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fishmike
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12/23/2013  2:36 PM
misterearl wrote:Tons of empty seats?

VCoug wrote:

That's not true, there were tons of empty seats during the Layden/Isiah dark ages.

NYK Average Attendance by Season

2011-12 652,179 33 19,763
2010-11 808,879 41 19,728
2009-10 799,550 41 19,501
2008-09 790,801 41 19,287

2006-07 771,017 41 18,805
2005-06 776,176 41 18,931
2004-05 800,144 41 19,515

2003-04 785,739 41 19,164
2002-03 779,389 41 19,011
2001-02 810,283 41 19,763
2000-01 810,283 41 19,763

1999-00 810,283 41 19,763

1998-99 494,075 25 19,763
1997-98 810,283 41 19,763
1996-97 810,283 41 19,763
1995-96 810,283 41 19,763

1994-95 810,283 41 19,763
1993-94 810,283 41 19,763
1992-93 804,840 41 19,630
1991-92 731,371 41 17,838
1990-91 654,962 41 15,975
1989-90 730,432 41 17,815
1988-89 746,851 41 18,216

VCoug - you do the math. Please overlay the Layden years. 1999-2003.

earl.. these #s are doo-doo

Try these:
http://www.forbes.com/teams/new-york-knicks/

Look at the revenue and income. Winning means something. Dolan's wallet took a hit during those lean lean years of the mid 2000s

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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earthmansurfer
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12/23/2013  2:56 PM
DrAlphaeus wrote:Maybe we shouldn't be talking about empty seats so much as national TV appearances. Arena attendance seemed like a blip, but I remember you couldn't ever watch a game on anything but the MSG channel: TNT, ESPN & whoever the national OTA channel was at the time (ABC?) were not scheduling the Knicks when they were in the dumps. And when they would get on TV, they would stink it up:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200711290BOS.html

This Christmas game is going to be very interesting: Thunder (22-5!!!) at the Garden on ABC. We all know what the pre-game storyline will be: a study in compare and contrast.

We better show up on Christmas. If not, oh boy...

The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift. Albert Einstein
misterearl
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12/23/2013  3:08 PM
Fish mike - here is a frightening number, from your link, that should shock the sh#t out of any Knicks fan who thinks that the Dolan's are giving up their asset anytime in the near future

Forbes Lists

#1 NBA Team Valuations

Number one.

once a knick always a knick
sealy
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12/23/2013  3:16 PM
gunsnewing wrote:Yea like when we used to go to games for $30-40 during the Isiah yrs. Now you can't get in the building for under $100

We maybe now you can at 7-18

Yup go on Stubhub or another secondary site prior to game time. You can easily get into the Garden for $40 and have nice seats to boo these bums live.
fishmike
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12/23/2013  3:22 PM
misterearl wrote:Fish mike - here is a frightening number, from your link, that should shock the sh#t out of any Knicks fan who thinks that the Dolan's are giving up their asset anytime in the near future

Forbes Lists

#1 NBA Team Valuations

Number one.

oh trust me I know. Its why people here who think this thing should be blown up are no reality based. Making the playoffs and even advancing a round has such a huge financial impact on the franchise, there is no way no how this gets blown up. Tweeked, yes... but not blown up.

That being said you can see the years of heavly losing did take a hit on the revenue

"winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
gunsnewing
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12/23/2013  3:56 PM
fishmike wrote:
misterearl wrote:Tons of empty seats?

VCoug wrote:

That's not true, there were tons of empty seats during the Layden/Isiah dark ages.

NYK Average Attendance by Season

2011-12 652,179 33 19,763
2010-11 808,879 41 19,728
2009-10 799,550 41 19,501
2008-09 790,801 41 19,287

2006-07 771,017 41 18,805
2005-06 776,176 41 18,931
2004-05 800,144 41 19,515

2003-04 785,739 41 19,164
2002-03 779,389 41 19,011
2001-02 810,283 41 19,763
2000-01 810,283 41 19,763

1999-00 810,283 41 19,763

1998-99 494,075 25 19,763
1997-98 810,283 41 19,763
1996-97 810,283 41 19,763
1995-96 810,283 41 19,763

1994-95 810,283 41 19,763
1993-94 810,283 41 19,763
1992-93 804,840 41 19,630
1991-92 731,371 41 17,838
1990-91 654,962 41 15,975
1989-90 730,432 41 17,815
1988-89 746,851 41 18,216

VCoug - you do the math. Please overlay the Layden years. 1999-2003.

earl.. these #s are doo-doo

Try these:
http://www.forbes.com/teams/new-york-knicks/

Look at the revenue and income. Winning means something. Dolan's wallet took a hit during those lean lean years of the mid 2000s

Less butts in the seats means less jersey, beer and concession sales. Makes sense
gunsnewing
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12/23/2013  3:58 PM
sealy wrote:
gunsnewing wrote:Yea like when we used to go to games for $30-40 during the Isiah yrs. Now you can't get in the building for under $100

We maybe now you can at 7-18

Yup go on Stubhub or another secondary site prior to game time. You can easily get into the Garden for $40 and have nice seats to boo these bums live.

Cool. That's a pretty blood bargain to go there and boo. I gotta look into it
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