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nyk4ever
Posts: 41010 Alba Posts: 12 Joined: 1/12/2005 Member: #848 USA |
12/17/2013 8:58 AM
fishmike wrote:nyk4ever wrote:how about he got a career year out of JR and despite a revolving door of injuries coach the Knicks to 54 wins. He took Melo out of a position he played his whole career, moved him to PF and he wins his first scoring title. Did everything happen last year inspite of Woody?fishmike wrote:playa2 wrote:Dan dummy, Chaney, Wilkins, I-say-uh, Damphony, Wilkins... you really think its the coach? You have to be kidding menyk4ever wrote:how long we gonna wait for woodson to get canned. nobody that comes in here is going to have a full deck to work with, but woodson is awful. i don't care about how many games he won in atlanta, they were a talented team. they clearly won in spite of him there and here last year. please, let's get a new voice in here. i dont disagree with anything in your post fish. yes, he absolutely did get a career year out of jr last year - i honestly think it being a contract year helped in that regard, but nonetheless, woody has to get credit too and you're absolutely right theres a million problems with this team, PG being first and foremost. the offense sucks because there is no pg. hopefully we'll go after lowry now (within reason) since prigs is hurt. i guess with me, im just looking to see something.. ANYTHING different about this team and i guess changing the coach is really the only thing we can do to shuffle it up. consider me jaded, i suppose. "OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
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fishmike
Posts: 53864 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
12/17/2013 8:58 AM
playa2 wrote:agree. In high school. Maybe even on the plantation. NBA? Really? I thought you actually followed the league.fishmike wrote:playa2 wrote:Dan dummy, Chaney, Wilkins, I-say-uh, Damphony, Wilkins... you really think its the coach? You have to be kidding menyk4ever wrote:how long we gonna wait for woodson to get canned. nobody that comes in here is going to have a full deck to work with, but woodson is awful. i don't care about how many games he won in atlanta, they were a talented team. they clearly won in spite of him there and here last year. please, let's get a new voice in here. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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nyk4ever
Posts: 41010 Alba Posts: 12 Joined: 1/12/2005 Member: #848 USA |
12/17/2013 8:58 AM
gunsnewing wrote:What's the alternative sit back and enjoy 7-17 sorry bro, but this is still the epitome of stupidity to me. "OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
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fishmike
Posts: 53864 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
12/17/2013 9:02 AM
nyk4ever wrote:well your right there. Im not even disagreeing with you, just calling it like I see it and playing a little devil's advocate. Your 100% right.. you cant fire the players, so you fire the coach and hope the next guy has a voice that gets through to these guys. Rinse wash repeat.fishmike wrote:nyk4ever wrote:how about he got a career year out of JR and despite a revolving door of injuries coach the Knicks to 54 wins. He took Melo out of a position he played his whole career, moved him to PF and he wins his first scoring title. Did everything happen last year inspite of Woody?fishmike wrote:playa2 wrote:Dan dummy, Chaney, Wilkins, I-say-uh, Damphony, Wilkins... you really think its the coach? You have to be kidding menyk4ever wrote:how long we gonna wait for woodson to get canned. nobody that comes in here is going to have a full deck to work with, but woodson is awful. i don't care about how many games he won in atlanta, they were a talented team. they clearly won in spite of him there and here last year. please, let's get a new voice in here. I will say this.. if we ever got a coach who became a big time coaching talent do you think he would stay? Those guys are control freaks. You think this MSG environment can sustain anything but a corporate yes man at that position? "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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gunsnewing
Posts: 55076 Alba Posts: 5 Joined: 2/24/2002 Member: #215 USA |
12/17/2013 9:02 AM LAST EDITED: 12/17/2013 9:34 AM
That's a good point playa. Woodson does the opposite and therefore he loses the whole team in favor of Melo and JR. Although he finally held JR accountable recently. Melo will never be held accountable. He is the most powerful man in the organization besides Dolan
Accountability is just one small aspect though. The bigger aspect is How Woodson is out coached by just about every coach in the league. Teams that have far less talent than these Knicks have more wins and show more heart and collective spirit. How do you get blown out twice to a rebuilding Celtic team in such a short period of time By the way the Celtics are in rebuilding mode and they are still better than the pathetic knicks |
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playa2
Posts: 34922 Alba Posts: 15 Joined: 5/15/2003 Member: #407 |
12/17/2013 9:05 AM LAST EDITED: 12/17/2013 9:12 AM
fishmike wrote:playa2 wrote:agree. In high school. Maybe even on the plantation. NBA? Really? I thought you actually followed the league.fishmike wrote:playa2 wrote:Dan dummy, Chaney, Wilkins, I-say-uh, Damphony, Wilkins... you really think its the coach? You have to be kidding menyk4ever wrote:how long we gonna wait for woodson to get canned. nobody that comes in here is going to have a full deck to work with, but woodson is awful. i don't care about how many games he won in atlanta, they were a talented team. they clearly won in spite of him there and here last year. please, let's get a new voice in here. Look at the teams who's coach wins titles, the coach is the guy who sets the standard when they discipline the leagues best players when they aren't playing the right way. Players play, they can't see how they are playing , but the coach does along wiith the asst coaches and the players on the bench. The real coaches who have a set, will set the culture on playing to the teams strengths, not letting players do what they like when it's the headcoach holds the minutes the players play. It's a win win situation for the team and organization. Now for the player who chooses not to conform , he can go to JAIL unless he has a no trade clause !
JAMES DOLAN on Isiah : He's a good friend of mine and of the organization and I will continue to solicit his views. He will always have strong ties to me and the team.
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nyk4ever
Posts: 41010 Alba Posts: 12 Joined: 1/12/2005 Member: #848 USA |
12/17/2013 9:30 AM LAST EDITED: 12/17/2013 9:31 AM
fishmike wrote:nyk4ever wrote:well your right there. Im not even disagreeing with you, just calling it like I see it and playing a little devil's advocate. Your 100% right.. you cant fire the players, so you fire the coach and hope the next guy has a voice that gets through to these guys. Rinse wash repeat.fishmike wrote:nyk4ever wrote:how about he got a career year out of JR and despite a revolving door of injuries coach the Knicks to 54 wins. He took Melo out of a position he played his whole career, moved him to PF and he wins his first scoring title. Did everything happen last year inspite of Woody?fishmike wrote:playa2 wrote:Dan dummy, Chaney, Wilkins, I-say-uh, Damphony, Wilkins... you really think its the coach? You have to be kidding menyk4ever wrote:how long we gonna wait for woodson to get canned. nobody that comes in here is going to have a full deck to work with, but woodson is awful. i don't care about how many games he won in atlanta, they were a talented team. they clearly won in spite of him there and here last year. please, let's get a new voice in here. there isn't a chance in hell that a guy would stay, van gundy should have been here alot longer than he was but didn't want to be a corporate yes man. it's the same reason a guy like brad stevens is in boston and not here - 1. because dolan doesn't have the foresight to hire a guy like that that and 2. because a guy like that wouldn't come here even if he was offered more money. any young coach has to be thinking.. if this organization treats hof'ers like lenny wilkens and larry brown the way they did, how are they going to treat me? "OMG - did we just go on a two-trade-wining-streak?" -SupremeCommander
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knicks1248
Posts: 42059 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 2/3/2004 Member: #582 |
12/17/2013 9:31 AM
fishmike wrote:nyk4ever wrote:how about he got a career year out of JR and despite a revolving door of injuries coach the Knicks to 54 wins. He took Melo out of a position he played his whole career, moved him to PF and he wins his first scoring title. Did everything happen last year inspite of Woody?fishmike wrote:playa2 wrote:Dan dummy, Chaney, Wilkins, I-say-uh, Damphony, Wilkins... you really think its the coach? You have to be kidding menyk4ever wrote:how long we gonna wait for woodson to get canned. nobody that comes in here is going to have a full deck to work with, but woodson is awful. i don't care about how many games he won in atlanta, they were a talented team. they clearly won in spite of him there and here last year. please, let's get a new voice in here. This is straight bs, you want to give credit to the coach for what he did last yr and give him a pass this yr when he's clearly lost the team.. What kinda of nonsense is that. Please stop making excuses for this coach. Look at some of the asinine decisions in the final seconds of the numerous close games we lost. failing to foul up by 3 against Houston and Indiana yes we need a PG but the lack of direction and leadership falls on woodson and Melo everyday all day ES
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ShellTopAdidas
Posts: 20493 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 2/22/2012 Member: #3983 |
12/17/2013 9:43 AM
Get rid of MDA they said. Woodson is a MUCH better coach, they stressed! This what happens when you hire a Yes man that caters to certain players!
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