Panos wrote:

Carmelo Anthony wrote:“I’m not saying I want to go somewhere else,” Anthony said. “When I first got to New York I always told myself it would be a three- to 3½-year plan just to rebuild. I knew we took a step backwards as an organization for me to get here. So we had to rebuild.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/knicks-insider-melo-big-3-smart-article-1.1555440#ixzz2oF7qfzSA

Straight from the horse's mouth. Nice work. Thanks, Carmelo.

I said this before and will again.. he is a jackass an idiot and a loser.. so basically what he is saying is that the knicks gave up a lot to get him, enough to set them back? ahhhh I don't think that is what dolan wants to hear.... so carmelo basically helped denver fleece us.. and someone explain to that idiot what rebuilding is.. no team rebuilds with two guys making 20 mil a year nearing their 30's....

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

misterearl wrote:Righting The Ship

holfresh - if you are the general manager for 30 minutes, do you keep Melo or start working the cel phone to gauge interest?

The problem with Knick fans is they want change for the sake of change...With these changes ushers in no foundation, constant uncertainty, zero direction, the very thing they complain about...Put a guy in charge who knows what is is to be in NY, like say Alan Houston, who has a foundation with the team and ain't going anywhere..Let him fail, change course and regroup, learn on the job..Hire a coach like Mark Jackson who knows what it is to play in NY(we love defense) and can be a leader of men( that was my argument for Jackson when Donnie was deciding between MDA, Jackson and whoever)..Melo is a keeper..He has the thick skin to thrive in NY, not many people do...He took the blame for MDA leaving and went out on a tear...Many players will wilt in these bright lights, see Shump...Shin-Soo Choo turned down 140 mil from the Yanks and took 130 from the Rangers..Here ain't for everyone...Keep the ones who can handle it...Find a damn PG who can bring tempo to the offense and play a little D...Beno need not apply or Prigs for that matter...I really don't think it's that deep..

OKC looked at lot like the Knicks when Westbrook went down...Durant looked at lot like Melo when Westbrook wasn't there..Get Melo some help...Get rid of Amare's contract, sign a player who can take the pressure of Melo logging 40+minutes a game and three guys hanging on his shirt during a turnaround jumper...That won't happen until 2015...No need to throw out the baby with the bath water...

Am I crazy to say last two years is the best basketball Melo has played in his career??...U can't ask him to do more than he has done this season, even on the defensive end, can u??...I guess he can still pass more...So the answer is to trade a dollar for 4 quarters and hope one of the quarters become a dollar??..Doesn't make sense to me but it might to many...Change..

god what a laughably stupid post.

Care to elaborate, add some thought to the discussion?

you first holfresh.

Instead of trying to demean a post, just stick to basketball and write a response, backed by your facts.

misterearl wrote:tkf - is that the best you can offer as your rebuttal?

Instead of trying to demean a post, just stick to basketball and write a response, backed by your facts.

facts? this team sucks.. facts

carmelo is the leader and we suck.. fact

8-18 fact..

Carmelo isn't durant.. FACT

blow this crap up..

holfresh wrote:

misterearl wrote:Righting The Ship

holfresh - if you are the general manager for 30 minutes, do you keep Melo or start working the cel phone to gauge interest?

The problem with Knick fans is they want change for the sake of change

No, we want changes that can help us eventually compete for a championship, something that we're clearly nowhere near capable of doing with the current roster

...With these changes ushers in no foundation,

I don't know what this means

constant uncertainty,

So? I'm certain that we suck right now and, if we don't make wholesale changes, I'm certain we'll suck 5 years from now as well. I'd rather be uncertain about sucking 5 years from now instead.

zero direction,

the very thing they complain about

I'm pretty sure the thing we complain about is that we're a terrible basketball team with no plan to improve

...Put a guy in charge who knows what is is to be in NY, like say Alan Houston, who has a foundation with the team and ain't going anywhere..Let him fail, change course and regroup, learn on the job..Hire a coach like Mark Jackson who knows what it is to play in NY(we love defense) and can be a leader of men( that was my argument for Jackson when Donnie was deciding between MDA, Jackson and whoever)

How about we put someone in charge who can properly evaluate talent and understands how to work the salary cap to our advantage? I'd rather they learn how to deal with NY media on the job instead of learning how to be a good GM

..Melo is a keeper..He has the thick skin to thrive in NY, not many people do...He took the blame for MDA leaving and went out on a tear...Many players will wilt in these bright lights, see Shump...Shin-Soo Choo turned down 140 mil from the Yanks and took 130 from the Rangers..Here ain't for everyone...Keep the ones who can handle it...

Let's assume that Melo is in fact "a keeper". At what price? He'll be 30 years old at the end of this season and if we give him a max he'll using up nearly half of the salary cap until he's 35.

Find a damn PG who can bring tempo to the offense and play a little D...Beno need not apply or Prigs for that matter...I really don't think it's that deep..

Again, how are we getting a good PG when we basically won't be able to sign any free agents?

OKC looked at lot like the Knicks when Westbrook went down...Durant looked at lot like Melo when Westbrook wasn't there

No, he didn't. Here is what Durant did in those playoffs and here is what Melo did. Notice that Durant scores more points, gets more rebounds, gets more assists, and shoots better from the field.

..Get Melo some help...Get rid of Amare's contract, sign a player who can take the pressure of Melo logging 40+minutes a game and three guys hanging on his shirt during a turnaround jumper...That won't happen until 2015...No need to throw out the baby with the bath water...

How are we getting Melo help with no draft picks and little cap space? And how does getting rid of Amare's contract next season help when we'd still be over the cap?

Am I crazy to say last two years is the best basketball Melo has played in his career??...U can't ask him to do more than he has done this season, even on the defensive end, can u??...I guess he can still pass more...So the answer is to trade a dollar for 4 quarters and hope one of the quarters become a dollar??..Doesn't make sense to me but it might to many...Change..

martin wrote:

tkf wrote:

misterearl wrote:tkf - is that the best you can offer as your rebuttal?

Instead of trying to demean a post, just stick to basketball and write a response, backed by your facts.

facts? this team sucks.. facts

carmelo is the leader and we suck.. fact

8-18 fact..

Carmelo isn't durant.. FACT

blow this crap up..

you added nothing but obviously rhetorical info.

he asked for facts and I gave him some... I mean lets be serious martin,after every thing that has transpired this year, that you have seen with your own eyes, do we really need that much analysis on whats going on? I just cut to the chase..

CrushAlot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

misterearl wrote:Righting The Ship

holfresh - if you are the general manager for 30 minutes, do you keep Melo or start working the cel phone to gauge interest?

The problem with Knick fans is they want change for the sake of change

No, we want changes that can help us eventually compete for a championship, something that we're clearly nowhere near capable of doing with the current roster

...With these changes ushers in no foundation,

I don't know what this means

constant uncertainty,

So? I'm certain that we suck right now and, if we don't make wholesale changes, I'm certain we'll suck 5 years from now as well. I'd rather be uncertain about sucking 5 years from now instead.

zero direction,

Completely incorrect. The direction is that we'll tank in 2015 for a high lottery pick and rebuild around him and whatever highend free agent is willing to sign here in the Summer of 2015 or 2016. We then use the other draft picks we've stockpiled during this firesale and continuously bring in new, cheap talent to improve our team.

the very thing they complain about

I'm pretty sure the thing we complain about is that we're a terrible basketball team with no plan to improve

...Put a guy in charge who knows what is is to be in NY, like say Alan Houston, who has a foundation with the team and ain't going anywhere..Let him fail, change course and regroup, learn on the job..Hire a coach like Mark Jackson who knows what it is to play in NY(we love defense) and can be a leader of men( that was my argument for Jackson when Donnie was deciding between MDA, Jackson and whoever)

How about we put someone in charge who can properly evaluate talent and understands how to work the salary cap to our advantage? I'd rather they learn how to deal with NY media on the job instead of learning how to be a good GM

..Melo is a keeper..He has the thick skin to thrive in NY, not many people do...He took the blame for MDA leaving and went out on a tear...Many players will wilt in these bright lights, see Shump...Shin-Soo Choo turned down 140 mil from the Yanks and took 130 from the Rangers..Here ain't for everyone...Keep the ones who can handle it...

Let's assume that Melo is in fact "a keeper". At what price? He'll be 30 years old at the end of this season and if we give him a max he'll using up nearly half of the salary cap until he's 35.

Find a damn PG who can bring tempo to the offense and play a little D...Beno need not apply or Prigs for that matter...I really don't think it's that deep..

Again, how are we getting a good PG when we basically won't be able to sign any free agents?

OKC looked at lot like the Knicks when Westbrook went down...Durant looked at lot like Melo when Westbrook wasn't there

No, he didn't. Here is what Durant did in those playoffs and here is what Melo did. Notice that Durant scores more points, gets more rebounds, gets more assists, and shoots better from the field.

..Get Melo some help...Get rid of Amare's contract, sign a player who can take the pressure of Melo logging 40+minutes a game and three guys hanging on his shirt during a turnaround jumper...That won't happen until 2015...No need to throw out the baby with the bath water...

How are we getting Melo help with no draft picks and little cap space? And how does getting rid of Amare's contract next season help when we'd still be over the cap?

Am I crazy to say last two years is the best basketball Melo has played in his career??...U can't ask him to do more than he has done this season, even on the defensive end, can u??...I guess he can still pass more...So the answer is to trade a dollar for 4 quarters and hope one of the quarters become a dollar??..Doesn't make sense to me but it might to many...Change..

Can we acknowledge that only 1 first round pick was traded to get melo?

Sure? But that has nothing to do with any of the points I made.

Also, amare's contract is a huge deal and the Knicks traded their lottery pick and a top 1 protected pick was moved to sign amare.

No, we made those trades to have cap room in one of the best free agent classes in NBA history. We ended up signing Amare. And again, you know what happens if Amare's salary magically disappears from the books tomorrow? We're still $10M+ over the cap and can't sign free agents except with the MLE.

Also, for all of the play the 14th man to develop youth, where were these complaints when the Knicks had a lottery pick, a first rounder and the moz getting dnps nightly on a 29win team that featured duh on, Jeffries, bender and al Harrington.

Which lottery pick and 1st rounder are you talking about? Is Jordan Hill one of them? I'm pretty sure there were a lot of Knicks fans, myself included, that wanted Hill to get more burn. Who's the other first rounder? And Moz wasn't on that team, we signed him the same Summer we signed Amare.

CrushAlot wrote:

holfresh wrote:

misterearl wrote:Righting The Ship

holfresh - if you are the general manager for 30 minutes, do you keep Melo or start working the cel phone to gauge interest?

The problem with Knick fans is they want change for the sake of change...With these changes ushers in no foundation, constant uncertainty, zero direction, the very thing they complain about...Put a guy in charge who knows what is is to be in NY, like say Alan Houston, who has a foundation with the team and ain't going anywhere..Let him fail, change course and regroup, learn on the job..Hire a coach like Mark Jackson who knows what it is to play in NY(we love defense) and can be a leader of men( that was my argument for Jackson when Donnie was deciding between MDA, Jackson and whoever)..Melo is a keeper..He has the thick skin to thrive in NY, not many people do...He took the blame for MDA leaving and went out on a tear...Many players will wilt in these bright lights, see Shump...Shin-Soo Choo turned down 140 mil from the Yanks and took 130 from the Rangers..Here ain't for everyone...Keep the ones who can handle it...Find a damn PG who can bring tempo to the offense and play a little D...Beno need not apply or Prigs for that matter...I really don't think it's that deep..

OKC looked at lot like the Knicks when Westbrook went down...Durant looked at lot like Melo when Westbrook wasn't there..Get Melo some help...Get rid of Amare's contract, sign a player who can take the pressure of Melo logging 40+minutes a game and three guys hanging on his shirt during a turnaround jumper...That won't happen until 2015...No need to throw out the baby with the bath water...

Am I crazy to say last two years is the best basketball Melo has played in his career??...U can't ask him to do more than he has done this season, even on the defensive end, can u??...I guess he can still pass more...So the answer is to trade a dollar for 4 quarters and hope one of the quarters become a dollar??..Doesn't make sense to me but it might to many...Change..

Great post. Some stability and a real gm would help also.

Thanks, I appreciate that!!!

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

misterearl wrote:Righting The Ship

holfresh - if you are the general manager for 30 minutes, do you keep Melo or start working the cel phone to gauge interest?

The problem with Knick fans is they want change for the sake of change

No, we want changes that can help us eventually compete for a championship, something that we're clearly nowhere near capable of doing with the current roster

...With these changes ushers in no foundation,

I don't know what this means

constant uncertainty,

So? I'm certain that we suck right now and, if we don't make wholesale changes, I'm certain we'll suck 5 years from now as well. I'd rather be uncertain about sucking 5 years from now instead.

zero direction,

Completely incorrect. The direction is that we'll tank in 2015 for a high lottery pick and rebuild around him and whatever highend free agent is willing to sign here in the Summer of 2015 or 2016. We then use the other draft picks we've stockpiled during this firesale and continuously bring in new, cheap talent to improve our team.

the very thing they complain about

I'm pretty sure the thing we complain about is that we're a terrible basketball team with no plan to improve

...Put a guy in charge who knows what is is to be in NY, like say Alan Houston, who has a foundation with the team and ain't going anywhere..Let him fail, change course and regroup, learn on the job..Hire a coach like Mark Jackson who knows what it is to play in NY(we love defense) and can be a leader of men( that was my argument for Jackson when Donnie was deciding between MDA, Jackson and whoever)

How about we put someone in charge who can properly evaluate talent and understands how to work the salary cap to our advantage? I'd rather they learn how to deal with NY media on the job instead of learning how to be a good GM

..Melo is a keeper..He has the thick skin to thrive in NY, not many people do...He took the blame for MDA leaving and went out on a tear...Many players will wilt in these bright lights, see Shump...Shin-Soo Choo turned down 140 mil from the Yanks and took 130 from the Rangers..Here ain't for everyone...Keep the ones who can handle it...

Let's assume that Melo is in fact "a keeper". At what price? He'll be 30 years old at the end of this season and if we give him a max he'll using up nearly half of the salary cap until he's 35.

Find a damn PG who can bring tempo to the offense and play a little D...Beno need not apply or Prigs for that matter...I really don't think it's that deep..

Again, how are we getting a good PG when we basically won't be able to sign any free agents?

OKC looked at lot like the Knicks when Westbrook went down...Durant looked at lot like Melo when Westbrook wasn't there

No, he didn't. Here is what Durant did in those playoffs and here is what Melo did. Notice that Durant scores more points, gets more rebounds, gets more assists, and shoots better from the field.

..Get Melo some help...Get rid of Amare's contract, sign a player who can take the pressure of Melo logging 40+minutes a game and three guys hanging on his shirt during a turnaround jumper...That won't happen until 2015...No need to throw out the baby with the bath water...

How are we getting Melo help with no draft picks and little cap space? And how does getting rid of Amare's contract next season help when we'd still be over the cap?

Am I crazy to say last two years is the best basketball Melo has played in his career??...U can't ask him to do more than he has done this season, even on the defensive end, can u??...I guess he can still pass more...So the answer is to trade a dollar for 4 quarters and hope one of the quarters become a dollar??..Doesn't make sense to me but it might to many...Change..

When I post or think about the Knick situation, I try to be honest with myself and address the Knicks issues with a tinge reality in mind...First off, the Knicks are not going to tank from now, going into the 2015/16 season...It won't happen...We won't get the best GM either, say the dude that run the Spurs, ain't happening...The reason the Knicks are floundering right now is Amare and his contract, you and others can ignore it but it's reality...As stated many times, we won't improve and compete until that is off the books...Trading Melo does nothing to rectify that situation...We can all keep our heads in the sand but it doesn't change anything...

Out GM has done a poor job the last two years with regards to the PG situation...I suggested this past off season we go after a CJ Watson type player who would be a vast improvement over what we currently have on the bench and given our restrictive salary structure...Watson can create more tempo and pace than what we currently have...

With regards to OKC, Durant, Knicks, Melo...OKC got bumped in the second round losing 4-1 to Memphis last year...We lost 4-2 to Indy, a better team than Memphis...Durant was putting up 23-30 shots per game...Reminds u of anything u saw last year without another star taking the pressure off the main guy???...

So your plan is to tank until 2015/16 and build around that pick..Who is he and what is his name?? how do u know he won't be garbage???...Dolan will never tank or rebuild, fact of life, fact when u begin to evaluate the Knicks...We can sit here and pretend all our problems revolve around Melo, that the previous GM and Coach was the greatest and didn't make a colossal blunder in signing Amare...Linsanity was here to save us all and Melo was the guy that blew out that flame...Again, a tinge of reality when addressing the Knicks problems..Prediction, if Felton is 100%, the Knicks will play better..Beno and Prigs are slow and don't play with pace...The lethargic Knicks need a PG that plays with pace...

often wrong but never in doubt

holfresh wrote:When I post or think about the Knick situation, I try to be honest with myself and address the Knicks issues with a tinge reality in mind...First off, the Knicks are not going to tank from now, going into the 2015/16 season...It won't happen...We won't get the best GM either, say the dude that run the Spurs, ain't happening...The reason the Knicks are floundering right now is Amare and his contract, you and others can ignore it but it's reality...As stated many times, we won't improve and compete until that is off the books...Trading Melo does nothing to rectify that situation...We can all keep our heads in the sand but it doesn't change anything...

Out GM has done a poor job the last two years with regards to the PG situation...I suggested this past off season we go after a CJ Watson type player who would be a vast improvement over what we currently have on the bench and given our restrictive salary structure...Watson can create more tempo and pace than what we currently have...

With regards to OKC, Durant, Knicks, Melo...OKC got bumped in the second round losing 4-1 to Memphis last year...We lost 4-2 to Indy, a better team than Memphis...Durant was putting up 23-30 shots per game...Reminds u of anything u saw last year without another star taking the pressure off the main guy???...

So your plan is to tank until 2015/16 and build around that pick..Who is he and what is his name?? how do u know he won't be garbage???...Dolan will never tank or rebuild, fact of life, fact when u begin to evaluate the Knicks...We can sit here and pretend all our problems revolve around Melo, that the previous GM and Coach was the greatest and didn't make a colossal blunder in signing Amare...Linsanity was here to save us all and Melo was the guy that blew out that flame...Again, a tinge of reality when addressing the Knicks problems..Prediction, if Felton is 100%, the Knicks will play better..Beno and Prigs are slow and don't play with pace...The lethargic Knicks need a PG that plays with pace...

And just my opinion: I really think the whole Melo vs. Linsanity thing was completely overblown and media-created. I'm just surprised how many people ran with it.

holfresh wrote:

dk7th wrote:

holfresh wrote:

VCoug wrote:

holfresh wrote:

misterearl wrote:Righting The Ship

holfresh - if you are the general manager for 30 minutes, do you keep Melo or start working the cel phone to gauge interest?

The problem with Knick fans is they want change for the sake of change

No, we want changes that can help us eventually compete for a championship, something that we're clearly nowhere near capable of doing with the current roster

...With these changes ushers in no foundation,

I don't know what this means

constant uncertainty,

So? I'm certain that we suck right now and, if we don't make wholesale changes, I'm certain we'll suck 5 years from now as well. I'd rather be uncertain about sucking 5 years from now instead.

zero direction,

Completely incorrect. The direction is that we'll tank in 2015 for a high lottery pick and rebuild around him and whatever highend free agent is willing to sign here in the Summer of 2015 or 2016. We then use the other draft picks we've stockpiled during this firesale and continuously bring in new, cheap talent to improve our team.

the very thing they complain about

I'm pretty sure the thing we complain about is that we're a terrible basketball team with no plan to improve

...Put a guy in charge who knows what is is to be in NY, like say Alan Houston, who has a foundation with the team and ain't going anywhere..Let him fail, change course and regroup, learn on the job..Hire a coach like Mark Jackson who knows what it is to play in NY(we love defense) and can be a leader of men( that was my argument for Jackson when Donnie was deciding between MDA, Jackson and whoever)

How about we put someone in charge who can properly evaluate talent and understands how to work the salary cap to our advantage? I'd rather they learn how to deal with NY media on the job instead of learning how to be a good GM

..Melo is a keeper..He has the thick skin to thrive in NY, not many people do...He took the blame for MDA leaving and went out on a tear...Many players will wilt in these bright lights, see Shump...Shin-Soo Choo turned down 140 mil from the Yanks and took 130 from the Rangers..Here ain't for everyone...Keep the ones who can handle it...

Let's assume that Melo is in fact "a keeper". At what price? He'll be 30 years old at the end of this season and if we give him a max he'll using up nearly half of the salary cap until he's 35.

Find a damn PG who can bring tempo to the offense and play a little D...Beno need not apply or Prigs for that matter...I really don't think it's that deep..

Again, how are we getting a good PG when we basically won't be able to sign any free agents?

OKC looked at lot like the Knicks when Westbrook went down...Durant looked at lot like Melo when Westbrook wasn't there

No, he didn't. Here is what Durant did in those playoffs and here is what Melo did. Notice that Durant scores more points, gets more rebounds, gets more assists, and shoots better from the field.

..Get Melo some help...Get rid of Amare's contract, sign a player who can take the pressure of Melo logging 40+minutes a game and three guys hanging on his shirt during a turnaround jumper...That won't happen until 2015...No need to throw out the baby with the bath water...

How are we getting Melo help with no draft picks and little cap space? And how does getting rid of Amare's contract next season help when we'd still be over the cap?

Am I crazy to say last two years is the best basketball Melo has played in his career??...U can't ask him to do more than he has done this season, even on the defensive end, can u??...I guess he can still pass more...So the answer is to trade a dollar for 4 quarters and hope one of the quarters become a dollar??..Doesn't make sense to me but it might to many...Change..

When I post or think about the Knick situation, I try to be honest with myself and address the Knicks issues with a tinge reality in mind...First off, the Knicks are not going to tank from now, going into the 2015/16 season...It won't happen...We won't get the best GM either, say the dude that run the Spurs, ain't happening...The reason the Knicks are floundering right now is Amare and his contract, you and others can ignore it but it's reality...As stated many times, we won't improve and compete until that is off the books...Trading Melo does nothing to rectify that situation...We can all keep our heads in the sand but it doesn't change anything...

Out GM has done a poor job the last two years with regards to the PG situation...I suggested this past off season we go after a CJ Watson type player who would be a vast improvement over what we currently have on the bench and given our restrictive salary structure...Watson can create more tempo and pace than what we currently have...

With regards to OKC, Durant, Knicks, Melo...OKC got bumped in the second round losing 4-1 to Memphis last year...We lost 4-2 to Indy, a better team than Memphis...Durant was putting up 23-30 shots per game...Reminds u of anything u saw last year without another star taking the pressure off the main guy???...

So your plan is to tank until 2015/16 and build around that pick..Who is he and what is his name?? how do u know he won't be garbage???...Dolan will never tank or rebuild, fact of life, fact when u begin to evaluate the Knicks...We can sit here and pretend all our problems revolve around Melo, that the previous GM and Coach was the greatest and didn't make a colossal blunder in signing Amare...Linsanity was here to save us all and Melo was the guy that blew out that flame...Again, a tinge of reality when addressing the Knicks problems..Prediction, if Felton is 100%, the Knicks will play better..Beno and Prigs are slow and don't play with pace...The lethargic Knicks need a PG that plays with pace...

often wrong but never in doubt

Maybe one day u can get the nuts to post something of substance and not these amateur/immature one liners...