NYKBocker wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:Linsanity??..We won 54 games last year and 13 in a row..

We won 54 because the 3 headed PG monster did an ok job. It was a 1 year thing. Kidd has moved on. Pablo got older. Felton showed his true blubber.

Curse of the Dragon. Unless we get lucky and get another very good PG then we are going to see this kind of play for years to come. We don't even have our own ****ing pick this year which is going to be in the lottery. Yeah, I know stating the obvious.

Instead of Lin we get the Knucklehead brothers. Yippee.

better then an OK job. Kidd's play early in the season was vintage Kidd. He set the tone and set a style of play. we have not had that this year. At all, and everyone on this roster looks worse because of it.

I brought up Linsanity because Tyson Chandler looked good offensively. Jared Jeffries was getting buckets and looked like a real NBA player. Good guard play elevated the whole team. Bad guard play can bring down a whole team. We are seeing it now and we have need it before on this same team very recently pre-linsanity.

I undertsand that MSG didnt want to overpay for Lowry, but they were so worried about overpaying that they didnt consider their team needs.

I honestly believe that if Lin was still here last year, we would have gone a lot further.

We know u think Lin was the second coming but let's not guess, How far did Lin take Houston last year???..First round exit..But some how Knicks would have been in the ECF...

Clean wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:Linsanity??..We won 54 games last year and 13 in a row..

We won 54 because the 3 headed PG monster did an ok job. It was a 1 year thing. Kidd has moved on. Pablo got older. Felton showed his true blubber.

Curse of the Dragon. Unless we get lucky and get another very good PG then we are going to see this kind of play for years to come. We don't even have our own ****ing pick this year which is going to be in the lottery. Yeah, I know stating the obvious.

Instead of Lin we get the Knucklehead brothers. Yippee.

better then an OK job. Kidd's play early in the season was vintage Kidd. He set the tone and set a style of play. we have not had that this year. At all, and everyone on this roster looks worse because of it.

I brought up Linsanity because Tyson Chandler looked good offensively. Jared Jeffries was getting buckets and looked like a real NBA player. Good guard play elevated the whole team. Bad guard play can bring down a whole team. We are seeing it now and we have need it before on this same team very recently pre-linsanity.

I undertsand that MSG didnt want to overpay for Lowry, but they were so worried about overpaying that they didnt consider their team needs.

I honestly believe that if Lin was still here last year, we would have gone a lot further.

We know u think Lin was the second coming but let's not guess, How far did Lin take Houston last year???..First round exit..But some how Knicks would have been in the ECF...

I don't think he means Lin is "the second coming". I think he means that Lin is exactly what we need and having him would improve our team by more than his skill level alone would suggest. For example, You have a team of all drive and kick players. You add 2 dead eye shooters to that team and the team plays better than the shooters skill level would suggest because of the change in team dynamics.

If we had guys who could shoot on the wings we would be a better team without a PG upgrade (even though we clearly need one). Shump and JR are currently making it impossible to space the floor. Shump is basically unguarded. He was being given wide open shots down the stretch in Friday night's meltdown, highlighted by a brick on a open foul line jumper. Not sure why people always point to Lin as the guy. The Knicks need a guy who can play a lil defense at the point and penatrate. Lin only does one of those things well and is TO prone.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Clean wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:Linsanity??..We won 54 games last year and 13 in a row..

We won 54 because the 3 headed PG monster did an ok job. It was a 1 year thing. Kidd has moved on. Pablo got older. Felton showed his true blubber.

Curse of the Dragon. Unless we get lucky and get another very good PG then we are going to see this kind of play for years to come. We don't even have our own ****ing pick this year which is going to be in the lottery. Yeah, I know stating the obvious.

Instead of Lin we get the Knucklehead brothers. Yippee.

better then an OK job. Kidd's play early in the season was vintage Kidd. He set the tone and set a style of play. we have not had that this year. At all, and everyone on this roster looks worse because of it.

I brought up Linsanity because Tyson Chandler looked good offensively. Jared Jeffries was getting buckets and looked like a real NBA player. Good guard play elevated the whole team. Bad guard play can bring down a whole team. We are seeing it now and we have need it before on this same team very recently pre-linsanity.

I undertsand that MSG didnt want to overpay for Lowry, but they were so worried about overpaying that they didnt consider their team needs.

I honestly believe that if Lin was still here last year, we would have gone a lot further.

We know u think Lin was the second coming but let's not guess, How far did Lin take Houston last year???..First round exit..But some how Knicks would have been in the ECF...

I don't think he means Lin is "the second coming". I think he means that Lin is exactly what we need and having him would improve our team by more than his skill level alone would suggest. For example, You have a team of all drive and kick players. You add 2 dead eye shooters to that team and the team plays better than the shooters skill level would suggest because of the change in team dynamics.

If we had guys who could shoot on the wings we would be a better team without a PG upgrade (even though we clearly need one). Shump and JR are currently making it impossible to space the floor. Shump is basically unguarded. He was being given wide open shots down the stretch in Friday night's meltdown, highlighted by a brick on a open foul line jumper. Not sure why people always point to Lin as the guy. The Knicks need a guy who can play a lil defense at the point and penatrate. Lin only does one of those things well and is TO prone.

jrodmc wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:Linsanity??..We won 54 games last year and 13 in a row..

We won 54 because the 3 headed PG monster did an ok job. It was a 1 year thing. Kidd has moved on. Pablo got older. Felton showed his true blubber.

Curse of the Dragon. Unless we get lucky and get another very good PG then we are going to see this kind of play for years to come. We don't even have our own ****ing pick this year which is going to be in the lottery. Yeah, I know stating the obvious.

Instead of Lin we get the Knucklehead brothers. Yippee.

better then an OK job. Kidd's play early in the season was vintage Kidd. He set the tone and set a style of play. we have not had that this year. At all, and everyone on this roster looks worse because of it.

I brought up Linsanity because Tyson Chandler looked good offensively. Jared Jeffries was getting buckets and looked like a real NBA player. Good guard play elevated the whole team. Bad guard play can bring down a whole team. We are seeing it now and we have need it before on this same team very recently pre-linsanity.

I undertsand that MSG didnt want to overpay for Lowry, but they were so worried about overpaying that they didnt consider their team needs.

Kidd went down and we were still playing great basketball...Second half of the year, Kidd imploded and we went on to win 13 in a row...Common denominator???, Felton!!..Jason Kidd said Felton was the engine...MVP against Boston in the playoffs...When Felton wasn't hurt, we played good basketball, we won...Felton has been hurt since preseason this year..We suck without him at 100% getting in the lane, period...

Kidd as savior is the common chant of Melohaters everywhere. Kidd, Rasheed, geez, I even read about Camby leading us through the playoffs without even playing.

Lin...in...Houston...can't...compete...with...Patrick...Beverly...

I feel what you're saying, it didn't seem like Kidd made that much of a difference to change a 9-21 team into a 54 win team. Sure he was good the first part of the season but his contributions came much more in the form of leadership and demeanor than on-court production. I think people look at Kidd as the guy last year because they have a hard time finding another reaaon for the huge dropoff, as most of the players are the same. Kidd's absence is pretty much the biggest change so people inflate him up to be more than he was as a means to somehow justify how a team that played so well last year could fall so far, so quickly. I don't have an answer so I can't really blame people for thinking that way, leadership is definitely an issue this year.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Clean wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:Linsanity??..We won 54 games last year and 13 in a row..

We won 54 because the 3 headed PG monster did an ok job. It was a 1 year thing. Kidd has moved on. Pablo got older. Felton showed his true blubber.

Curse of the Dragon. Unless we get lucky and get another very good PG then we are going to see this kind of play for years to come. We don't even have our own ****ing pick this year which is going to be in the lottery. Yeah, I know stating the obvious.

Instead of Lin we get the Knucklehead brothers. Yippee.

better then an OK job. Kidd's play early in the season was vintage Kidd. He set the tone and set a style of play. we have not had that this year. At all, and everyone on this roster looks worse because of it.

I brought up Linsanity because Tyson Chandler looked good offensively. Jared Jeffries was getting buckets and looked like a real NBA player. Good guard play elevated the whole team. Bad guard play can bring down a whole team. We are seeing it now and we have need it before on this same team very recently pre-linsanity.

I undertsand that MSG didnt want to overpay for Lowry, but they were so worried about overpaying that they didnt consider their team needs.

I honestly believe that if Lin was still here last year, we would have gone a lot further.

We know u think Lin was the second coming but let's not guess, How far did Lin take Houston last year???..First round exit..But some how Knicks would have been in the ECF...

I don't think he means Lin is "the second coming". I think he means that Lin is exactly what we need and having him would improve our team by more than his skill level alone would suggest. For example, You have a team of all drive and kick players. You add 2 dead eye shooters to that team and the team plays better than the shooters skill level would suggest because of the change in team dynamics.

If we had guys who could shoot on the wings we would be a better team without a PG upgrade (even though we clearly need one). Shump and JR are currently making it impossible to space the floor. Shump is basically unguarded. He was being given wide open shots down the stretch in Friday night's meltdown, highlighted by a brick on a open foul line jumper. Not sure why people always point to Lin as the guy. The Knicks need a guy who can play a lil defense at the point and penatrate. Lin only does one of those things well and is TO prone.

Wrong. Lin is not turning the ball over this year. Remember he was virtually a rookie during Linsanity

gunsnewing wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

Clean wrote:

holfresh wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:Linsanity??..We won 54 games last year and 13 in a row..

We won 54 because the 3 headed PG monster did an ok job. It was a 1 year thing. Kidd has moved on. Pablo got older. Felton showed his true blubber.

Curse of the Dragon. Unless we get lucky and get another very good PG then we are going to see this kind of play for years to come. We don't even have our own ****ing pick this year which is going to be in the lottery. Yeah, I know stating the obvious.

Instead of Lin we get the Knucklehead brothers. Yippee.

better then an OK job. Kidd's play early in the season was vintage Kidd. He set the tone and set a style of play. we have not had that this year. At all, and everyone on this roster looks worse because of it.

I brought up Linsanity because Tyson Chandler looked good offensively. Jared Jeffries was getting buckets and looked like a real NBA player. Good guard play elevated the whole team. Bad guard play can bring down a whole team. We are seeing it now and we have need it before on this same team very recently pre-linsanity.

I undertsand that MSG didnt want to overpay for Lowry, but they were so worried about overpaying that they didnt consider their team needs.

I honestly believe that if Lin was still here last year, we would have gone a lot further.

We know u think Lin was the second coming but let's not guess, How far did Lin take Houston last year???..First round exit..But some how Knicks would have been in the ECF...

I don't think he means Lin is "the second coming". I think he means that Lin is exactly what we need and having him would improve our team by more than his skill level alone would suggest. For example, You have a team of all drive and kick players. You add 2 dead eye shooters to that team and the team plays better than the shooters skill level would suggest because of the change in team dynamics.

If we had guys who could shoot on the wings we would be a better team without a PG upgrade (even though we clearly need one). Shump and JR are currently making it impossible to space the floor. Shump is basically unguarded. He was being given wide open shots down the stretch in Friday night's meltdown, highlighted by a brick on a open foul line jumper. Not sure why people always point to Lin as the guy. The Knicks need a guy who can play a lil defense at the point and penatrate. Lin only does one of those things well and is TO prone.

Wrong. Lin is not turning the ball over this year. Remember he was virtually a rookie during Linsanity

Saying it's wrong is a bit of a stretch given that his TO per game put him in the top 30 or so in league and he isn't dominating the ball or logging major minutes. Guy is not the difference maker that people often portray him to be on this board.

Uptown wrote:

djsunyc wrote:knicks traded so many #1 picks that one more wouldn't have hurt - especially for a very good pg in lowry.

but that ship has sailed. everything dolan says or does is mush.

they should talk to detroit and ask them for a amare + shumpert for jennings + josh smith deal.

And you guys don't think he's being the decision maker for Dolan to duplicate the failure from behind the scenes ????

Thats the same mentality that the Knicks had during the Isiah era...one more 1st round pick wont hurt. At some point, it has to stop.....

And you guys don't think he's being the decision maker for Dolan to duplicate the failure from behind the scenes ????

jrodmc wrote:

holfresh wrote:

fishmike wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:

holfresh wrote:Linsanity??..We won 54 games last year and 13 in a row..

We won 54 because the 3 headed PG monster did an ok job. It was a 1 year thing. Kidd has moved on. Pablo got older. Felton showed his true blubber.

Curse of the Dragon. Unless we get lucky and get another very good PG then we are going to see this kind of play for years to come. We don't even have our own ****ing pick this year which is going to be in the lottery. Yeah, I know stating the obvious.

Instead of Lin we get the Knucklehead brothers. Yippee.

better then an OK job. Kidd's play early in the season was vintage Kidd. He set the tone and set a style of play. we have not had that this year. At all, and everyone on this roster looks worse because of it.

I brought up Linsanity because Tyson Chandler looked good offensively. Jared Jeffries was getting buckets and looked like a real NBA player. Good guard play elevated the whole team. Bad guard play can bring down a whole team. We are seeing it now and we have need it before on this same team very recently pre-linsanity.

I undertsand that MSG didnt want to overpay for Lowry, but they were so worried about overpaying that they didnt consider their team needs.

Kidd went down and we were still playing great basketball...Second half of the year, Kidd imploded and we went on to win 13 in a row...Common denominator???, Felton!!..Jason Kidd said Felton was the engine...MVP against Boston in the playoffs...When Felton wasn't hurt, we played good basketball, we won...Felton has been hurt since preseason this year..We suck without him at 100% getting in the lane, period...

Kidd as savior is the common chant of Melohaters everywhere. Kidd, Rasheed, geez, I even read about Camby leading us through the playoffs without even playing.

Lin...in...Houston...can't...compete...with...Patrick...Beverly...

Here's what I don't get whenever people defend letting Lin walk. Even if you take the view that Lin was at BEST a serviceable backup PG (his numbers certainly bear that out), we got him without giving up any assets, won his bird rights via an arbitration hearing THEN LET HIM WALK FOR NOTHING when our not even close biggest need is serviceable guards! How ax anyone seriously defend the Knicks decision making here? And screw the cap, this is the Dolan Knicks who spent billions marching out garbage teams for a decade.