MS wrote:Not having our pick this year is an absolute killer.

I like the idea of getting multiple picks from the Suns and sending Melo to LA for a pick and then shipping Blake to the to Suns. Not a franchise talent so no reason to hold onto him.

Flip Tyson and for Jeremy Lamb and pick or something along those lines or if you want do the Gasol deal and clear the space so there are no contracts in 2015.

There is really very little this team can do. It's amazing how ****ing stupid this franchise is, that it allowed this to happen again.

We have been all saying Marbury all over again and some have called that prediction crazy. Here we are, the weakest conference in 10 years and we are not making it to the playoffs. You don't win with bloated salaries one dimensional me first players that don't have bball IQ's.

It's time to reload with young players. Send Shumpert to Utah for Gobert.

tj23 wrote:No disrespect but I think some of these scenarios are pointless. I don't see us ever trading Melo unless he truly demands a deal. He's not going to the Suns lol. Maybe we can make lateral moves but we aren't rebuilding, we are't getting picks. That's just not Dolan's style. I guess it's nice to fantasize for some of you. Melo is playing really good right now but I guess it's easy to put the L's on him. His % is rising and he's getting 9 boards a game on the second slowest paced team in the league. I would try to find more capable offensive players to put around Melo who are intelligent. This team is lost with help defense. To cure that, they need a roster shakeup/new coach, but nobody wants to see Herb again, not even Dolan. This team has potential defensively but they are so lost I think it's pointless. Maybe Lowry is the right move at the moment. Unless we can steal Lin back(lol no way in hell especially with Dolan's ego)

Were going down the gutter regardless. Keeping Melo and Chandler--it does nothing long term but keep the same team in place with aging players who make even more cash. Maybe the worst thing to happen to the team was having that peak year last year. We do not have a sustainable business model--its been proven since James Dolan has been here. He trades young players for a *star* type and thats his answer.

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

tkf wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:OK. We really have no other options but to blow this **** up. Melo is our biggest asset and I believe he still has a lot of value. Here are some scenarios where we would get respectable right away.

Trade with Houston
NY Receives - Asik, Lin, Terence Jones, Greg Smith, 2014 1st Round Pick(25th), 2014 2nd Round Pick(33rd), Future 1st Rounder
Houston Receives - Melo

Why would the Knicks do it? We get a 3 starters and a quality backup PF plus picks. Rebuild done in 1 swift motion.
Why would Houston do it? Rockets look good right now but they falter against the top teams in the League. They need that other offensive option after Harden. Parsons is great but you need another closer. A starting 5 of Dwight, Melo, Parsons, Harden and Beverley would be downright scary. Plus they still have a very good bench in Brooks, Garcia, Montiejunas, Casspi and Brewer. They also have a very good DLeague team in the Vipers that they can raid for bench players.

Trade with the Clippers
NY Receives - Blake Griffin, Jared Dudley, BJ Mullens, 2014 1st Round Pick, Future 1st Round Pick.
Clippers Receive - Melo

Why would the Knicks do it? We get a lower tier superstar to replace Melo. A serviceable SF and PF/C and some picks. Not as dynamic an option as the Houston trade but this would also fix us a little.
Why would the Clippers do it? CP3, Melo, Jordan, JJ Reddick and Jamal Crawford. That is a dynamic lineup. You still got Barnes, Hollins and Collison in the bench.

Any other blow up scenarios you guys have?

bocker, you are a good poster man, but neither teams does that.. they are not giving up multiple picks and that kind of talent for crmelo.. no way no how..

I am sure the clips would say no just for blake alone...

Clips would do Melo for Griffin so fast it would make your head spin. They'd probably give us Griffin and a pick or 2 if we put it on the table. Griffin was awesome in that fixed dunk contest, but no chance they wouldn't do that. Paul would love it, so would Melo. Griffin would probably take his own like after a few months here in NY. We all saw how well he reacted to the fact that he brings literally nothing to the table when people are actually playing defense and a few people has the balls to call him out.

Honestly, there is no real response to this type of post.. LOL.

tkf wrote:

VCoug wrote:

tkf wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:OK. We really have no other options but to blow this **** up. Melo is our biggest asset and I believe he still has a lot of value. Here are some scenarios where we would get respectable right away.

Trade with Houston
NY Receives - Asik, Lin, Terence Jones, Greg Smith, 2014 1st Round Pick(25th), 2014 2nd Round Pick(33rd), Future 1st Rounder
Houston Receives - Melo

Why would the Knicks do it? We get a 3 starters and a quality backup PF plus picks. Rebuild done in 1 swift motion.
Why would Houston do it? Rockets look good right now but they falter against the top teams in the League. They need that other offensive option after Harden. Parsons is great but you need another closer. A starting 5 of Dwight, Melo, Parsons, Harden and Beverley would be downright scary. Plus they still have a very good bench in Brooks, Garcia, Montiejunas, Casspi and Brewer. They also have a very good DLeague team in the Vipers that they can raid for bench players.

Trade with the Clippers
NY Receives - Blake Griffin, Jared Dudley, BJ Mullens, 2014 1st Round Pick, Future 1st Round Pick.
Clippers Receive - Melo

Why would the Knicks do it? We get a lower tier superstar to replace Melo. A serviceable SF and PF/C and some picks. Not as dynamic an option as the Houston trade but this would also fix us a little.
Why would the Clippers do it? CP3, Melo, Jordan, JJ Reddick and Jamal Crawford. That is a dynamic lineup. You still got Barnes, Hollins and Collison in the bench.

Any other blow up scenarios you guys have?

bocker, you are a good poster man, but neither teams does that.. they are not giving up multiple picks and that kind of talent for crmelo.. no way no how..

I am sure the clips would say no just for blake alone...

I'm not sure about that. LAC would do almost anything to keep CP3 happy and he and Melo are friends and there have been a couple reports that he doesn't get along with Blake. There have also been a couple of recent reports talking about Donald Sterling looking at Melo as a bigger star than Blake and that getting Melo would help them get more money when they negotiate their television rights. If we were an intelligently run organisation we should at least be reaching out to them to see if there is a deal to be made. I would jump at an offer of Blake + a couple of picks and then see if we could move Blake to Phoenix for two or three of the 1st rounders in 2014 plus cap filler.

Blake is younger than CP3 if sterling was worried about star power, why not go with the younger star.... CP3 wants to win, him and melo being friends has nothing to do with winning... In Knick world carmelo is a star, in the real world people go to see Blake griffin...

clippers would not do blake for carmelo straight up.. unless you want to see riots in LA...

CrushAlot wrote:

tkf wrote:

VCoug wrote:

tkf wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:OK. We really have no other options but to blow this **** up. Melo is our biggest asset and I believe he still has a lot of value. Here are some scenarios where we would get respectable right away.

Trade with Houston
NY Receives - Asik, Lin, Terence Jones, Greg Smith, 2014 1st Round Pick(25th), 2014 2nd Round Pick(33rd), Future 1st Rounder
Houston Receives - Melo

Why would the Knicks do it? We get a 3 starters and a quality backup PF plus picks. Rebuild done in 1 swift motion.
Why would Houston do it? Rockets look good right now but they falter against the top teams in the League. They need that other offensive option after Harden. Parsons is great but you need another closer. A starting 5 of Dwight, Melo, Parsons, Harden and Beverley would be downright scary. Plus they still have a very good bench in Brooks, Garcia, Montiejunas, Casspi and Brewer. They also have a very good DLeague team in the Vipers that they can raid for bench players.

Trade with the Clippers
NY Receives - Blake Griffin, Jared Dudley, BJ Mullens, 2014 1st Round Pick, Future 1st Round Pick.
Clippers Receive - Melo

Why would the Knicks do it? We get a lower tier superstar to replace Melo. A serviceable SF and PF/C and some picks. Not as dynamic an option as the Houston trade but this would also fix us a little.
Why would the Clippers do it? CP3, Melo, Jordan, JJ Reddick and Jamal Crawford. That is a dynamic lineup. You still got Barnes, Hollins and Collison in the bench.

Any other blow up scenarios you guys have?

bocker, you are a good poster man, but neither teams does that.. they are not giving up multiple picks and that kind of talent for crmelo.. no way no how..

I am sure the clips would say no just for blake alone...

I'm not sure about that. LAC would do almost anything to keep CP3 happy and he and Melo are friends and there have been a couple reports that he doesn't get along with Blake. There have also been a couple of recent reports talking about Donald Sterling looking at Melo as a bigger star than Blake and that getting Melo would help them get more money when they negotiate their television rights. If we were an intelligently run organisation we should at least be reaching out to them to see if there is a deal to be made. I would jump at an offer of Blake + a couple of picks and then see if we could move Blake to Phoenix for two or three of the 1st rounders in 2014 plus cap filler.

Blake is younger than CP3 if sterling was worried about star power, why not go with the younger star.... CP3 wants to win, him and melo being friends has nothing to do with winning... In Knick world carmelo is a star, in the real world people go to see Blake griffin...

clippers would not do blake for carmelo straight up.. unless you want to see riots in LA...

The Knicks need to stay away from a melo for Blake deal. Also, Melo on the Clips is a big improvement over Blake in my opinion. A melo/paul tandem would be very hard to stop.

Actually you mean it would be hard for them stopping anyone?

CP3 would die of boredom having to dribble down court and hand the ball to carmelo and watch him jab step to the oldies...

sorry that tandem would get them eliminated in the first round... that is the western confrence..

honestly I could care less what happens to the clippers as long as he is off this team. I am good..

Oh why do you guys keep talking this stuff? Melo ain't going nowhere. Why do you do this to yourself? Stop it please. Melo will be here for the next 6 years. Get over it. We will build around him. Melo aint the problem. Melo is carring this team on his back. I remember when everyone wanted Ewing gone. Look what happened. I guarantee if Melo goes we will go back to the dark ages again. We was never good in the drafts and we sell our young for cheap. Talk about Dolan going not Melo. I have to laugh at these Melo trade ideas. Please think of something more positive. Don't be surprised if Zeke comes back maybe work with the point guards.

VCoug wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Oh why do you guys keep talking this stuff? Melo ain't going nowhere. Why do you do this to yourself? Stop it please. Melo will be here for the next 6 years. Get over it. We will build around him. Melo aint the problem. Melo is carring this team on his back. I remember when everyone wanted Ewing gone. Look what happened. I guarantee if Melo goes we will go back to the dark ages again. We was never good in the drafts and we sell our young for cheap. Talk about Dolan going not Melo. I have to laugh at these Melo trade ideas. Please think of something more positive. Don't be surprised if Zeke comes back maybe work with the point guards.

I want you to look at what we've done this year. Melo had "carried" us to a 7-17 record, 4th worst in the league. The dark ages aren't coming back, they're here.

Papabear Says

No not yet. This team will come back. Have faith. When this team win 5 in a row you guys will have a change of heart. Stop crying I've seen worse.

tkf wrote:

SwishAndDish13 wrote:

tkf wrote:

NYKBocker wrote:OK. We really have no other options but to blow this **** up. Melo is our biggest asset and I believe he still has a lot of value. Here are some scenarios where we would get respectable right away.

Trade with Houston
NY Receives - Asik, Lin, Terence Jones, Greg Smith, 2014 1st Round Pick(25th), 2014 2nd Round Pick(33rd), Future 1st Rounder
Houston Receives - Melo

Why would the Knicks do it? We get a 3 starters and a quality backup PF plus picks. Rebuild done in 1 swift motion.
Why would Houston do it? Rockets look good right now but they falter against the top teams in the League. They need that other offensive option after Harden. Parsons is great but you need another closer. A starting 5 of Dwight, Melo, Parsons, Harden and Beverley would be downright scary. Plus they still have a very good bench in Brooks, Garcia, Montiejunas, Casspi and Brewer. They also have a very good DLeague team in the Vipers that they can raid for bench players.

Trade with the Clippers
NY Receives - Blake Griffin, Jared Dudley, BJ Mullens, 2014 1st Round Pick, Future 1st Round Pick.
Clippers Receive - Melo

Why would the Knicks do it? We get a lower tier superstar to replace Melo. A serviceable SF and PF/C and some picks. Not as dynamic an option as the Houston trade but this would also fix us a little.
Why would the Clippers do it? CP3, Melo, Jordan, JJ Reddick and Jamal Crawford. That is a dynamic lineup. You still got Barnes, Hollins and Collison in the bench.

Any other blow up scenarios you guys have?

bocker, you are a good poster man, but neither teams does that.. they are not giving up multiple picks and that kind of talent for crmelo.. no way no how..

I am sure the clips would say no just for blake alone...

Clips would do Melo for Griffin so fast it would make your head spin. They'd probably give us Griffin and a pick or 2 if we put it on the table. Griffin was awesome in that fixed dunk contest, but no chance they wouldn't do that. Paul would love it, so would Melo. Griffin would probably take his own like after a few months here in NY. We all saw how well he reacted to the fact that he brings literally nothing to the table when people are actually playing defense and a few people has the balls to call him out.

Honestly, there is no real response to this type of post.. LOL.

Aka - You can't come up with one. Griffin has a lot of potential. No denying that. Nobody is saying he is garbage but he is very limited offensively without Paul and an overrated defensive player. His lack of ability to play fundamental basketball in the half court has been the reason they went down the last 2 years. Enough with your irrational anti-Melo posts.

Papabear wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Oh why do you guys keep talking this stuff? Melo ain't going nowhere. Why do you do this to yourself? Stop it please. Melo will be here for the next 6 years. Get over it. We will build around him. Melo aint the problem. Melo is carring this team on his back. I remember when everyone wanted Ewing gone. Look what happened. I guarantee if Melo goes we will go back to the dark ages again. We was never good in the drafts and we sell our young for cheap. Talk about Dolan going not Melo. I have to laugh at these Melo trade ideas. Please think of something more positive. Don't be surprised if Zeke comes back maybe work with the point guards.

I want you to look at what we've done this year. Melo had "carried" us to a 7-17 record, 4th worst in the league. The dark ages aren't coming back, they're here.

Papabear Says

No not yet. This team will come back. Have faith. When this team win 5 in a row you guys will have a change of heart. Stop crying I've seen worse.

None of us have seen much worse than this. We're on pace for 23 wins which would tie for the 4th worst finish in team history. 1960, 1962, and 1963 are the only years that we finished worse.

VCoug wrote:

Papabear wrote:

VCoug wrote:

Papabear wrote:Papabear Says

Oh why do you guys keep talking this stuff? Melo ain't going nowhere. Why do you do this to yourself? Stop it please. Melo will be here for the next 6 years. Get over it. We will build around him. Melo aint the problem. Melo is carring this team on his back. I remember when everyone wanted Ewing gone. Look what happened. I guarantee if Melo goes we will go back to the dark ages again. We was never good in the drafts and we sell our young for cheap. Talk about Dolan going not Melo. I have to laugh at these Melo trade ideas. Please think of something more positive. Don't be surprised if Zeke comes back maybe work with the point guards.

I want you to look at what we've done this year. Melo had "carried" us to a 7-17 record, 4th worst in the league. The dark ages aren't coming back, they're here.

Papabear Says

No not yet. This team will come back. Have faith. When this team win 5 in a row you guys will have a change of heart. Stop crying I've seen worse.

None of us have seen much worse than this. We're on pace for 23 wins which would tie for the 4th worst finish in team history. 1960, 1962, and 1963 are the only years that we finished worse.

The on pace thing never makes a ton of sense (like when baseball players are on pace for 200 RBIs a quarter through the season). Baring an injury, given the remaining schedule 23 wins would be a real stretch without Melo getting hurt. That being said, they do have one of the worst backcourts anybody has ever seen so who knows.