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Knixkik
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12/15/2013  12:58 PM
Yes Timmy is the perfect SG for this team moving forward.
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12/15/2013  1:02 PM
So happy for the kid. Bullock (who I wanted over Hardaway JR) is getting DNP's and Hardaway is just playing great. Hopefully he comes around on Defense. I think he will once he fills out in a couple of years.

I hope, really hope, we can trade JR and bring in some more intelligent AND athletic players (preferably two way).
We just need a PG now. Tyson about to come back, I really think we turn things around here shortly.

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12/15/2013  1:42 PM
tim can shoot, but how is he on d? i havent' seen anything too promising.

he doesnt' seem as emotional and sensitive as shump, so that's good.
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12/15/2013  2:07 PM
CrushAlot wrote:
Clean wrote:
Vmart wrote:That is why I feel that Shump is expendable same with JR Smith who I can't stand I think this guy everything but professional.

No way can I think shump is expendable with JR being the only other SG on the team. We might still have a small chance with shump if the coach apologizes and we don't trade him. JR is a lost cause and will continue to be a cancer. Shump being here made it possible for us to bench JR last night.

Not sure how that apology goes. Sorry I was forced to keep Chris and the front office told me JR was a starter? Now stop throwing up air balls three times a night.

It should be pretty easy. He can start with the double standards. You can also cover wanting to give shumps spot as a starter to a player who just came off surgery, played 1 preseason game and played as total negative in the playoffs. Shump misses a rotation he gets yelled at benched. Melo or JR does that he says nothing and gives them near 40 minutes a game. He was the man who when he first got the job said he would hold EVERYONE accountable. The only people he held accountable are the lower tier players.

STAT has horrid D and plays as much as his body can take. Cope has horrid D and goes 10 games without seeing the floor. Look at the pacers series last year. STAT hurt the team and Cope helped but he put STAT in more than Cope. Shump goes 1 for 7 in the same game JR goes 3 for 17 and only Shump gets yelled at. This is what creates resentments in a locker room.

Sorry if there are typos I am trying to also watch some football games.
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12/15/2013  2:14 PM
I agree, he's a legit NBA player. I bashed him a bit when we drafted him but I'll happily eat crow.
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12/15/2013  8:29 PM
The thing is will he develop? The Knicks have not developed any players over the past few years. THe last one would be Lee. Shumpert is an incomplete at this time. hill?
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12/15/2013  8:29 PM
The thing is will he develop? The Knicks have not developed any players over the past few years. THe last one would be Lee. Shumpert is an incomplete at this time. hill?
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12/15/2013  8:37 PM
EnySpree wrote:The man can shoot. He's not afraid and he pays hard and with heart. He possesses a killer instinct.

He will improve because he understands his legacy. He knows people talk and he wants to be more than just timmys son.

right now he screams 6th man to me, nice role player off the bench until he diversifies his game a bit more...

I am not sure with how understanding his legacy will improve his game, it is not like his dad was MJ or magic...

do you not think that luke walton understood who his father was? not sure that is any reason to believe that THJ will be the player you want him to become...

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12/15/2013  8:40 PM
GoNyGoNyGo wrote:The thing is will he develop? The Knicks have not developed any players over the past few years. THe last one would be Lee. Shumpert is an incomplete at this time. hill?

Agree with the general point, but you'd have to add Gallo, Chandler and Nate in there too as players developed.
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12/15/2013  9:03 PM
wasn't that Iman

or Fields

or

Wilson Chandler

or Nate

or TD

or Ariza

Get my point, i can go on and on, not trying to bash you, or anyone, but at this point it is what it is, unless we make some serious moves in terms of management, if not
we will continue to starphuq with Dolan at the drivers seat
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12/16/2013  4:42 AM
I know there were some who weren't that big on THJ, but he was more of a blue chip type prospect than Shump. Shump got attention with his combine performance. Teams were stunned by his physical talent. However, THJ was part of a winning team and had a prime role. He's VERY athletic, but for some reason people didn't give him credit for how fast he is, his vert is very respectable and his skills were there already coming out of college. The only real issue was he didn't have freakish long arms and his handle was great, tho not as bad as some said. He still has upside to his game.
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12/16/2013  4:58 AM    LAST EDITED: 12/16/2013  5:17 AM
tkf wrote:
EnySpree wrote:The man can shoot. He's not afraid and he pays hard and with heart. He possesses a killer instinct.

He will improve because he understands his legacy. He knows people talk and he wants to be more than just timmys son.

right now he screams 6th man to me, nice role player off the bench until he diversifies his game a bit more...

I am not sure with how understanding his legacy will improve his game, it is not like his dad was MJ or magic...

do you not think that luke walton understood who his father was? not sure that is any reason to believe that THJ will be the player you want him to become...

The Barry kids I think all had their own identity and we're all content at who they were. Luke and his brothers knew they weren't that good. Ive never heard any of them say they wanted to be better than their dads or say he wanted to establish his own legacy. Tim talks about that and I think the dude is driven being tim hardaway jr. Patrick Ewing jr never spoke like that. He was on a different vibe when talking about his dad. He was more humble to what his dad did and wasn't really effected. Msg tried to give him a shot to play for his dad's team, but I think that's all he was content with. Just playing a role in the nba. Hardaway has the vibe that he wants to be more than that. It's something that drives him

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12/16/2013  11:07 AM
EnySpree wrote:
tkf wrote:
EnySpree wrote:The man can shoot. He's not afraid and he pays hard and with heart. He possesses a killer instinct.

He will improve because he understands his legacy. He knows people talk and he wants to be more than just timmys son.

right now he screams 6th man to me, nice role player off the bench until he diversifies his game a bit more...

I am not sure with how understanding his legacy will improve his game, it is not like his dad was MJ or magic...

do you not think that luke walton understood who his father was? not sure that is any reason to believe that THJ will be the player you want him to become...

The Barry kids I think all had their own identity and we're all content at who they were. Luke and his brothers knew they weren't that good. Ive never heard any of them say they wanted to be better than their dads or say he wanted to establish his own legacy. Tim talks about that and I think the dude is driven being tim hardaway jr. Patrick Ewing jr never spoke like that. He was on a different vibe when talking about his dad. He was more humble to what his dad did and wasn't really effected. Msg tried to give him a shot to play for his dad's team, but I think that's all he was content with. Just playing a role in the nba. Hardaway has the vibe that he wants to be more than that. It's something that drives him

Luke's Dad is a legend. Tim Hardaway isn't... LUke understood who his dad was and wanted to cut his own path... what you are saying really has no effect on how good a player is going to be.. either youi want to be good or not, has nothing to do with who your dad was. Every player I am sure wants to establish his own legacy... would you argue that they don't?

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12/16/2013  11:12 AM
I don't think his dad has anything to do with THJ other than the fact that he has NBA genetics - whatever that means

Bottom line is THJ has one skillset he excels at - his jumper - which means he should be anble to stick around the league for a while. maybe he isn't anything more than Martell Webster but I'll take Martell Webster on a rookie contract

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12/16/2013  11:19 AM
SupremeCommander wrote:I don't think his dad has anything to do with THJ other than the fact that he has NBA genetics - whatever that means

Bottom line is THJ has one skillset he excels at - his jumper - which means he should be anble to stick around the league for a while. maybe he isn't anything more than Martell Webster but I'll take Martell Webster on a rookie contract

exactly.. too early to tell what he will be for us, especially since so far, all he has shown is that he can shoot.. I want to see more...

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12/16/2013  12:13 PM
The kid shows a good feel for the jumper. although I"ve seen some puzzling misses. Definitely hoping to see increased awareness on defense and losing that wind-up and Hallelujah thing e likes to do on somebody else's made 3.
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12/16/2013  12:24 PM
earthmansurfer wrote:So happy for the kid. Bullock (who I wanted over Hardaway JR) is getting DNP's and Hardaway is just playing great. Hopefully he comes around on Defense. I think he will once he fills out in a couple of years.

I hope, really hope, we can trade JR and bring in some more intelligent AND athletic players (preferably two way).
We just need a PG now. Tyson about to come back, I really think we turn things around here shortly.

Same here on Bullock and Hardaway.

Hopefully JR does the "Hey I've matured" thing, gets a few 20+ games and we trade him and his scrub brother.

Wish I could feel as optimistic about turning it around. If Woody used his brain, Murry would get some time to D up Wall tonight.
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12/16/2013  1:07 PM
sealy wrote:
earthmansurfer wrote:So happy for the kid. Bullock (who I wanted over Hardaway JR) is getting DNP's and Hardaway is just playing great. Hopefully he comes around on Defense. I think he will once he fills out in a couple of years.

I hope, really hope, we can trade JR and bring in some more intelligent AND athletic players (preferably two way).
We just need a PG now. Tyson about to come back, I really think we turn things around here shortly.

Same here on Bullock and Hardaway.

Hopefully JR does the "Hey I've matured" thing, gets a few 20+ games and we trade him and his scrub brother.

Wish I could feel as optimistic about turning it around. If Woody used his brain, Murry would get some time to D up Wall tonight.

Would love to meet the franchise that would want to take Chris Smith off our hands...
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12/16/2013  1:45 PM
SupremeCommander wrote:I don't think his dad has anything to do with THJ other than the fact that he has NBA genetics - whatever that means

Bottom line is THJ has one skillset he excels at - his jumper - which means he should be anble to stick around the league for a while. maybe he isn't anything more than Martell Webster but I'll take Martell Webster on a rookie contract

Actually two, finishing in transition. Also, there is a difference between a spot up shooter(Webster) and a guy who can spot up and run off multiple screens(Allen, Redick, Korver, & formerly JR). I think Redick would be a good guy to mold his game after. It took sometime with Redick but he became a better defender and I think THJr has more athletic tools to help him on D. Plus he seems to have some PnR capabilities which is good. He could develop into a secondary ball handler. However he seems to have a few gunner tendencies which is good and bad. It has decreased a bit but it surfaces at times. He is a rookie so that comes with the flor. Overall, he has a good base and has so far been a good pick up.
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12/16/2013  2:51 PM
yellowboy90 wrote:
SupremeCommander wrote:I don't think his dad has anything to do with THJ other than the fact that he has NBA genetics - whatever that means

Bottom line is THJ has one skillset he excels at - his jumper - which means he should be anble to stick around the league for a while. maybe he isn't anything more than Martell Webster but I'll take Martell Webster on a rookie contract

Actually two, finishing in transition. Also, there is a difference between a spot up shooter(Webster) and a guy who can spot up and run off multiple screens(Allen, Redick, Korver, & formerly JR). I think Redick would be a good guy to mold his game after. It took sometime with Redick but he became a better defender and I think THJr has more athletic tools to help him on D. Plus he seems to have some PnR capabilities which is good. He could develop into a secondary ball handler. However he seems to have a few gunner tendencies which is good and bad. It has decreased a bit but it surfaces at times. He is a rookie so that comes with the flor. Overall, he has a good base and has so far been a good pick up.

Would also like to see THJ develop a floater or better pull-up J. He has shown a decent first step, but he has difficulty finishing at the rim.

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