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12/22/2013  11:04 PM
Haha. Some of this stuff is hysterical. In the NBA you need to be able to hit unchallenged jumpers with some regularity to be a successful player. No sure how on Earth he could possibly be missing shots because Melo is passing him the ball, but it is certainly an interesting take. Perhaps he just can't shoot well enough to be productive at the NBA level? It seem pretty crazy that he would shoot a higher percentage on the same wide open shot if the pass came from LeBron.
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12/22/2013  11:21 PM
SwishAndDish13 wrote:Haha. Some of this stuff is hysterical. In the NBA you need to be able to hit unchallenged jumpers with some regularity to be a successful player. No sure how on Earth he could possibly be missing shots because Melo is passing him the ball, but it is certainly an interesting take. Perhaps he just can't shoot well enough to be productive at the NBA level? It seem pretty crazy that he would shoot a higher percentage on the same wide open shot if the pass came from LeBron.

you're not looking at the big picture nor are you looking at the human element here.

melo brings a hopelessness to the season when he claims he wants to test free agency. woodson enjoys gargling jr smith's nuts. dolan openly disdains you.

but yeah just go out there and do your job, shump.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/22/2013  11:28 PM
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SwishAndDish13 wrote:Haha. Some of this stuff is hysterical. In the NBA you need to be able to hit unchallenged jumpers with some regularity to be a successful player. No sure how on Earth he could possibly be missing shots because Melo is passing him the ball, but it is certainly an interesting take. Perhaps he just can't shoot well enough to be productive at the NBA level? It seem pretty crazy that he would shoot a higher percentage on the same wide open shot if the pass came from LeBron.

you're not looking at the big picture nor are you looking at the human element here.

melo brings a hopelessness to the season when he claims he wants to test free agency. woodson enjoys gargling jr smith's nuts. dolan openly disdains you.

but yeah just go out there and do your job, shump.

He did seem to fall out of favor quickly at the start of training camp, which made no sense given hoW everything out of Knicks camp prior to that was he was taking the next step and gonna be great. Not sure what happened there. I can Def see how some of that stuff would impact his hassle stats (Rebs, steals, etc), but that doesn't explain to me the god awful shooting percentage. Most of his shots are really good looks. Those need to be made with some consistency.

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12/22/2013  11:32 PM
dk7th wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:Haha. Some of this stuff is hysterical. In the NBA you need to be able to hit unchallenged jumpers with some regularity to be a successful player. No sure how on Earth he could possibly be missing shots because Melo is passing him the ball, but it is certainly an interesting take. Perhaps he just can't shoot well enough to be productive at the NBA level? It seem pretty crazy that he would shoot a higher percentage on the same wide open shot if the pass came from LeBron.

you're not looking at the big picture nor are you looking at the human element here.

melo brings a hopelessness to the season when he claims he wants to test free agency. woodson enjoys gargling jr smith's nuts. dolan openly disdains you.

but yeah just go out there and do your job, shump.

So in addition to being a shot doctor, a geneticist, and a medical expert in regards to shoulder injuries you now share that you have a deep understanding of the human element involved in professional sports. Amazing. Let me ask you this. Why did Aaron Affalo and Ty Lawson improve and progress in the season Melo announced he wanted to leave Denver?
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12/22/2013  11:36 PM
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dk7th wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:Haha. Some of this stuff is hysterical. In the NBA you need to be able to hit unchallenged jumpers with some regularity to be a successful player. No sure how on Earth he could possibly be missing shots because Melo is passing him the ball, but it is certainly an interesting take. Perhaps he just can't shoot well enough to be productive at the NBA level? It seem pretty crazy that he would shoot a higher percentage on the same wide open shot if the pass came from LeBron.

you're not looking at the big picture nor are you looking at the human element here.

melo brings a hopelessness to the season when he claims he wants to test free agency. woodson enjoys gargling jr smith's nuts. dolan openly disdains you.

but yeah just go out there and do your job, shump.

He did seem to fall out of favor quickly at the start of training camp, which made no sense given hoW everything out of Knicks camp prior to that was he was taking the next step and gonna be great. Not sure what happened there. I can Def see how some of that stuff would impact his hassle stats (Rebs, steals, etc), but that doesn't explain to me the god awful shooting percentage. Most of his shots are really good looks. Those need to be made with some consistency.

look you play or played right? if you have any distractions it can affect your confidence and your shot. you start aiming when you second guess. he isn't sure he belongs. he came late to jumpshooting as it is so that will be the first thing to go. and woodson is a phony coach and mentor.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/22/2013  11:49 PM
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SwishAndDish13 wrote:
dk7th wrote:
SwishAndDish13 wrote:Haha. Some of this stuff is hysterical. In the NBA you need to be able to hit unchallenged jumpers with some regularity to be a successful player. No sure how on Earth he could possibly be missing shots because Melo is passing him the ball, but it is certainly an interesting take. Perhaps he just can't shoot well enough to be productive at the NBA level? It seem pretty crazy that he would shoot a higher percentage on the same wide open shot if the pass came from LeBron.

you're not looking at the big picture nor are you looking at the human element here.

melo brings a hopelessness to the season when he claims he wants to test free agency. woodson enjoys gargling jr smith's nuts. dolan openly disdains you.

but yeah just go out there and do your job, shump.

He did seem to fall out of favor quickly at the start of training camp, which made no sense given hoW everything out of Knicks camp prior to that was he was taking the next step and gonna be great. Not sure what happened there. I can Def see how some of that stuff would impact his hassle stats (Rebs, steals, etc), but that doesn't explain to me the god awful shooting percentage. Most of his shots are really good looks. Those need to be made with some consistency.

look you play or played right? if you have any distractions it can affect your confidence and your shot. you start aiming when you second guess. he isn't sure he belongs. he came late to jumpshooting as it is so that will be the first thing to go. and woodson is a phony coach and mentor.

Yea, I used to play a lot. I actually agreed with u on the hustle stats and his decline defensively from prior years. I really struggle to see how not being happy with your situation causes you to shoot such a poor percentage on wide open shots. I never thought he was a great shooter but he's been shooting under 20% the last few games so what gives. On that kid of stuff the only person that looks like **** is him. People aren't even coming with a fake challenge on his outside shots. That is a real slap in the face

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12/23/2013  1:28 AM
I feel that sumps taking away min from thjr and that shouldn't be happening. I love shumps defense and rebounding but we lucked out in thjr the kid is baller and we are in dire need of a point guard
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12/23/2013  2:04 AM
So it is wise to lift heavy weights before a basketball game and since we contribute Shump slump to Melo can we also contribute Hardaway Jr shooting to him too?

Maybe Shump shoots better with Melo off the floor. Nope he shoots worse. SO he goes from bad to very bad.

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12/23/2013  4:59 AM
Shump is just as soft as landry then. Landry is in Toronto paying wise than he did here. They gave him opportunities to start and he failed. Oh well. Shump had a good playoff and needed to make that next step. He did not get better. He sucked in summer league. That's not a fluke. Knick should have traded him, but everyone is so hype of his potential. Now look at us.....


knicks need guys that are self motivated and Thjr is that dude

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12/23/2013  8:06 AM
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djsunyc wrote:it seems to me that fields, shump and soon, hardaway will fall victim to melo ball...
You think Shump is throwing up air balls because suddenly after three seasons he can no longer play with his teammate? Fields can't shoot straight or get minutes because he played a third of a season with Melo?

it was evident that each of those players performed much better when Melo was out multiple times, they all played much better, and more importantly played as a team, also effecting other team mates like Tyson Chandler, Jeffries, Novak, JR Smith, TD (okay maybe not TD)

When you have ball movement, you feel like you are part of the team, and you will work harder if on DEFENSE if you miss or mess up, it is a natural response
IF MELO didn't like standing in the corner while Lin created for the benefit of the team, why does he not understand him shooting 9/29 while his team mates watch him score without knowing how he is going to try to do it to go for the OFFENSIVE rebound, a reason why many players have a tough time playing with Melo because he can and will take many poor shots consistently


Yet he complained about it recently which really ticket me off, saying

"[Sometimes], they're just looking for me to make something happen," he said. "We've got to get away from that. We've got to get better at that. We will."

"I believe in [my teammates] just as much as they believe in me. They've got to know that," Anthony said earlier this week. "They've got to believe that and they've got to play ball coming down the stretch, too."

This was before his last second heroics on the Washington game, where he demanded the ball inbound pushing away Udrih, only to slowly walk up the half court, and make sure he can get off a shot so he could be a HERO, instead of using his brain, by calling a time out first so ball would be inbounded in half court or push the ball up and find the open man for ANY basket with possible tip in, instead he opted for making sure HE HAD THE LAST SHOT ATTEMPT, and this is NOT the first time he has done stunts like this

Come on, Melo likes to play HERO BALL, and now because we are having a poor season, he is throwing his own team mates under the bus, saying they cannot expect him to "bail the team out all the time", saying his team mates cannot stand around while he goes ISO and do NOTHING, saying "he believes in his team mates as much as they believe in me"

He had no problem playing that role in his entire career, actually preferring it, and that is why Lin is no longer here, despite we could have used is abilities, but Melo's EGO needs to be constantly stroked and pleasured....

He had no problem NOT pushing the ball for the best shot possible in the Wizards game, instead opting for the HALF COURT CHUCK when the ball was in his hands

He certainly had no problem playing that role vs the Pacer's in the post season while it was largely ineffective but of course now that we are losing he does not want to be the leader to take the blame despite his willingness to take and make 9/30 shots per game on a nightly basis.

SO what has George Karl, Dantoni, Amare, Chandler, Iman, Lin, etc... have all said about BALL MOVEMENT and having Melo play a more balanced game....
He ignores all of them but now he is pointing out what they all said, have been saying, and blaming his team mates instead for the losses, that is the "ALL STAR" we traded half a team for

Knicks vs Wizards, at about 1:20 it shows the play from beal leading to the Chuck by Melo but listen to the comments of Woodson and NBA analyst in Brent Barry/3D
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVCLDJSVn0o

Jim Rome on the play
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwfTdBUWXAY


2012 Knicks vs Denver double or triple OT, notice how wide open his team mates are as Melo wants to take EVERY HERO SHOT, despite being triple teamed
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls0FsB88ivI
Below are 2 articles on Melo and The Knicks

New York Knicks
Melo: I need help from teammates
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Here's Carmelo Anthony talking about what went wrong in the final minutes of the Knicks' loss to Boston on Friday.

"We all have to step up to those challenges. It's not every night I'm going to bail us out. We should know that," he said.

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And here's Anthony talking about his teammates after last Wednesday's loss to Chicago.

"[Sometimes], they're just looking for me to make something happen," he said. "We've got to get away from that. We've got to get better at that. We will."

He's not exactly shouting it from the rooftop of his Manhattan high-rise, but Anthony's making it clear that he needs help from his teammates.

The Knicks offense clicked well in Saturday's win over Atlanta, but Anthony has a point.

J.R. Smith is averaging just 10.4 points per game after scoring 18.1 per night last season. Iman Shumpert has totaled eight points in his last 111 minutes on the court.

And you can't count on much offense from Pablo Prigioni.

Injuries, of course, have affected Anthony's supporting cast.

Tyson Chandler has been out since Nov. 5 with a broken leg. Raymond Felton has been in and out of the lineup with hamstring and hip issues.

And Anthony himself deserves some share of the blame here.

He's scoring nearly two points per game fewer than he did last season and shooting a a lower percentage from beyond the arc for the 7-16 Knicks.

But Anthony's teammates are giving him less offensive support this year than last year's group did.

Last season, all Knicks not named Anthony who played at least 14 minutes per game shot a combined 44.1 percent from the floor.

This season, all Knicks other than Anthony playing at least 14 minutes per game are shooting a combined 42.6 percent from the floor.

That's not a huge disparity.

But the Knick offense is relying more on Anthony this season than it did last year.

This year, the players averaging at least 14 minutes per game not named Anthony are scoring 70.6 percent of New York's total points. Last season, those players averaging more than 14 minutes totaled 75.8 percent of the Knicks' points.

To further Anthony's point, it seems like the Knicks are better off with a stronger supporting cast and a little less from Anthony.

The Knicks beat the Magic and Nets by more than 30 points apiece earlier this month. Anthony took a total of 22 shots in those wins.

Clearly, Anthony isn't throwing his teammates under the bus. But his words and actions show that he's looking for more support.

"I believe in [my teammates] just as much as they believe in me. They've got to know that," Anthony said earlier this week. "They've got to believe that and they've got to play ball coming down the stretch, too."

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/knicks/post/_/id/51322/melo-i-need-help-from-teammates
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NBA Executives Rip 'Selfish' Carmelo Anthony, One Says He 'Can't Be Alpha Male'
BY JOE FLYNN (FEATURED COLUMNIST) ON NOVEMBER 14, 2013

It's no secret that this season has not gone well for New York Knicksforward Carmelo Anthony. Off the court, he created an unnecessary media firestorm with his declaration in the New York Observer that he wanted to become a free agent after the season.

On the court, Melo has yet to come close to the guy who won the NBA scoring title last year. He has struggled to find a rhythm on offense, and his team has struggled to overcome the loss of perhaps its most irreplaceable player—Tyson Chandler—who will be out for more than a month with a fractured leg.

Just how "off" is Melo at the moment? Let's compare his per-36-minute statistics to those of perennial punching bag Andrea Bargnani.

Rk Player G FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% ORB DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PTS
1 Carmelo Anthony 7 7.5 18.6 .404 1.3 3.6 .357 1.8 5.6 7.4 2.7 1.5 0.4 2.6 20.9
2 Andrea Bargnani 7 8.0 16.7 .481 1.9 4.9 .375 2.1 3.7 5.8 1.4 0.4 1.2 2.7 19.7

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Generated 11/14/2013.
Now, Bargnani has shot surprisingly well thus far, but Melo is supposed to be a superstar in this league, the kind of player around whom a team can build a contender.

It seems that quite a few NBA executives are starting to doubt whether he has what it takes to lead his team to the promised land.

In this ESPN Insider article (subscription only), Chris Broussard interviews four anonymous NBA executives on the subject of the Knicks star. And the results aren't glowing.

Scott Cunningham/Getty Images Here are a few keys excerpts:
One executive characterizes Melo as a "winner" but believes he developed too many bad habits early in his professional career.

I like Melo. I like that he competes. He obviously can score at a high level. People forget that when he got drafted by Denver, the Nuggets had won 17 games the year before. And he immediately turned them into a playoff team and took them to the playoffs every year he was there. He took a 17-win team and led them to 43 wins. So he can win and make a team better. I think his problem is that he went to Denver, which was a dysfunctional franchise at that time, so he picked up some bad habits and didn't learn what it takes to really win in this league. If he had gone to a better organization with a truly professional environment coming out of the gate, he would have learned and been more professional. He won big in college (leading Syracuse to the National Championship in 2003). He won big in high school at Oak Hill. He's been a winner all his life.

The other three executives were far less complimentary of Melo's ability to win in the NBA.

From Exec No. 2:

He's a great player, but he's also a selfish player. That's just how he is. I don't think he'll look at himself in the mirror and say, "What am I not doing? What am I doing that's keeping us from winning?"

From Exec No. 3:

I actually think that, for whatever reason, Melo's always gotten a pass. At the end of the day, he's been in the league long enough where, if he was really a winner and about winning, he'd have figured it out by now. He's had enough time to do that now.

From Exec No. 4:

I love him as a player. I just don't think he's your alpha male. He can't be your No. 1 guy. He's kind of like Clyde Drexler. As the alpha male in Portland, Clyde never got over the top. But when he went to Houston and was the No. 2 guy to Hakeem Olajuwon, he won. Melo's too much about himself to be the No. 1 guy.

Scott Cunningham/Getty Images And finally, here is perhaps the cruelest cut of all, courtesy of Exec No. 4: "He's kind of like the 2013 version of Stephon Marbury. He's not as bad as Stephon, but he's got Steph tendencies."
For a Knicks fan, is there any insult worse than comparing the team's star to Stephon Marbury?


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1851255-nba-executives-rip-selfish-carmelo-anthony-one-says-he-cant-be-alpha-male

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12/23/2013  8:25 AM
yellowboy90 wrote:So it is wise to lift heavy weights before a basketball game and since we contribute Shump slump to Melo can we also contribute Hardaway Jr shooting to him too?

Maybe Shump shoots better with Melo off the floor. Nope he shoots worse. SO he goes from bad to very bad.

which player had a father teaching him how to shoot from the moment he learned to walk? as i said the later in life you start learning to shoot the harder it is to maintain when under adverse conditions. which player has had to deal with melo longer?

lifting weights before a game is crazy i'll give you that.

knicks win 38-43 games in 16-17. rose MUST shoot no more than 14 shots per game, defer to kp6 + melo, and have a usage rate of less than 25%
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12/23/2013  8:42 AM
because his value is at a low now, no point in selling for a .25 cents (at best) out of a dollar right now

I believe in Iman, injuries certainly slowed his process down, but he will be at least a serviceable role player like a Tony Allen
He has to work on his handle but most importantly we need players that play the right way, that play a TEAM concept, and no more ISO's, he looked great when he was with Lin despite not putting up good numbers

He isn't in the right system with the right philosophies, not with an FAST UPTEMPO SYSTEM that he excelled in with Lin,Fields, Novak, Jeffries, Chandler, with the right players *especially on DEFENSE*, and is not utilized correctly

I would say at least hold on to him till the end of 2015 summer and make a decision then but we should get whatever we can get in Melo and trade Smith or Felton with him
Then try to raise the value all of our players, with PLAYER MOVEMENT/BALL MOVEMENT, as NO ONE is untouchable, as 2015 is our priority, along with player development, and developing a TEAM identity/chemistry

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12/23/2013  10:23 AM
RonRon wrote:because his value is at a low now, no point in selling for a .25 cents (at best) out of a dollar right now

I believe in Iman, injuries certainly slowed his process down, but he will be at least a serviceable role player like a Tony Allen
He has to work on his handle but most importantly we need players that play the right way, that play a TEAM concept, and no more ISO's, he looked great when he was with Lin despite not putting up good numbers

He isn't in the right system with the right philosophies, not with an FAST UPTEMPO SYSTEM that he excelled in with Lin,Fields, Novak, Jeffries, Chandler, with the right players *especially on DEFENSE*, and is not utilized correctly

I would say at least hold on to him till the end of 2015 summer and make a decision then but we should get whatever we can get in Melo and trade Smith or Felton with him
Then try to raise the value all of our players, with PLAYER MOVEMENT/BALL MOVEMENT, as NO ONE is untouchable, as 2015 is our priority, along with player development, and developing a TEAM identity/chemistry

You like someone talking about advances in open heart surgery in the middle of Darfur.
This organization has no idea what to do tomorrow... short of 2015+.
And looks like Shrump really like it in NY, otherwise he will put more mental work to make himself better to get traded ASAP.

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I think I read somewhere that the reason we haven't moved Shump is because the Knicks would like to package him with Amar'e, which basically means Dolan is still deluded enough to think he can land Rondo with a package based around Amar'e and Shump.

I wouldn't want Rondo anyways- it would mean taking on the salaries of Wallace and Hump (plus I can't stand Hump), which would mean essentially goodbye to 2015. So we'd have zero flexibility if it didn't work out. Rondo has attitude issues, and we've seen how that ends in NY. Plus he relied on his athleticism (good luck with the ACL recovery) and would be another player that can't shoot. Melo could then bolt at the end of the season, further screwing us.

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12/23/2013  3:00 PM
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yellowboy90 wrote:So it is wise to lift heavy weights before a basketball game and since we contribute Shump slump to Melo can we also contribute Hardaway Jr shooting to him too?

Maybe Shump shoots better with Melo off the floor. Nope he shoots worse. SO he goes from bad to very bad.



which player had a father teaching him how to shoot from the moment he learned to walk?
as i said the later in life you start learning to shoot the harder it is to maintain when under adverse conditions. which player has had to deal with melo longer?

lifting weights before a game is crazy i'll give you that.

That didn't help him at michigan when he was an inefficient chucker. He had a nice % on catch and shoots but nothing like it is right now. So try again. Since we want to talk about conditions and the human condition less go. Maybe it is not the mind but the heart. Maybe instead of going out on the town as a single bachelor he should get back with Elle Varner. Yes, that must be it. He was with here last year and they broke up before the season and everything fell off from there. Its the Arod/Kate Hudson effect. Now that's logic for you and deduction because 1 + 1 = 2 but 2 can = 1.5 + .5. What does it all mean? It means that Shump should have never cut his high top fade. It just gotta be da fade? Aint that right Mars Blackmon?

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12/23/2013  3:21 PM
RonRon wrote:because his value is at a low now, no point in selling for a .25 cents (at best) out of a dollar right now

I believe in Iman, injuries certainly slowed his process down, but he will be at least a serviceable role player like a Tony Allen
He has to work on his handle but most importantly we need players that play the right way, that play a TEAM concept, and no more ISO's, he looked great when he was with Lin despite not putting up good numbers

He isn't in the right system with the right philosophies, not with an FAST UPTEMPO SYSTEM that he excelled in with Lin,Fields, Novak, Jeffries, Chandler, with the right players *especially on DEFENSE*, and is not utilized correctly

I would say at least hold on to him till the end of 2015 summer and make a decision then but we should get whatever we can get in Melo and trade Smith or Felton with him
Then try to raise the value all of our players, with PLAYER MOVEMENT/BALL MOVEMENT, as NO ONE is untouchable, as 2015 is our priority, along with player development, and developing a TEAM identity/chemistry

I'm sorry but how do you excel shooting under 40%? He shot the ball better without Lin and his defense is the same. He is the wing version of Bargs, a great iso defender but poor help defender. He still fouls at a high rate and get lost when following wings off of screens. On O he has hard times betting 4s off of the dribble and then he can't finish at the rim when he does. So how would he flourish i an uptempo system when he has none of the qualities to succeed in it? He's a 2 foot jumper who seems to lack explosion when jumping off of one leg. Also, how is it that Hardaway can manage to get out on breaks and shump can't?


I actually like shump but he doesn't need to be babied. I guess since he was picked by the Knicks fans should just coddle him and his failures as a player so far. I will put some blame on Woodson for not trying to get him going. They try to get Bargs and Amar'e going even Jr but rarely do they get Shump running off of screens. However, I do not know if he is even capable. They don't have a problem running THJR off of screens and gives him a green light so I am not sure what Iman is showing in practice. It might be this...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/22/sports/basketball/escalating-crisis-of-faith-for-knicks-true-believers.html?ref=sports&_r=0

“Before the game, I watched Grizzlies power forward Zach Randolph take warm-ups. At 6 feet 9 inches and 260 pounds, he’s a sasquatch of a man with a butter-smooth jumper. He hit 22 of 26 shots from the corner.
“Not long after, the Knicks’ Iman Shumpert came out. He had worked weights until sweaty. Then he began to shoot. Clank. Clank. Clank. Short, long, to the side. It’s like watching a little kid tossing rocks at a distant bottle.
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12/23/2013  5:57 PM
Because he's young and talented and his trade value is probably very low. He does not have the Tim Thomas disease. TT was pure lazy. Shump isn't.
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12/23/2013  9:11 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
RonRon wrote:because his value is at a low now, no point in selling for a .25 cents (at best) out of a dollar right now

I believe in Iman, injuries certainly slowed his process down, but he will be at least a serviceable role player like a Tony Allen
He has to work on his handle but most importantly we need players that play the right way, that play a TEAM concept, and no more ISO's, he looked great when he was with Lin despite not putting up good numbers

He isn't in the right system with the right philosophies, not with an FAST UPTEMPO SYSTEM that he excelled in with Lin,Fields, Novak, Jeffries, Chandler, with the right players *especially on DEFENSE*, and is not utilized correctly

I would say at least hold on to him till the end of 2015 summer and make a decision then but we should get whatever we can get in Melo and trade Smith or Felton with him
Then try to raise the value all of our players, with PLAYER MOVEMENT/BALL MOVEMENT, as NO ONE is untouchable, as 2015 is our priority, along with player development, and developing a TEAM identity/chemistry

I'm sorry but how do you excel shooting under 40%? He shot the ball better without Lin and his defense is the same. He is the wing version of Bargs, a great iso defender but poor help defender. He still fouls at a high rate and get lost when following wings off of screens. On O he has hard times betting 4s off of the dribble and then he can't finish at the rim when he does. So how would he flourish i an uptempo system when he has none of the qualities to succeed in it? He's a 2 foot jumper who seems to lack explosion when jumping off of one leg. Also, how is it that Hardaway can manage to get out on breaks and shump can't?


I actually like shump but he doesn't need to be babied. I guess since he was picked by the Knicks fans should just coddle him and his failures as a player so far. I will put some blame on Woodson for not trying to get him going. They try to get Bargs and Amar'e going even Jr but rarely do they get Shump running off of screens. However, I do not know if he is even capable. They don't have a problem running THJR off of screens and gives him a green light so I am not sure what Iman is showing in practice. It might be this...

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/22/sports/basketball/escalating-crisis-of-faith-for-knicks-true-believers.html?ref=sports&_r=0

“Before the game, I watched Grizzlies power forward Zach Randolph take warm-ups. At 6 feet 9 inches and 260 pounds, he’s a sasquatch of a man with a butter-smooth jumper. He hit 22 of 26 shots from the corner.
“Not long after, the Knicks’ Iman Shumpert came out. He had worked weights until sweaty. Then he began to shoot. Clank. Clank. Clank. Short, long, to the side. It’s like watching a little kid tossing rocks at a distant bottle.


So why is it that Lin was able to LEAD us to W's and actually RUN A TEAM with efficiency, while Melo was getting us nothing but L's, and why did Lin do it with LESS TALENT
Players like

Chandler
Novak
Fields (AT SF)

even Jeffries

Iman
JR

all excelled under Lin, especially with Fields?
Why were we much better DEFENDERS during that run and actually had a higher shooting %?
Why did we play much closer to team rather than ISO's that get us no where?
Why did it look like EVERYONE including fans and the team enjoyed basketball, instead of watching Melo smile?
Why did all his ex coaches and team mates keep talking about BALL MOVEMENT why did we get Kidd with the vets last year to "BABY SIT" our "ALL STAR"

Because Melo is not as good as he thinks he is and he should not be the one to initiate an offense, not unless your team is STACKED with versatile/athletic rebounders/defenders 3pt shooters because his style of play simply does not elevate his team mates game, end of story....

No Lin is not good enough to lead us either, but he is not making a max salary either, and I can live with that without the drama of MEEELOW

Why have we not moved shump

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