and what about:

In July 2011, Pritchard joined the Indiana Pacers to become their Director of Player Personnel.[13] Later on, he was promoted to general manager in June 2012 to replace David Morway.[14]

So you have a continued process where Simon is the owner, and in some fashion Donnie, Larry and Kevin have been involved in varied capacities.

You want to put signitures on players to the Gm's and evaluate? I think you'd have to go line by line via career and put yourself not in hindsight but what were the choices at the very moment to decide? What was the cap situation by the team, and league rules, who was available at the draft, and what were the choices.

Like Lance stephanson, the guy in NY given his circumstances might have been toxic to him. Indy should get the credit for drafting him, but more important developing him! Who gets that cred? Larry was burnt out and THEN took a year off. Donnie was where? Not on the floor coaching. Prichard was vital im sure. Take a second round pick and develop as an asset for both play, and as a trade chip if need be. Its not who drafts, its how the player is developed. That is on the organization who pays for them, hires the coaches, and sees a process.

Combined, these guy have been making decisons. Take a step back, look at the big picture of Donnie, Larry, and now Kevin. The owner, etc.
You want to focus on Mahini? Your missing a lot.

Nalod wrote:Why do you label "larrys guys" vs. "Donnies guys"?

and what about:

In July 2011, Pritchard joined the Indiana Pacers to become their Director of Player Personnel.[13] Later on, he was promoted to general manager in June 2012 to replace David Morway.[14]

So you have a continued process where Simon is the owner, and in some fashion Donnie, Larry and Kevin have been involved in varied capacities.

You want to put signitures on players to the Gm's and evaluate? I think you'd have to go line by line via career and put yourself not in hindsight but what were the choices at the very moment to decide? What was the cap situation by the team, and league rules, who was available at the draft, and what were the choices.

Like Lance stephanson, the guy in NY given his circumstances might have been toxic to him. Indy should get the credit for drafting him, but more important developing him! Who gets that cred? Larry was burnt out and THEN took a year off. Donnie was where? Not on the floor coaching. Prichard was vital im sure. Take a second round pick and develop as an asset for both play, and as a trade chip if need be. Its not who drafts, its how the player is developed. That is on the organization who pays for them, hires the coaches, and sees a process.

Combined, these guy have been making decisons. Take a step back, look at the big picture of Donnie, Larry, and now Kevin. The owner, etc.
You want to focus on Mahini? Your missing a lot.

Nalod wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:Why do you label "larrys guys" vs. "Donnies guys"?

and what about:

In July 2011, Pritchard joined the Indiana Pacers to become their Director of Player Personnel.[13] Later on, he was promoted to general manager in June 2012 to replace David Morway.[14]

So you have a continued process where Simon is the owner, and in some fashion Donnie, Larry and Kevin have been involved in varied capacities.

You want to put signitures on players to the Gm's and evaluate? I think you'd have to go line by line via career and put yourself not in hindsight but what were the choices at the very moment to decide? What was the cap situation by the team, and league rules, who was available at the draft, and what were the choices.

Like Lance stephanson, the guy in NY given his circumstances might have been toxic to him. Indy should get the credit for drafting him, but more important developing him! Who gets that cred? Larry was burnt out and THEN took a year off. Donnie was where? Not on the floor coaching. Prichard was vital im sure. Take a second round pick and develop as an asset for both play, and as a trade chip if need be. Its not who drafts, its how the player is developed. That is on the organization who pays for them, hires the coaches, and sees a process.

Combined, these guy have been making decisons. Take a step back, look at the big picture of Donnie, Larry, and now Kevin. The owner, etc.
You want to focus on Mahini? Your missing a lot.

The roster was built while Walsh was in NY. So yeah they are Larry's guys. Walsh brought in DJ, Mahini, Green and Plumlee during Bird's year away. Those guys are gone. You are going way too deep here. Larry was running things when this current team was built. Credit the owner and the organization. Credit Larry. Don't credit the guy that was working for another eastern conference team while all of this happened.

Kevin Pritchard and Donnie while larry was gone. And credit goes to develping the players NOT TRADED. Thats continuous organizational process.

Your looking for signitures. Did Donnie or anyone in Indy during the Donnie Walsh influence era beit Donne, Larry, or Kevin ever dump massive salary to sign a defective type like Amare? But the knicks have made similar moves with Dice and Marbury! Thats three in 15 years. In Donnie's career has he ever made a trade like the one for Melo?

Im curious, why are you so hot to blame Donnie or not give him credit for things in NY or Indy?

IM giving credit to Herb Simon! He hires the guys. Even if Larry left, Donnie and kevin kept the process in tact. WHo was there with Larry? Donnie. Before Larry. Donnie. Who was there after Larry. Donnie and Kevin.

Larry and Kevin did a great job. They kept the process going. Why? Herb owns the team.

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Nalod wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

Nalod wrote:Why do you label "larrys guys" vs. "Donnies guys"?

and what about:

In July 2011, Pritchard joined the Indiana Pacers to become their Director of Player Personnel.[13] Later on, he was promoted to general manager in June 2012 to replace David Morway.[14]

So you have a continued process where Simon is the owner, and in some fashion Donnie, Larry and Kevin have been involved in varied capacities.

You want to put signitures on players to the Gm's and evaluate? I think you'd have to go line by line via career and put yourself not in hindsight but what were the choices at the very moment to decide? What was the cap situation by the team, and league rules, who was available at the draft, and what were the choices.

Like Lance stephanson, the guy in NY given his circumstances might have been toxic to him. Indy should get the credit for drafting him, but more important developing him! Who gets that cred? Larry was burnt out and THEN took a year off. Donnie was where? Not on the floor coaching. Prichard was vital im sure. Take a second round pick and develop as an asset for both play, and as a trade chip if need be. Its not who drafts, its how the player is developed. That is on the organization who pays for them, hires the coaches, and sees a process.

Combined, these guy have been making decisons. Take a step back, look at the big picture of Donnie, Larry, and now Kevin. The owner, etc.
You want to focus on Mahini? Your missing a lot.

The roster was built while Walsh was in NY. So yeah they are Larry's guys. Walsh brought in DJ, Mahini, Green and Plumlee during Bird's year away. Those guys are gone. You are going way too deep here. Larry was running things when this current team was built. Credit the owner and the organization. Credit Larry. Don't credit the guy that was working for another eastern conference team while all of this happened.

Kevin Pritchard and Donnie while larry was gone. And credit goes to develping the players NOT TRADED. Thats continuous organizational process.

Your looking for signitures. Did Donnie or anyone in Indy during the Donnie Walsh influence era beit Donne, Larry, or Kevin ever dump massive salary to sign a defective type like Amare? But the knicks have made similar moves with Dice and Marbury! Thats three in 15 years. In Donnie's career has he ever made a trade like the one for Melo?

Im curious, why are you so hot to blame Donnie or not give him credit for things in NY or Indy?

IM giving credit to Herb Simon! He hires the guys. Even if Larry left, Donnie and kevin kept the process in tact. WHo was there with Larry? Donnie. Before Larry. Donnie. Who was there after Larry. Donnie and Kevin.

Larry and Kevin did a great job. They kept the process going. Why? Herb owns the team.

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So we need to give credit to the current Pacers success to Walsh because he took over for one year and didn't trade the guys bird brought in while Walsh was working in NY(Hibbert, George, Hill, West, Stephenson, Hansbrough) and didn't fire the coach that Bird hired?
What things should Walsh be given credit for in Indy? When Walsh left Bird made two big multi player trades around the draft that changed the team. He went onto build what is in place there now. Walsh was working in NY at that time. No credit regarding the Pacers should be given to a him when he was working for another team. Not sure why that is still being discussed.

Im crediting the process and those involved. If a man has an influence it lasts beyond his years.

Donnie was part of that. Your all about Larry as if he was the only onboard. One more time.

K-E-V-I-N P-R-I-T-C-A-R-D

Ok. Credit the organizational process. Not who was punched in on the clock.

Nalod wrote:OMG, ok, Credit to Bird. Can't throw a bone to Pritchard?

Again, ownership the organization and Bird deserve credit for the team built in Indiana

Didn't that cover it?