H1AND1 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

tkf wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

tkf wrote:we are just a footnote, no real steam behind this, and this part of the article should put all of this to rest..

But the source said the Knicks are likely to fall short of obtaining the Houston 7-footer who has asked to be traded.

time to move on... we have nothing they want

Disagree. I think this could have legs if we pushed it.

LOL... did you read, atlanta, and a few other teams are front runners.. they have picks and players that the rockets may want.. can't push what you don't have

Are you kidding? See this for what it is. That's Berman speculating that we don't have enough -- he doesn't know. All he knows is what a little birdy told him, that the Knicks inquired about Asik. That's it. The statement you highlighted is his own thoughts, not Gospel...He doesn't know what Morey's considering. What if Morey really likes Shumpert or THJ? What if he sees value in getting Artest back for a championship push? You don't know, bro. And neither does Berman..

It's been pretty well publicized that Houston's asking price for Asik is huge. MULTIPLE 1st round picks is what they asked of Atlanta, for example. I would wager that there isnt a chance in hell we have enough for Asik. Our _only_ assets are Shump and THJ. Shump's value is pretty much at an all time low and THJ is a nice prospect but not near enough to get back a rim protecting, rebounding starting grade center. No way. Sorry man.

Well, that asking price, if true, is flat out ridiculous. Nobody's giving 2 picks away for Asik. I can't see that anyway. The Knicks don't even want to give away a pick for a starting-caliber PG in Kyle Lowry...I actually speculated above that Aldrich might actually be the better player over Asik anyway and someone who could supply the same things if ever given a chance. Aldrich could be included in this deal as a sweetener/Asik replacement too btw...Not sure what Morey thinks he has in this guy -- I don't even think he's a borderline all-star at top play. I like Asik (esp. as a Chandler replacement if we managed to move Chandler in another deal at the same time) but what I really like more in this deal is a chance to get my hands on a young asset or 2 -- Isaiah Canaan or a Greg Smith perhaps.

You never know man --- suppose everyone balks at these demands, shuts down communications with Houston yet we continue to show interest and turn out to be the last man standing so to speak. I know they want to deal the guy -- he's not happy there and wants out last I heard. Shumpert's value is low right now but I think there are still plenty of teams out there that value him and know what he can do when he's right. Right now -- NOTHING right on this Knicks team, not just Shumpert. It's been nothing but one big fat cumulative negative effect, the whole roster, not just Shumpert...Under the right circumstances, Shumpert could easily turn it around and become a productive player again... He has shown signs of coming out of it -- the game in Brooklyn recently and I thought he looked good the other night against Washington -- he did a ton of little things and he shot the ball with a lot more confidence--even his misses looked good. Shump feeds off positive energy -- there was a ton of positive energy with more Knick fans in the building than net fans in that Brooklyn game (plus Shump has an obvious dislike for KG, Pierce, Terry etc. from their Boston days) and once we turned that game around the other night against Washington before blowing it at the end, there was a ton of positive energy coming from the Garden crowd that night. Hard to blame Shump here in a way -- you gotta keep your chin up and play through adversity, but mass negativity game after game would get the better of anyone..

Finestrg wrote:

H1AND1 wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

tkf wrote:

Finestrg wrote:

tkf wrote:we are just a footnote, no real steam behind this, and this part of the article should put all of this to rest..

But the source said the Knicks are likely to fall short of obtaining the Houston 7-footer who has asked to be traded.

time to move on... we have nothing they want

Disagree. I think this could have legs if we pushed it.

LOL... did you read, atlanta, and a few other teams are front runners.. they have picks and players that the rockets may want.. can't push what you don't have

Are you kidding? See this for what it is. That's Berman speculating that we don't have enough -- he doesn't know. All he knows is what a little birdy told him, that the Knicks inquired about Asik. That's it. The statement you highlighted is his own thoughts, not Gospel...He doesn't know what Morey's considering. What if Morey really likes Shumpert or THJ? What if he sees value in getting Artest back for a championship push? You don't know, bro. And neither does Berman..

It's been pretty well publicized that Houston's asking price for Asik is huge. MULTIPLE 1st round picks is what they asked of Atlanta, for example. I would wager that there isnt a chance in hell we have enough for Asik. Our _only_ assets are Shump and THJ. Shump's value is pretty much at an all time low and THJ is a nice prospect but not near enough to get back a rim protecting, rebounding starting grade center. No way. Sorry man.

Well, that asking price, if true, is flat out ridiculous. Nobody's giving 2 picks away for Asik. I can't see that anyway. The Knicks don't even want to give away a pick for a starting-caliber PG in Kyle Lowry...I actually speculated above that Aldrich might actually be the better player over Asik anyway and someone who could supply the same things if ever given a chance. Aldrich could be included in this deal as a sweetener/Asik replacement too btw...Not sure what Morey thinks he has in this guy -- I don't even think he's a borderline all-star at top play. I like Asik (esp. as a Chandler replacement if we managed to move Chandler in another deal at the same time) but what I really like more in this deal is a chance to get my hands on a young asset or 2 -- Isaiah Canaan or a Greg Smith perhaps.

You never know man --- suppose everyone balks at these demands, shuts down communications with Houston yet we continue to show interest and turn out to be the last man standing so to speak. I know they want to deal the guy -- he's not happy there and wants out last I heard. Shumpert's value is low right now but I think there are still plenty of teams out there that value him and know what he can do when he's right. Right now -- NOTHING right on this Knicks team, not just Shumpert. It's been nothing but one big fat cumulative negative effect, the whole roster, not just Shumpert...Under the right circumstances, Shumpert could easily turn it around and become a productive player once again... He has shown signs of coming out of it -- the game in Brooklyn and I thought he looked good the other night against Washington -- he did a ton of little things and he shot the ball with a lot more confidence--even his misses looked good.

when you are dealing from a position of strength, you can ask ridiculous prices...

just think of our dealings with morey, the jeffries deal..

how about the deal to get a 40 year old broken down camby.. we had to give up Jorts, Jordan, Douglas( which the rockets made us pay his salary) and two future second round picks..

I mean WOW... just think what he will get from us for asik if we had it..... we don't have what he wants..

Finestrg wrote:Hey man, maybe you're right. Maybe there's no deal here with Houston for Asik.

Also, it would be hard to execute a big trade with New Orleans involving Tyson Chandler -- we would have to take back a longterm salary like Tyreke Evans or Eric Gordon. If we did that, we'd be adding a ton of future salary to the cap and in effect killing any shot at a 2015 rebuild.

How about this small deal with New Orleans though -

Cole Aldrich + cash for the rights to PG Pierre Jackson + a future 2nd round pick.

I think that's a deal that helps both clubs. We'd get a real nice PG prospect to move forward with. New Orleans is down Anthony Davis and supposedly actively looking for a big man (just read this morning that they're looking at signing Frenchman Alexis Ajinca). Cole Aldrich has game -- you can't go by how Mike Woodson's misused him here. This dude was a true presence for the Kansas Jayhawks and a former lottery pick. Too bad Woody hasn't been using him -- it only would've raised awareness about him and upped his worth and appeal. When you get right down to it -- if they never planned to play this kid, even once Chandler went down, he should've been down in the DL for Erie playing 30+ mins a night raising his value...I think I'd even do this deal for just Jackson -- they could keep their pick. And why not use our yearly cash allotment here? Cash always seems to be appealing to small market teams -- I might go as high as $3mm here. Why not? $3mm alone will not get us a 1st round pick in next summer's draft. I don't even think it'll get us a 2nd rounder. Why not use it now on a real good-looking up & coming PG prospect, a guy who's DOMINATING the NBDL?

We could also try the same deal with Houston -

Aldrich + cash for Isaiah Canaan. Aldrich could be appealing to them if they wind up dealing away Asik and don't bring back a big man.

Bottom line -- it'd be nice to come away with a nice young PG upgrade here somehow.

yea, those are deals you start with. I have no problem with the aldrich deal.. it gets us a PG to look at for a year.. but it won't make sense to bury him on the bench behind felton.. which is why cleaning house is so important..

Tyreke evans deal is just too large. I am not against taking back young talent on the books, but not at that amount..

I would love to get our hands on MKG from the bobcats...I like his all around game... throw him at SF, THJ at SG, and let those guys run next year.. see what you have.. if we suck, we actually have our pick.... we have to stop cheating the process, that is all I am saying..

if we are in a good position and a young potential star is available for the right price, then you can make such a deal, but you will be doing so from a position of strength as well... Houston was able to trade picks they got in other deals and a player in martin they didn't want to get harden..

we need to be in position to make fair deals....

let me just throw this out there.. next year, shumpert, THJ and lets say we had a guy like Michael kidd gilchrest.. MKG.... lets say all of them pretty much have a good year.. well you have 3 young guys on cheap deals and your own pick... don't be fooled for a minute, teams will notice and those guys will have value.. now you know you have redundant players, all young , all good, you can make deals that YOU want, and not fleece your talent pool.... that with picks and an owner not scared to spend, we should be crushing the league. instead we are a damn joke.. that has to stop!!!!!!!!!!

smackeddog wrote:Looking like Morey's attempts to inflate Asik's value have failed- a few teams have dropped out of the running. Might get a first rounder from Boston but have to take on the bad contract of Lee and Bass.

At the end of the day he's okay but way over paid next year

Remember though that since he signed a poison pill contract as a RFA his cap hit next season is only 8 million. Not bad at all for a starting caliber center.

I also think guys here are undervaluing Asik. Dude is a good defender who can grab 10+ rebounds a game easily with starters minutes. Not a lot of guys who can protect the rim like Asik can. A guy like Shump gets SO overrated by Knicks fans by comparison if we had Asik people would be creaming their jeans over him. Guarantee it.

Swishfm3 wrote:Who ever gets Asik will be overpaying. Very good defender and rebounder…thats about it.

I'm reading now that Houston is trying to attach Lin to any Asik deal. Let the journey begin

I've read that apparently teams just aren't interested in Lin, which Surprises me- he's played well this season. Are we just sentimentally attached to Lin that we still over estimate him?

Swishfm3 wrote:Who ever gets Asik will be overpaying. Very good defender and rebounder…thats about it.

I'm reading now that Houston is trying to attach Lin to any Asik deal. Let the journey begin

smackeddog wrote:

Swishfm3 wrote:Who ever gets Asik will be overpaying. Very good defender and rebounder…thats about it.

I'm reading now that Houston is trying to attach Lin to any Asik deal. Let the journey begin

I've read that apparently teams just aren't interested in Lin, which Surprises me- he's played well this season. Are we just sentimentally attached to Lin that we still over estimate him?

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