he's an inefficient ball hog who hurts other peoples' game, as VMart has alluded on several occasions and tried doing so again in this thread. I brought up the Olympics because it's clear demonstration that Melo CAN play team ball and be highly efficient, which I don't think is a given for Olympic play (see the pre-LeBron James/Mike K and post 2000 teams). More importantly, other "stars" have struggled in that capacity in the past e.g. Deron Williams, Kevin Love, etc. Even in the league, elite players have struggled on star studded teams like Gary Payton did with the 2004 Lakers and like Ray Allen did following the emergence of Rajon Rondo. Anyway, the point of all of this is to show that Melo can be efficient with a capable supporting cast and can help, not hurt, their games. Bargs and Chandler doesn't fulfill that criteria for me; after all, there is a reason why both were made available to us. Hell, Bargs would've been amnestied had we not been dumb enough to trade for him.

Haters will hate. I think they have a point. The dude does not elevate those around him like some others do. Its his skill set.

MDA was the offensive coordinater in the 08 olympics and got huge props for his work. Melo and other did real well in the system Coach K wanted run.

Im not going to defend the haters or bash the homers. I know what I see on the court and the w/l column. Its all out there and transparent.

In fact, I don't see too many franchises winning with one star. Its about the other guys.

Papabear Says

The haters think if Melo goes someone will come in here and we will be a good team. Now remember who they are putting thier faith in. Dolan!! All the haters think Dolan will do the right thing. Look the team of today in order to win the championship they will need 3 all stars and 2 need to be superstars. Melo is playing with 4 guys who shouldn't even starters. Sure Melo forced the trade and got his money and he knew the consequences he would be bearing. I'm quite sure Melo approved in advance every trade we made. It would be bad for him to just walk out on us after he was part of the problem in order to get him. We need a pure shooter and defender to go with Melo. I doubt Melo runs out on us. He will forgo some of his money if we can get a star here.

So who instead of Dolan is your faith in?